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Post by sozocaps on Dec 16, 2014 19:34:59 GMT -6
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 16, 2014 19:38:27 GMT -6
H to the Y! This is what we call "back with a vengeance" lol
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Post by svart on Dec 16, 2014 20:16:26 GMT -6
Nice builds, probably need to be in the diy section though..
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Post by sozocaps on Dec 16, 2014 20:20:00 GMT -6
Yea sorry agreed! Please move it admins!
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Post by Ward on Dec 16, 2014 21:08:43 GMT -6
How accurate is the Hairball kit to the real Bluestripe?
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Post by sozocaps on Dec 16, 2014 21:19:36 GMT -6
I was told scary close.... we will see!
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Post by Ward on Dec 16, 2014 21:21:07 GMT -6
I would love to see a 'scary close' to accurate LA2a clone kit!
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Post by svart on Dec 16, 2014 22:15:07 GMT -6
How accurate is the Hairball kit to the real Bluestripe? Pretty close. In terms of electrical design, it's identical. In terms of sound, it's pretty close based on hearing a real A rev blue stripe exactly one time in my life. Other than that, it's just as noisy as the real thing. I'd probably get another Rev D before getting another Rev A.
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 16, 2014 23:29:01 GMT -6
the biggest draw back about to clones(all of them but one) is the modern fets, the original fets sound way better, Mike at Serpent audio basically owns ALL the nos on those, he also makes by far the best sounding 1176 clone out there IMO. The hairball will still sound good though. Ask our missing friend littlesicily what he thinks of his Serpent(it's a version A/D in one unit?
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Post by yotonic on Dec 17, 2014 0:18:13 GMT -6
Had a Revision D it was the holy grail compressor for me.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 17, 2014 4:37:02 GMT -6
Ask our missing friend littlesicily what he thinks of his Serpent(it's a version A/D in one unit? You mean the ones he sold?
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Post by Ward on Dec 17, 2014 6:49:27 GMT -6
How accurate is the Hairball kit to the real Bluestripe? Pretty close. In terms of electrical design, it's identical. In terms of sound, it's pretty close based on hearing a real A rev blue stripe exactly one time in my life. Other than that, it's just as noisy as the real thing. I'd probably get another Rev D before getting another Rev A. Well, as many of you know, I have one of the (now unavailable) exact clones Bluestripe clones from Pro Replicas of Poland. And I have compared it to an original and have experience with originals. It is absolutely identical in all but two ways: 1. It's a more solid chassis build 2. It doesn't have as much noise for some reason But it sounds absolutely identical. And as far as Holy Grails are concerned, a Bluestripe is THE holy grail for vocal tracking. There's nothing else like it in an 1176 / FET / ultra quick response limiter. Rev Ds are also great but slightly different strengths/applications.
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Post by levon on Dec 17, 2014 7:03:36 GMT -6
Pretty close. In terms of electrical design, it's identical. In terms of sound, it's pretty close based on hearing a real A rev blue stripe exactly one time in my life. Other than that, it's just as noisy as the real thing. I'd probably get another Rev D before getting another Rev A. Well, as many of you know, I have one of the (now unavailable) exact clones Bluestripe clones from Pro Replicas of Poland. And I have compared it to an original and have experience with originals. It is absolutely identical in all but two ways: 1. It's a more solid chassis build 2. It doesn't have as much noise for some reason But it sounds absolutely identical. And as far as Holy Grails are concerned, a Bluestripe is THE holy grail for vocal tracking. There's nothing else like it in an 1176 / FET / ultra quick response limiter. Rev Ds are also great but slightly different strengths/applications. True, I have a Rev. D from Pro Replicas, great build and sound. Ward, why is the Bluestripe unavailable? Robert still builds those, even though it now says Pro Replicas on the faceplate instead of Urei. I'm thinking of getting one myself and your assessment of Robert's unit helps a lot, thanks.
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Post by svart on Dec 17, 2014 9:43:49 GMT -6
Pretty close. In terms of electrical design, it's identical. In terms of sound, it's pretty close based on hearing a real A rev blue stripe exactly one time in my life. Other than that, it's just as noisy as the real thing. I'd probably get another Rev D before getting another Rev A. Well, as many of you know, I have one of the (now unavailable) exact clones Bluestripe clones from Pro Replicas of Poland. And I have compared it to an original and have experience with originals. It is absolutely identical in all but two ways: 1. It's a more solid chassis build 2. It doesn't have as much noise for some reason But it sounds absolutely identical. And as far as Holy Grails are concerned, a Bluestripe is THE holy grail for vocal tracking. There's nothing else like it in an 1176 / FET / ultra quick response limiter. Rev Ds are also great but slightly different strengths/applications. A Rev A. does have a great grainy character, however the noise is nothing to ignore. A Rev D. is mostly the same except for a different input circuit. Less grainy character, but also about 15dB less hiss too! I'm not sure why people think that one clone is more exact than another.. it's all about the parts used. If you use the exact parts, then it's exactly the same. Hairball uses the same parts as the Proreplicas does, as anybody does (except maybe Warm). Besides, back when the Rev A. was made, parts had 20-50% tolerances, so no two boxes would sound identical..
