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Post by Randge on Jan 6, 2015 15:17:04 GMT -6
it's a strange thread almost without fail us pt guys "Yeah we know its not as good but its what we know". My hope is Avid go bust and some one else buys it and turns it into the DAW it should be. AAX 64 is the newest platform and build from scratch without any legacy problems. It has potential to be the best and most stable DAW. I have not had a single issue with PT11 but I also know Cubase is light years in front in terms of feature's and bang for buck. If a company did that, they would make it more like Cubase and you wouldn't "know it" anymore. Lol! R |
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Post by drbill on Jan 6, 2015 15:24:14 GMT -6
i'm still trying to figure out why dithering is unimportant? Keep at it and let me know when you figure it out Tony!  |
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Post by drbill on Jan 6, 2015 15:26:41 GMT -6
it's a strange thread almost without fail us pt guys "Yeah we know its not as good but its what we know". My hope is Avid go bust and some one else buys it and turns it into the DAW it should be. AAX 64 is the newest platform and build from scratch without any legacy problems. It has potential to be the best and most stable DAW. I have not had a single issue with PT11 but I also know Cubase is light years in front in terms of feature's and bang for buck. If a company did that, they would make it more like Cubase and you wouldn't "know it" anymore. Lol! R true. I also probably wouldn't want to use it. LOL |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 6, 2015 16:32:45 GMT -6
The very first thing I miss from pro tools is the smart tool. Being able to do everything without any key stroke is genius and I don't know why other daws don't implement it. I guess it's not a big deal to hit a key and change tools, but to me it's def slower. Takes and comping doesn't feel as logical in cubase to me. Now, that's just my opinion and could be one of those "I've used PTs so long" things. Also - I don't know where the hell everything is! Cubase uses the right click instead. It's pretty easy once you get a feel for it. |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 6, 2015 16:36:49 GMT -6
Why pay 11k for an 8x8 system when I can have just as much horsepower on a native system with a Symphony I/O and Cubase for 3500? I guess we're all just misinformed knuckleheads who don't know our butts from a hole in the ground..... But seriously - WHY indeed. Maybe there's something you haven't experienced with PT??? I don't know if your a knucklehead but your certainly an ass hole. And have been from the first condescending post I ever read of yours to this one. And yes, there is plenty I've missed with Pro Tools. But making good music isn't one of them. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 6, 2015 16:50:09 GMT -6
Ok ok boys. Let's play together nicely.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 6, 2015 17:20:18 GMT -6
The very first thing I miss from pro tools is the smart tool. Being able to do everything without any key stroke is genius and I don't know why other daws don't implement it. I guess it's not a big deal to hit a key and change tools, but to me it's def slower. Takes and comping doesn't feel as logical in cubase to me. Now, that's just my opinion and could be one of those "I've used PTs so long" things. Also - I don't know where the hell everything is! Cubase uses the right click instead. It's pretty easy once you get a feel for it. Ah. Need to enable my right click. |
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Post by drbill on Jan 6, 2015 18:13:20 GMT -6
I guess we're all just misinformed knuckleheads who don't know our butts from a hole in the ground..... But seriously - WHY indeed. Maybe there's something you haven't experienced with PT??? I don't know if your a knucklehead but your certainly an ass hole. And have been from the first condescending post I ever read of yours to this one. And yes, there is plenty I've missed with Pro Tools. But making good music isn't one of them. My comment was in earnest and not condescending at all - you're reading way to much into it. Like I said earlier in another post, you can make great music with ANY daw out there. Why is it people continue to buy PTHD/HDX at what is seemingly an extraordinary cost? (At least in comparison to Logic, Cubase or DP) There's GOTTA be a reason. Perhaps it's just lost on you - or it MIGHT be a reason thats not appropriate / applicable for you, but perhaps is appropriate for others. At any rate, aside from this group, there's a lot of people using it. BTW, I hope you have a happy new year. <thumbsup> |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 6, 2015 18:22:27 GMT -6
I think part of my protoolsaholic problem, is that I find it hard to walk away ,exactly cus I have spent so much friggin dough on pro tools, the upgrade is$199 a year, studio one of $3-400, cubase is $5-600; reaper free but it just gets confusing and you turn on your protools session and you feel home; help I am enabling my daw addiction  Hi my name is kcat and I'm a protools user : oh god,,, many times a day !! is there help ? |
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Post by RicFoxx on Jan 6, 2015 19:10:27 GMT -6
So I just watched a bunch of Cubase 8 videos and looks cool but very similar features as Logic X. Why would one choose Cubase over Logic X? By the way, I have PT 11 and it is unsupported with my avid Omni/Thunderbolt...can use it with every other DAW but not their own DAW...stupidest Sh!T I have ever encountered! I have it up for trade on the purple site.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 6, 2015 19:33:50 GMT -6
That's right, Omni won't work with Native will it? What a bunch of crooks.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 6, 2015 19:58:09 GMT -6
They just keep doing silly things like that. I don't get it.
