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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 3, 2014 12:51:31 GMT -6
They always have sales that are enticing, but which ones are actually really good in today's sea of plugins? The Maxxbass seems pretty cool for doing some missing fundamental tricks that svart mentions a lot. Is it any good? Worth $50 to have in my back pocket? How about the H-eq? It seems like you can do API and Neve curves among others, but without the saturation of the true emulations. You guys dig this one? API bundle can be scored for $150 right now. That's pretty tempting after selling my 2500, but when I ran a quick demo on the bundle, I didn't care for the stacked knobs with a mouse workflow. Perhaps my money would be better spent on the new IK API emulations? Anything else worth looking at? Either on sale now or worth watching for a sale? |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Nov 3, 2014 12:57:54 GMT -6
H-Eq has saturation settings too.
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Post by svart on Nov 3, 2014 12:58:34 GMT -6
Yeah, maxxbass or Renaissance bass (they do mostly the same thing but Rbass does a little more of it with less GUI in the plugin).
Also, a limiter of some kind. L1-L3. I have the L1 and I find it to be a workhorse on background stuff that I need heavily compressed but not overly colored.
Waves licensing is a pain though. I use the native VST versions with a USB stick turned into a waves dongle. It seems every damn time I use the license program to add a license to my dongle, the dongle loses the licenses it had before. It's quite the pain in the ass.
I'm seriously thinking about getting the "vocal" pack, simply because it's 149$ and comes with their 400$ autotune plug..
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Post by warren on Nov 3, 2014 16:06:00 GMT -6
Hmm L2, Renaissance stuff, and because I'm lazy vocal rider  |
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Post by popmann on Nov 3, 2014 16:28:43 GMT -6
They do really well with their analog modeled stuff, IMO/E. I have very little use for any of their old plug ins that pretty well were made because DAW plugs sucked 15 years ago....the upsampling double precision mastering stuff would be the first time Waves made anything I cared to buy. The analog stuff followed pretty closely.
I will say that, while I know this is "uncool"---their stupid signature CPU sucking plugs like "CLA Drums" and such have GOT to be useful to someone who doesn't know how to engineer. I mean--they are an attempt to chain a whole bunch of processes into one sldier with BS musician names like "punch"....I demo'd them and thought they did those pretty well. I didn't have a need, since I know how to do what they're doing with a fraction of the CPU....but, for some guy who doesn't have any idea what they're doing, having an "air" slider on a vocal plug....I think it's all a good idea since so many people are thinking they're going to engineer themselves. To play devil's advocate....why should you CARE how or why it's doing anything? Right? You just want more "air" in your vocal. Ha.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 3, 2014 16:51:15 GMT -6
The CLA Drums and Bass plugs are awesome. Sometimes, nothing in the box beats them for kick and bass.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 3, 2014 17:09:54 GMT -6
My 2 cents, i dig the Maxx/renaissance bass for somethings, the early reflections on the Renaissance reverb is really useful to me(the verb is not), i like the H processors pretty much, and vocal/bass rider are cool(bass rider needs to write the automation though), and tune has been great for helping me with my singing(meaning i'm learning my tendencies from messing with it, which makes it awesome!) I have the Platinum bundle, i really hardly use it. I used to use the Linear phase eq a lot, now the FF rules for me there. Compared to the FF stuff, the waves stuff seems complicated and in my way.
oh, the analog noise generators are the stupidest things EVER! 8)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 17:18:09 GMT -6
Gold, API and CLA compressors. Basic workhorse stuff.
