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Post by dandeurloo on Nov 13, 2014 13:07:40 GMT -6
I say get one to Jim to check out. Pure and clean is what I want out of a converter and Jim does that great! mrmiller any chance of making that happen? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 13:17:44 GMT -6
Tony, you're using Pro Tools Native right now right? You should be able to grab this and run it via USB right out of your Mac and into your console if I'm understanding correctly. Don't need anything else to interface it. I'm on PT 10 right now(11 soon with the gun to my head), but i'm not sure if i can with just the 24Ao dac? i'm working on finding out though, i'll let you know, the possibility is pretty exciting thinking i could achieve those OP counts for so cheap? Tony, this is exactly, what the specs say and Michael Miller confirmed. Plug into USB 2.0 or 3.0 port, install the software, and you are ready to feed 24 channels of high sample rate into the console with the 24Ao. I am glimpsing at this unit for the same purpose, console feed. Just waiting for arrival of the windows drivers and first experience reports on windows machines.... |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 13, 2014 13:20:53 GMT -6
I say get one to Jim to check out. Pure and clean is what I want out of a converter and Jim does that great! mrmiller any chance of making that happen? 1000 times yes! mrmiller , getting one of these units to Jim Williams for evaluation would go a long way to getting some of these units sold for your co, he's pretty much an audio electronics/ears guy guru legend in this business, if he said the 24Ao was good to go, i'd (again) rip my pocket pulling out the credit card! and MANY would also follow suite 8) BTW, i just called Motu to discuss with anyone the ins and outs(pun intended) of my set up in an effort to see if i can integrate this, the woman who answered the phone said they cant talk right now, they are EVACUATING the building!!! WTH? I hope every one is ok?  |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 13, 2014 13:23:02 GMT -6
I'm on PT 10 right now(11 soon with the gun to my head), but i'm not sure if i can with just the 24Ao dac? i'm working on finding out though, i'll let you know, the possibility is pretty exciting thinking i could achieve those OP counts for so cheap? Tony, this is exactly, what the specs say and Michael Miller confirmed. Plug into USB 2.0 or 3.0 port, install the software, and you are ready to feed 24 channels of high sample rate into the console with the 24Ao. I am glimpsing at this unit for the same purpose, console feed. Just waiting for arrival of the windows drivers and first experience reports on windows machines.... i've got to see if someone local stocks the 24Ao...., i gotta also see if i have enough room on a card or 2 right now...8) |
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Post by RicFoxx on Nov 13, 2014 13:52:14 GMT -6
tonycamphd if you have a native card you can pick up a avid 16X16 from alto music for $1999. Sounds great.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 14:17:02 GMT -6
If Jim Williams give a Thumb up to this unit i'm buying one.
I'm on a market for a unit like that.<script type="text/javascript" src="safari-extension://com.ebay.safari.myebaymanager-QYHMMGCMJR/4553e414/background/helpers/prefilterHelper.js"></script>
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Post by dandeurloo on Nov 14, 2014 7:41:22 GMT -6
Also, can two if them daisy chain for a total of 48 outputs?
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Post by mrmiller on Nov 14, 2014 9:55:19 GMT -6
BTW, i just called Motu to discuss with anyone the ins and outs(pun intended) of my set up in an effort to see if i can integrate this, the woman who answered the phone said they cant talk right now, they are EVACUATING the building!!! WTH? I hope every one is ok? Whoa! I'm not sure who that was but there was no evacuation and everyone was fine. I checked with everyone and no one had any recollection of saying anything like that. Do you still have the number you dialed saved in your phone (should start with area code 617)? Also, can two if them daisy chain for a total of 48 outputs? Yup, and in a couple different ways. If you still only need 24 outputs over USB, either because you're mirroring outputs or you're creating submixes using the internal 48-channel mixer, you can slave box B to box A using either ADAT or AVB networking (which allows up to 128 channels in either direction, among other things). If you need all 48 channels running a Mac with Yosemite, you can connect directly using AVB over ethernet and then slave the second box with ADAT. Finally, if you added in an AVB-capable switch* such as MOTU's AVB Switch, you could connect your computer and both interfaces via AVB with cable runs up to 100 meters and have them all talking. Lastly, a Thunderbolt interface would also get you 128 channels in either direction, so you could slave the two 24Aos to the TB interface via a combination of ADAT and AVB. * AVB requires supported network hardware due to its sub-2ms across 7 hops guarantee. Every participant in the network, including the switches, needs to be much faster than traditional consumer gear. You can't establish an AVB network using your standard Netgear switch yet. It should become a more common switch feature as more devices enter the market. Modern Apple computers tend to have AVB-capable network cards. Devices must also conform to the AVB spec by including: - Packet prioritization, so browsing Facebook never gets in the way of your realtime audio; - Bandwidth reservation, so if you have network capacity to connect a stream, it will stay connected; - And a high-precision clock to timestamp packets. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 14, 2014 10:01:57 GMT -6
mrmiller glad all is good, the number was 617-576-2760
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Post by mrmiller on Nov 14, 2014 10:06:24 GMT -6
mrmiller glad all is good, the number was 617-576-2760 Huh, very strange. I'll keep asking around. Sorry for worrying you! I'd give tech support a try: 617-576-3066. |
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Post by dandeurloo on Nov 21, 2014 14:47:46 GMT -6
Mrmiller do you know what voltages the rails run on in the units?