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Post by donr on Jan 6, 2015 20:16:55 GMT -6
They just keep doing silly things like that. I don't get it. Avid at one time had a chokehold on the transition to computer video editing too. How's that work out? |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 6, 2015 20:30:04 GMT -6
RicFoxx thats a burn! they require PT11 HD right? I was ready to drop $5,700.00 on a brand new Avid 16x16 with the BLA mods, and i was told i needed to have PTHD which was an additional $1,500! I decided to spend that money on a pair of lynx AES16 pcie cards, and RM conversion for the same AD count and double the DA count, and what will surely be superior quality conversion that works great with PT11, and any other daw platform that comes down the pike, including Cubase lol 8) Is it ironic that the date of my conversion delivery is slated for April 1st, aka Avid fools day! "Fffooooooolllllss!!!!!" 
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Post by RicFoxx on Jan 6, 2015 20:39:21 GMT -6
RicFoxx thats a burn! they require PT11 HD right? I was ready to drop $5,700.00 on a brand new Avid 16x16 with the BLA mods, and i was told i needed to have PTHD which was an additional $1,500! I decided to spend that money on a pair of lynx AES16 pcie cards, and RM conversion for the same AD count and double the DA count, and what will surely be superior quality conversion that works great with PT11, and any other daw platform that comes down the pike, including Cubase lol 8) Is it ironic that the date of my conversion delivery is slated for April 1st, aka Avid fools day! "Fffooooooolllllss!!!!!" i've seen failing companies try to choke as much money as they can out of their loyal customers right before they tank! |
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Post by ericn on Jan 6, 2015 20:40:11 GMT -6
RicFoxx thats a burn! they require PT11 HD right? I was ready to drop $5,700.00 on a brand new Avid 16x16 with the BLA mods, and i was told i needed to have PTHD which was an additional $1,500! I decided to spend that money on a pair of lynx AES16 pcie cards, and RM conversion for the same AD count and double the DA count, and what will surely be superior quality conversion that works great with PT11, and any other daw platform that comes down the pike, including Cubase lol 8) Is it ironic that the date of my conversion delivery is slated for April 1st, aka Avid fools day! "Fffooooooolllllss!!!!!" Bro, I hope I pray RM makes his your money Drops Dead date ! |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 6, 2015 20:41:54 GMT -6
RicFoxx thats a burn! they require PT11 HD right? I was ready to drop $5,700.00 on a brand new Avid 16x16 with the BLA mods, and i was told i needed to have PTHD which was an additional $1,500! I decided to spend that money on a pair of lynx AES16 pcie cards, and RM conversion for the same AD count and double the DA count, and what will surely be superior quality conversion that works great with PT11, and any other daw platform that comes down the pike, including Cubase lol 8) Is it ironic that the date of my conversion delivery is slated for April 1st, aka Avid fools day! "Fffooooooolllllss!!!!!" i've seen failing companies try to choke as much money as they can out of their loyal customers right before they tank! I hope you're wrong, because as much as i hate the shit they pull, and they're indeed squeezing us, I'd hope they'd turn the corner on the BS, i do love the interface, and it does continue to improve imo. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 6, 2015 20:48:00 GMT -6
RicFoxx thats a burn! they require PT11 HD right? I was ready to drop $5,700.00 on a brand new Avid 16x16 with the BLA mods, and i was told i needed to have PTHD which was an additional $1,500! I decided to spend that money on a pair of lynx AES16 pcie cards, and RM conversion for the same AD count and double the DA count, and what will surely be superior quality conversion that works great with PT11, and any other daw platform that comes down the pike, including Cubase lol 8) Is it ironic that the date of my conversion delivery is slated for April 1st, aka Avid fools day! "Fffooooooolllllss!!!!!" Bro, I hope I pray RM makes his your money Drops Dead date ! lol, i was thinking that as i wrote "foooools", and that i hope it won't be me.....yet again lol! I'm confident in him on this, i've talked to him so many times now that he just couldn't miss it, that said, i told him that with the addition of the daughter cards and op amps, i'm fine if it takes a bit longer, he's said he plans on April 1st and he'll let me know if there are any snaggs. |
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Post by ericn on Jan 6, 2015 21:14:14 GMT -6
OK I will begin this post with some background, so you the reader can decide if I have a conflict or any bias. Within my first year at Full Compass it was decided that in addition to my responsibilities running in house retail local sales, and general problem solver I would be the designated and required Protools specialist as per our dealer agreement. This also made me the defacto DAW / MIDI / Video editing specialis. This meant that in the 90s I had every DAW and built systems using them all.
I consider a Few Avid Former VPs to be freinds, and one current rep was at my wedding reception.
My get well gift from Avid was my first PT24 rig.
I went from PT24 to Logic Pro Native to PT 10 softwaret to HD 8 on my own dime.
Like it or not Avid is a video company, and a pro video company at that. They are about integration and A for V is the 10 ton gorilla to Music's 80lbs weakling. More and more music is being used in video and AVID is the standard for Pro Video ( yes there was a short span where Apple dominated the lower Desk top market but they care more about IPhones and IPods and every major project done on FCS was Transfered on a AVID).