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Post by wiz on Nov 3, 2014 17:18:21 GMT -6
bass rider and vocal rider.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 3, 2014 20:10:15 GMT -6
Yeah, maxxbass or Renaissance bass (they do mostly the same thing but Rbass does a little more of it with less GUI in the plugin). Also, a limiter of some kind. L1-L3. I have the L1 and I find it to be a workhorse on background stuff that I need heavily compressed but not overly colored. Waves licensing is a pain though. I use the native VST versions with a USB stick turned into a waves dongle. It seems every damn time I use the license program to add a license to my dongle, the dongle loses the licenses it had before. It's quite the pain in the ass. I'm seriously thinking about getting the "vocal" pack, simply because it's 149$ and comes with their 400$ autotune plug.. Do you think rbass is better than maxxbass? |
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Post by svart on Nov 3, 2014 21:50:48 GMT -6
Yeah, maxxbass or Renaissance bass (they do mostly the same thing but Rbass does a little more of it with less GUI in the plugin). Also, a limiter of some kind. L1-L3. I have the L1 and I find it to be a workhorse on background stuff that I need heavily compressed but not overly colored. Waves licensing is a pain though. I use the native VST versions with a USB stick turned into a waves dongle. It seems every damn time I use the license program to add a license to my dongle, the dongle loses the licenses it had before. It's quite the pain in the ass. I'm seriously thinking about getting the "vocal" pack, simply because it's 149$ and comes with their 400$ autotune plug.. Do you think rbass is better than maxxbass? Rbass is supposed to be the newer version of maxxbass. Youtube vids seem to show that they do roughly the same thing with Rbass doing slightly more effect.. So I think they will give you about the same results with some adjustment. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 3, 2014 22:00:28 GMT -6
Do you think rbass is better than maxxbass? Rbass is supposed to be the newer version of maxxbass. Youtube vids seem to show that they do roughly the same thing with Rbass doing slightly more effect.. So I think they will give you about the same results with some adjustment. Maybe I'll wait and grab the ren pack when the price drops lower. I'm pretty sure the ren pack was $99 for black Friday last year. Maybe we'll see that again this year. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2014 1:33:42 GMT -6
For those who are tempted to pull the trigger on the Waves L1 for whatever reason, try www.yohng.com/software/w1limit.htmland save your bucks. It does the same, pretty exactly the same, for free. That said, i use it *very* rarely. But on some occasion, the L1/W1 is just right. |
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Post by popmann on Nov 4, 2014 14:03:44 GMT -6
I am amazed how many of you are using these antiques. I remember when I made the last studio reconfig, I tested all these circa 2000 plug ins...these are LITERALLY the plug ins that everyone hates enough to turn back to hardware.
The original Mastering Bundle was the first thing I thought they did that didn't suck ass. Oversampling LP EQ....the L2....then, their analog models are quite accurate. If you don't think they are, you've not used the originals right next to them. We could debate utter nuances....and lots of others have been made to sound BETTER....because those classic pieces aren't as hiFi as some assume they were. IME/O.
I think Kramer MPX is the most consistently used here....I'd like to pick up the Abbey Road bundle--demo'd that and it sounded really nice. I wish they'd update MPX to have a "aux mode" like the Abbey road tape--to use as a tape delay. MPX sounds nicer but has to be as an insert....limiting it's use that way.
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Post by wiz on Nov 4, 2014 17:52:49 GMT -6
I also got and used the new TG12345
its cool
cheers
Wiz
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 5, 2014 7:05:41 GMT -6
Waves Center worth $29? On sale today only.
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Post by mjheck on Nov 5, 2014 8:52:10 GMT -6
I find the Renaissance Vox fairly unique, in its ability to provide major squish without getting essy -
that plug seems to always find its way into a mix.
MJH
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Post by ben on Nov 5, 2014 14:36:12 GMT -6
Waves Center worth $29? On sale today only. Yes, totally worth $29. Helps get stuff out of the middle of the mix. I was just going to post about this. |
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 5, 2014 14:44:11 GMT -6
Can't you do the same thing with something like FF Pro-Q? Use it in M/S mode and reduce the gain on the middle?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 14:49:50 GMT -6
The SSL stuff is great, can't work without it, The API 2500 doesn't do it for me but the 560 and 550 eqs are sweet, I'll pick those up on Black Friday though, the new TG12345 doesn't do it for me nor does NLS (anyone want to trade?). CLA bundle and SSL are the must haves of their stuff though for me.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 5, 2014 14:55:47 GMT -6
The SSL stuff is great, can't work without it, The API 2500 doesn't do it for me but the 560 and 550 eqs are sweet, I'll pick those up on Black Friday though, the new TG12345 doesn't do it for me nor does NLS (anyone want to trade?). CLA bundle and SSL are the must haves of their stuff though for me. I have the CLA pack and the IK SSL, so I'm covered on those. |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 5, 2014 14:57:17 GMT -6
All the Waves stuff I've tried is really good. I use L1 most of any of them, usually on the end of a strop to finalize peaks, easpeacially on vocals. I also use the SSL G channel a lot. Been known to use the Pie compressor on groups.
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Post by LesC on Nov 5, 2014 15:01:07 GMT -6
The SSL stuff is great, can't work without it, The API 2500 doesn't do it for me but the 560 and 550 eqs are sweet, I'll pick those up on Black Friday though, the new TG12345 doesn't do it for me nor does NLS (anyone want to trade?). CLA bundle and SSL are the must haves of their stuff though for me. Jordan, I'm curious if you mean the CLA Signature Series bundle or the CLA Classic Compressors bundle? |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Nov 5, 2014 16:47:31 GMT -6
Center is not a regular M/S process.
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Post by ben on Nov 5, 2014 17:43:06 GMT -6
Can't you do the same thing with something like FF Pro-Q? Use it in M/S mode and reduce the gain on the middle? Maybe, but Center is simpler and $29 today. |
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