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 17, 2014 10:02:23 GMT -6
Modem Fets are very low HFE, old school Fets are very high HFE, do they make a diff? I can't imagine they wouldn't.
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Post by svart on Dec 17, 2014 10:18:50 GMT -6
Modem Fets are very low HFE, old school Fets are very high HFE, do they make a diff? I can't imagine they wouldn't. HFE is an attribute of BJTs, not FETs. HFE is the small signal forward current gain of a BJT. Anyway, noise depends on the circuit and all it's various attributes. Feedback, gain, gain staging, all that stuff. The hairball kits came with sorted and matched JFETs though. JFETs can also have lower noise than BJTs in some instances since they have much lower flicker noise and bias currents.
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 17, 2014 10:25:28 GMT -6
Modem Fets are very low HFE, old school Fets are very high HFE, do they make a diff? I can't imagine they wouldn't. HFE is an attribute of BJTs, not FETs. HFE is the small signal forward current gain of a BJT. Anyway, noise depends on the circuit and all it's various attributes. Feedback, gain, gain staging, all that stuff. The hairball kits came with sorted and matched JFETs though. JFETs can also have lower noise than BJTs in some instances since they have much lower flicker noise and bias currents. What's he measuring test for Fets? I must be misremembering the terms I heard?
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Post by littlesicily on Dec 17, 2014 10:50:37 GMT -6
I got out of 500 series so the Splices are sold. They are great, as I've posted previously. The only clones I've used that could hang with the UREI's.
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Post by sozocaps on Dec 17, 2014 11:07:34 GMT -6
So what can I do to make these better? I don t need vintage exact but I don't want a new sound either...
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Post by svart on Dec 17, 2014 11:59:45 GMT -6
HFE is an attribute of BJTs, not FETs. HFE is the small signal forward current gain of a BJT. Anyway, noise depends on the circuit and all it's various attributes. Feedback, gain, gain staging, all that stuff. The hairball kits came with sorted and matched JFETs though. JFETs can also have lower noise than BJTs in some instances since they have much lower flicker noise and bias currents. What's he measuring test for Fets? I must be misremembering the terms I heard? The equivalent to Beta/HFE for JFETs is called Shockley's equation. It's the relationship between Vgs (gate-source turn on voltage) and Id (output current). It's non linear, unlike the BJT. However, since we aren't comparing input current to output currents, there isn't a direct relationship to be had, and thus no direct HFE equivalent. Matching JFETs is usually done by biasing the part and then swinging the gate voltage back and forth until you find the cutoff points. These points can vary wildly, sometimes up to 20% different. This is JFET curve tracing.
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Post by svart on Dec 17, 2014 12:00:27 GMT -6
So what can I do to make these better? I don t need vintage exact but I don't want a new sound either... There is nothing you need to do. They are plenty good as supplied from Hairball.
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Post by sozocaps on Dec 17, 2014 12:02:09 GMT -6
Cool thx! That's what I was basically planning.
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Post by sozocaps on Dec 17, 2014 13:44:05 GMT -6
Pretty close. In terms of electrical design, it's identical. In terms of sound, it's pretty close based on hearing a real A rev blue stripe exactly one time in my life. Other than that, it's just as noisy as the real thing. I'd probably get another Rev D before getting another Rev A. Well, as many of you know, I have one of the (now unavailable) exact clones Bluestripe clones from Pro Replicas of Poland. And I have compared it to an original and have experience with originals. It is absolutely identical in all but two ways: 1. It's a more solid chassis build 2. It doesn't have as much noise for some reason But it sounds absolutely identical. And as far as Holy Grails are concerned, a Bluestripe is THE holy grail for vocal tracking. There's nothing else like it in an 1176 / FET / ultra quick response limiter. Rev Ds are also great but slightly different strengths/applications. What do you like the Rev A on what do you like the Rev D on... ? I also have the stereo link boards so I can do bus applications for both the Rev A and Rev D
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Post by littlesicily on Dec 18, 2014 9:47:10 GMT -6
I recall dandeurloo mentioning one basic part replacement in the Hairball 1176 that smooths out the overly-bright factor.
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Post by Ward on Dec 19, 2014 7:35:32 GMT -6
Well, as many of you know, I have one of the (now unavailable) exact clones Bluestripe clones from Pro Replicas of Poland. And I have compared it to an original and have experience with originals. It is absolutely identical in all but two ways: 1. It's a more solid chassis build 2. It doesn't have as much noise for some reason But it sounds absolutely identical. And as far as Holy Grails are concerned, a Bluestripe is THE holy grail for vocal tracking. There's nothing else like it in an 1176 / FET / ultra quick response limiter. Rev Ds are also great but slightly different strengths/applications. What do you like the Rev A on what do you like the Rev D on... ? I also have the stereo link boards so I can do bus applications for both the Rev A and Rev D I like Rev D's on acoustic guitars (very little, just touching), mandolin, dobro (very much like on dobro) and on snare drums, although I slightly prefer a Rev F on most snare drums.
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