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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 5, 2015 11:54:21 GMT -6
So - this is where I lose patience with all this transferring crap. Bosses don't use PT's. They go to a studio and track, in PT's. Have the files sent to them and forwarded to me to send to another PT's guy to mix. They cut vocals in DP. So - now, I have to waste my time with all the opening, burning down and lining up. Major PITA. Now they've decided they want to mix one of the songs by themselves in DP...so I get to bounce ever track down to a wav and send to them. I guess I can just use "Consolidate files", right? Don't have to bounce them...
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Post by Ward on Jan 5, 2015 12:06:44 GMT -6
ALWAYS edit and consolidate tracks before sending them on to someone else!! Nothing worse than gettin a session from another DAW that is in bits and pieces and trying to make it work. Hours of grief.
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Post by joey808 on Jan 5, 2015 19:02:11 GMT -6
Every time i try to move over to a new DAW theres 20 or more Protools features i miss.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 5, 2015 19:26:51 GMT -6
Every time i try to move over to a new DAW theres 20 or more Protools features i miss. Man - you said it. I was just wrapping up a session and about to send to my mixing guy...and was thinking about what a pain it would be to have to do the "let me send you these wavs" dance. Ugh. I'm afraid they have me by the balls. |
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Post by rbradford on Jan 5, 2015 19:31:50 GMT -6
Another Cubase fan here. The stock plugins rule, comping and editing is much less cumbersome in comparison to PT, and vari-audio is a totally rad feature! I recently made the switch from PT to Cubase, and I couldn't be happier!
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Post by Randge on Jan 5, 2015 19:47:27 GMT -6
Every time i try to move over to a new DAW theres 20 or more Protools features i miss. I am curious exactly what features would you miss, Joey. Cubase has considerably more features than any PT setup I have ever seen. John, you can burn down all files at once in Cubase anytime you need to lickety split. I am not trying to create an argument here, just genuinely curious as to your needs. R |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 5, 2015 19:50:24 GMT -6
Another Cubase fan here. Â The stock plugins rule, comping and editing is much less cumbersome in comparison to PT, and vari-audio is a totally rad feature! I recently made the switch from PT to Cubase, and I couldn't be happier! Welcome rbradford! |
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Post by joey808 on Jan 5, 2015 20:22:48 GMT -6
Every time i try to move over to a new DAW theres 20 or more Protools features i miss. I am curious exactly what features would you miss, Joey. Cubase has considerably more features than any PT setup I have ever seen. John, you can burn down all files at once in Cubase anytime you need to lickety split. I am not trying to create an argument here, just genuinely curious as to your needs. R Hi Randge, Its a workflow thing, too many to list. I will say i really dig Cubase 8! Plan on moving from Logic ProX to Cubase 8 for production needs. |
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Post by Randge on Jan 5, 2015 20:36:38 GMT -6
I admit to converting RBradford. As of Dec 10, he finished school and became my new assistant here at Slack Key.
R
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Post by Randge on Jan 5, 2015 20:41:09 GMT -6
Interesting, Joey, as I have found Cubase much faster at most tasks from editing and vocal tuning and timing, to grouping stereo and buss channels, channel batching, plugin insertion and much more. Things that speed up workflow for me and I am still on Cubase 7.5. I am just getting used to this Tango AV console and my workflow will radically increase some more. Most sessions I don't have players waiting on me or I am not doing my job right.
R
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Post by sozocaps on Jan 5, 2015 20:57:45 GMT -6
Cubase here too....
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Post by joey808 on Jan 5, 2015 21:13:13 GMT -6
Randge
What converters are you using on your system? Are you pc or Mac?
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Post by Randge on Jan 5, 2015 21:16:25 GMT -6
P.C. here. I use Apogee converters.
R
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Post by drbill on Jan 5, 2015 21:26:41 GMT -6
"So yeah, two programs can have amazingly different outcomes while doing seemingly the same things." Amazingly different, but still nulling down well over -100dB? |
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Post by drbill on Jan 5, 2015 21:28:04 GMT -6
I know its been radically improved, but my experiences with it in the past were very amateurish compared to PT. But at this point, who KNOWS what AVID will do next..... |
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Post by drbill on Jan 5, 2015 21:30:08 GMT -6
HD / HDX??? I've been using PT every day for close to 20 years now and have never calculated a hardware delay once. What a drag that must be... |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 5, 2015 21:45:23 GMT -6
The reason I use Cubase doesn't have anything to do with sound. I sum out anyway so it don't matter to me. But the workflow is soooo slick and intuitive. The editing is even better. Wham bam, done. I tried using PT's for about a year. Never did feel right even though I was getting pretty quick with it.