Getting out of the prosumer market is the best thing AVID ever did, they are a Pro Enterprise Company and are acting like one, while the $600 a year seams stiff for support ask any Buisness that is based around a software product what they pay a year for support! That $600 suddenly looks small!
AVid pretty much gave everybody what they wanted with Software/ HD Native / HDX 11, it just cost more than they hoped! But less in 2001 dollars than HD or in 1997 dollars than PT24!
Acids problem is simple HD rigs never stopped working and the Demand for 96/24 no less 192/24 never developed, so everybody who bought into HD has a rig that still works and realizes they might have been able to keep their PT24/MIX rig!
If you think AVID getting bought would improve PT think about this - IT'S AN EXPENSIVE VIDEO COMPANY! think about Sony and Panasonic in PRO Audio! For those who don't know the history, it ain't pretty! the only Audio Companies that could absorb AViID are Harmon, Behringer , Yamaha ( already owns Steinberg) .
The only company that I can see buying it and making it work would be SSL, but those who want affordable Avid would be disappointed .
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Post by ericn on Jan 6, 2015 21:17:08 GMT -6
Bro, I hope I pray RM makes his your money Drops Dead date ! lol, i was thinking that as i wrote "foooools", and that i hope it won't be me.....yet again lol! I'm confident in him on this, i've talked to him so many times now that he just couldn't miss it, that said, i told him that with the addition of the daughter cards and op amps, i'm fine if it takes a bit longer, he's said he plans on April 1st and he'll let me know if there are any snaggs. Just remember everytime you talk to him something else isn't shipping! My fear is he makes your date, but he fails to make 20 others dead lines! |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 6, 2015 21:42:57 GMT -6
lol, i was thinking that as i wrote "foooools", and that i hope it won't be me.....yet again lol! I'm confident in him on this, i've talked to him so many times now that he just couldn't miss it, that said, i told him that with the addition of the daughter cards and op amps, i'm fine if it takes a bit longer, he's said he plans on April 1st and he'll let me know if there are any snaggs. Just remember everytime you talk to him something else isn't shipping! My fear is he makes your date, but he fails to make 20 others dead lines! nahhh, you should read the main RM thread, he said the initial boom that he was bombarded with is mellowing, I certainly hope everyone who's in line before me gets their stuff first, it's only fair that way of course. lets get back OT |
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Post by swurveman on Jan 7, 2015 9:27:07 GMT -6
Why is it people continue to buy PTHD/HDX at what is seemingly an extraordinary cost? This is indeed the question. And the answer for most people is, "what does the extraordinary cost premium provide in sound quality"? After all, we're talking software, DSP in the audio interface and the conversion. I have invested $6,088.00 in two Aurora 16's and two RME AES 32 DSP cards. I paid $540.00 for PT 11 Native and $500.00 for Cubase 6. I paid $515.6 for the 4 cables that connect the Aurora 16 to the RME interfaces. So, that's $7,543.00 for the entire system that provides me with 32 inputs and outputs and works without a glitch. In my mind, Avid would have to explain precisely what their advantages are in DSP, drivers and conversion that demands such a premium. Some Avid users go the "if you can't hear it route", but other Avid users don't hear it and go for the option that gives them more for less money. I think if there weren't so many former Avid system users who have migrated away from Avid, the "if you can't hear it" selling strategy would be easier. But there are so many former Avid users who migrated that it isn't an easy sell to merely say "if you can't hear it". In my own shop my partner went from his PT8 HD to my system and has been satisfied. His other studio in England made the switch as well. So, it's a tough sell to merely say "if you can't hear it" and expect people to believe it, when there's so much evidence countering it. Avid would be much smarter imo explaining the difference in technical terms. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 7, 2015 9:38:56 GMT -6
RicFoxx thats a burn! they require PT11 HD right? I was ready to drop $5,700.00 on a brand new Avid 16x16 with the BLA mods, and i was told i needed to have PTHD which was an additional $1,500! I decided to spend that money on a pair of lynx AES16 pcie cards, and RM conversion for the same AD count and double the DA count, and what will surely be superior quality conversion that works great with PT11, and any other daw platform that comes down the pike, including Cubase lol 8) Is it ironic that the date of my conversion delivery is slated for April 1st, aka Avid fools day! "Fffooooooolllllss!!!!!" Bro, I hope I pray RM makes his your money Drops Dead date ! you dodged that bullet , plus now Avid wants you to pay another $599 usd annually to keep HD current ! i get that the big boys and girls can drop that dough; its chump change, but at least for me I add up the annual cost and say what else could I buy with that ? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 7, 2015 9:44:35 GMT -6
Cubasers... Randge - quick question after playing around last night. What the heck is the keyboard shortcut for bringing up the mix window? I used to have two monitors, but now have one big one. Is there a keyboard short cut ala "opt./=" in PT's? |
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Post by swurveman on Jan 7, 2015 9:58:28 GMT -6
Cubasers... Randge - quick question after playing around last night. What the heck is the keyboard shortcut for bringing up the mix window? I used to have two monitors, but now have one big one. Is there a keyboard short cut ala "opt./=" in PT's? Hit F3 |
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Hi my name is kcat and I'm a protools user : oh god,,, many times a day !! is there help ?