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Post by mrmiller on Nov 24, 2014 13:05:22 GMT -6
Mrmiller do you know what voltages the rails run on in the units? We're using 9V rails. Out of curiosity, why do you ask? |
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Post by dandeurloo on Nov 24, 2014 13:50:54 GMT -6
Because I know you can typically get more headroom out of higher voltage rails.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 24, 2014 14:02:53 GMT -6
Mrmiller do you know what voltages the rails run on in the units? We're using 9V rails. Out of curiosity, why do you ask? Thanx Mrmiller, yes what dan said, i'd be interested to know a bit more about the PSU as well, i'd really be interested to see a picture of the guts of this thing 8) (a few of us fancy ourselves as audio electronics enthusiasts, you can tell a lot looking under the hood... actually a couple guys around here are quite a lot more than that 8) Btw, someone i very much trust ordered one of your Ao24's, should be hearing about what they're hearing very soon, with a positive review i will be into 2 of these by spring at the latest 8) |
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Post by mrmiller on Nov 24, 2014 14:13:09 GMT -6
Thanx Mrmiller, yes what dan said, i'd be interested to know a bit more about the PSU as well, i'd really be interested to see a picture of the guts of this thing 8) (a few of us fancy ourselves as audio electronics enthusiasts, you can tell a lot looking under the hood... actually a couple guys around here are quite a lot more than that 8) Btw, someone i very much trust ordered one of your Ao24's, should be hearing about what they're hearing very soon, with a positive review i will be into 2 of these by spring at the latest 8) Well, I'm looking forward to what he or she has to say as well! I don't have a picture on hand but you should open up your friend's and look around if you're curious. I'm happy to answer any questions that might arise. |
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Post by KJ on Nov 24, 2014 22:11:57 GMT -6
We're using 9V rails. Out of curiosity, why do you ask? Thanx Mrmiller, yes what dan said, i'd be interested to know a bit more about the PSU as well, i'd really be interested to see a picture of the guts of this thing 8) (a few of us fancy ourselves as audio electronics enthusiasts, you can tell a lot looking under the hood... actually a couple guys around here are quite a lot more than that 8) Btw, someone i very much trust ordered one of your Ao24's, should be hearing about what they're hearing very soon, with a positive review i will be into 2 of these by spring at the latest 8) Very curious!!! Please share with us when you have a review from your trusty source. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 24, 2014 23:17:44 GMT -6
Thanx Mrmiller, yes what dan said, i'd be interested to know a bit more about the PSU as well, i'd really be interested to see a picture of the guts of this thing 8) (a few of us fancy ourselves as audio electronics enthusiasts, you can tell a lot looking under the hood... actually a couple guys around here are quite a lot more than that 8) Btw, someone i very much trust ordered one of your Ao24's, should be hearing about what they're hearing very soon, with a positive review i will be into 2 of these by spring at the latest 8) Very curious!!! Please share with us when you have a review from your trusty source. yes KJ as soon as i hear, i will let ya'll know, i hope it's beefy as hell! we'll see. |
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Post by KJ on Jan 28, 2015 6:57:14 GMT -6
BUMP. Anyone know anyone who knows anyone using it?