And then there's the native engine which absolutely sucks donkey balls. I CANNOT stand that damn "I'm sorry, I seem to have ran out of power for your 10 track session" message that pops up every other time I hit playback.
But to each their own. I get it.
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Post by Randge on Jan 5, 2015 22:10:12 GMT -6
I think you owe it to yourself to try it out, Dr. Bill. There is absolutely nothing amateurish about Cubase.
R
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 5, 2015 22:10:25 GMT -6
It's basically teaching old dogs new tricks...that's the problem. It might actually be a step quicker, but when you've been doing something for 10-15 years, sometimes different seems less intuitive. I think that's what is daunting for me...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 5, 2015 22:10:45 GMT -6
Cubase is basically Nuendo now, right?
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 5, 2015 22:13:41 GMT -6
The reason I use Cubase doesn't have anything to do with sound. I sum out anyway so it don't matter to me. But the workflow is soooo slick and intuitive. The editing is even better. Wham bam, done. I tried using PT's for about a year. Never did feel right even though I was getting pretty quick with it. And then there's the native engine which absolutely sucks donkey balls. I CANNOT stand that damn "I'm sorry, I seem to have ran out of power for your 10 track session" message that pops up every other time I hit playback. But to each there own. I get it. if you manipulate a single thing ITB, it should matter, the only way it doesn't is if all things remain untouched and equal, and the daw is used simply as a tape machine..., do you apply dither on every channel DA'd out and into your console? you should if you use a single plug, or move a single fader on said channel ITB. Lack of dither use is the leading cause of the dreaded digititus  There is a whole conversation about this here somewhere? Mr Bob Ohlsson and popman pretty much laid it out in un simple terms lol |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 5, 2015 22:20:07 GMT -6
Nah I don't dither every channel nor do I worry about it. If my stuff sounds "digitus", I can't hear it. Sounds ok to me. I figure it all ends up in the pot just like a good stew. Am I wrong in this thinking? Probably, but who gives a shit? It's just music.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 5, 2015 22:23:24 GMT -6
I would try it, but i'm an old PT dog, and i have a really hard time believing cubase, or any daw sounds better than another, i need to hear some good logical reasons why that could be the case before i invest time and money into exploring it, especially with PT11 being 64 bit. Avid actually claims 11 sounds better than all previous iterations, based on what? i have no idea? but i did hear one of their guns say this, and until i hear good logical reasons why, i don't believe him either. That said, a great console and tape machine kills the sound of any daw i've ever heard, so maybe they all sound bad lol 8)
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 5, 2015 22:26:30 GMT -6
Nah I don't dither every channel nor do I worry about it. If my stuff sounds "digitus", I can't hear it. Sounds ok to me. I figure it all ends up in the pot just like a good stew. Am I wrong in this thinking? Probably, but who gives a shit? It's just music. " It's about the easiest thing ever to try, all of about 10 seconds with a command button 8) I bet you'll hear a smoothness in the sibilance range that may not be there now? Be interesting to get your view after trying it. |
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Post by drbill on Jan 5, 2015 22:32:56 GMT -6
I think you owe it to yourself to try it out, Dr. Bill. There is absolutely nothing amateurish about Cubase. R I know it's been improved a lot in the last few years. I'm a ONE DAW guy though. I used to write in DP and mix in PT, but the workflow of switching back and forth between the two sucked so MUCH that I just switched to PT for writing too, and actually, I like it better than DP after coming up with some creative solutions. The benefits of working in ONE daw are so good for what I do that I can't imagine switching back and forth anymore. If AVID completely tanks, I may give nuendo/cubase a shot, but at this point, I'm a dyed in the wool PT fanatic. It can do so much that most casual users don't even know about. PLUS, I know it. :-) And that's as good a reason as any... |
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There is a whole conversation about this here somewhere? Mr Bob Ohlsson and popman pretty much laid it out in un simple terms lol