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Post by brucerothwell on Jan 28, 2015 9:50:00 GMT -6
...I can't see how they didn't take a peak under the hood of the symphony when building this thing... Is that like saying no one can design a good product without copying someone else's work? Does that mean we should find out what product Apogee took a peek at when they designed the Symphony? ;-) |
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Post by brucerothwell on Jan 28, 2015 10:00:05 GMT -6
curious, have you heard a BLA FM192 vs a stock Digi192? --- soapbox mode ON --- I posted a thread over on GS month or so ago, asking if anyone knew of any BLA vs stock audio comparisons... no response. Is it because no one wants to post the comparison results because they are too suble to justify the expense? I see many comments about how much better the modded versions are, but I've never heard any comparisons. Because of that, I have four MOTU 1224's packed and ready to ship today to a new owner -- because I cannot justify the expense of paying $500 per for a BLA mod (or even $300 for a Revive Audio mod) without knowing what improvements I'll get back. You think that BLA would do their own comparison files, and post them on their site, as a marketing tool?! (If they do, I am unaware of it) --- soapbox mode OFF --- |
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Post by brucerothwell on Jan 28, 2015 10:07:15 GMT -6
mrmiller... can the new interfaces do internal summing like the Metric Halo stuff? If so, is it 80bit?
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Post by deehope on Jan 28, 2015 12:06:29 GMT -6
No. It's because I've never seen 2 converters nearly null or test as closely as these did in the converter shootout. ...I can't see how they didn't take a peak under the hood of the symphony when building this thing... Is that like saying no one can design a good product without copying someone else's work? Does that mean we should find out what product Apogee took a peek at when they designed the Symphony? ;-) |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 28, 2015 13:05:36 GMT -6
--- soapbox mode ON --- I posted a thread over on GS month or so ago, asking if anyone knew of any BLA vs stock audio comparisons... no response. Is it because no one wants to post the comparison results because they are too suble to justify the expense? I see many comments about how much better the modded versions are, but I've never heard any comparisons. Because of that, I have four MOTU 1224's packed and ready to ship today to a new owner -- because I cannot justify the expense of paying $500 per for a BLA mod (or even $300 for a Revive Audio mod) without knowing what improvements I'll get back. You think that BLA would do their own comparison files, and post them on their site, as a marketing tool?! (If they do, I am unaware of it) --- soapbox mode OFF --- internet comparisons are generally useless ime. Just do 1 and see what you get, I'll eat my hat if you're not impressed. I shot out my FM clocked 002 against some big wig converters and they lost handily. I have files you can hear, but they're useless as they are out of your control. Investing in one unit being modded against a stock unit(which you'll have both?), you can compare all day long. I fancy myself a bit of a diy guy, so i know just enough to get myself into trouble, when i opened my 002 for comparison to what it looked like before I sent it in, they did a TON of work inside, the PSU and clocking area were the most obvious changes, all the chinese caps were replaced with audio nichons and such, decoupling work, opamps blah blah. The aft mod sound diff on the 002 was absurd to my ears, seriously it went from ready to trash to protect at all costs! I'm speaking of the 002, i cannot speak to other mods since i don't have them. I would say you should try to find a complaint by someone who's had mods done by them, my guess is you will be challenged to find but a few that are not completely satisfied(my guess is the naysayers are FOS?) I believe kcatthedog has apollo mods, maybe he can speak to the changes? Also, dandeurloo is a guy I very, very much trust with his opinion, he's steered me toward many winning pieces, he's got those ears that hear inside a piece of gear, BLA used his motu Ao24 for the prototyping, i have not heard it yet, maybe he can speak to it? Most importantly, don't listen to anyone who would be asinine enough to speak to something they don't have/never tried? they are foolishly talking out of their asses IMO. good luck. BTW, i almost dropped over $11k on a pair of BLA modded Avid 16x16's, but Avid blew the sale with their "you gotta pay another $2k for HD software because these won't work with regular PT11" talk about asinine... |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jan 28, 2015 13:22:01 GMT -6
My question would be how is the performance running unbalanced? That's where a lot of converters fall over.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 28, 2015 13:30:37 GMT -6
I do find my blapollo clearer and appreciate the diifferences of the mod. There are clips at gearautopsy,com and cat5 and IAJG are both up on RealGear online At the time of my mod bla also offered the microclock mkii at 50% which in effect reduced the mod price down roughly $300 usd, plus 15% off Most people who complain about bla mods I think have never had them done  |
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