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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 7, 2014 20:56:11 GMT -6
I would be remiss not to mention the CAPI Heider...seriously - eons of headroom and punchy as shit.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 7, 2014 20:57:55 GMT -6
Never tried a vintage Helios...love to...I've heard people say they're amazing and then heard people say, "meh..."
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Post by lolo on Oct 7, 2014 21:10:17 GMT -6
RTZ 9762/9762A for me. I went over to Gary Paczosa's a few weeks back and we put them up against his Mastering Lab preamps that he favors. For Dobro and my vocal, I much preferred the RTZ. Gary was very surprised and you can ask him his opinion when you see him. You guys gotta try them. Short of those, there is a tie for second. Some voices really work with the Edwards LE-10 preamp. I also like my pair of V-72 Telefunkens. I have compared them to 4 other pairs and mine are still the best 72's I have ever heard. I have no idea why they sound better, but i am glad I own them. R Randy, are the RTZ pre's Neve inspired? |
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Post by popmann on Oct 7, 2014 21:30:25 GMT -6
The one you plug the great mic into. I really don't care a lot what preamp unless there's an issue with the mic....87AI is way too hard, so combining it with a Great River is a thing of beauty....Sm7b is a little too "2d", so putting it into an LA610 gives it a nice dimension. TLM193 was too upper mid shy--so, a cheap mic pre and a ART DIO (ADC w/tube drive knob) added enough sizzle to sound better than the same mic into "better" chains, which bordered on unusable. So, I suppose combinations can be important. But, if the mic is a good match--just give it to me clean, thank you.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Oct 7, 2014 22:02:24 GMT -6
The one you plug the great mic into. I really don't care a lot what preamp unless there's an issue with the mic....87AI is way too hard, so combining it with a Great River is a thing of beauty....Sm7b is a little too "2d", so putting it into an LA610 gives it a nice dimension. TLM193 was too upper mid shy--so, a cheap mic pre and a ART DIO (ADC w/tube drive knob) added enough sizzle to sound better than the same mic into "better" chains, which bordered on unusable. So, I suppose combinations can be important. But, if the mic is a good match--just give it to me clean, thank you. This probably true. I've found it impossible to make this 67 sound bad no matter what I plug it into. It prefers cleaner pre's (or settings). I find most modern tube LDC pair up perfectly with Neve flavors though. |
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Post by Randge on Oct 8, 2014 1:36:11 GMT -6
The RTZ's are Neve 1073 inspired, but they don't have that veiled sound. They are clear but not harsh. Fantastic preamps. Their DI, built into the pre, can stack up against about anything and still hang as well. They have that bottom end tight thing going on that Neve fans love without their top end murk that has to be shelved away. Their eq's, working in conjunction with their preamps, make me very happy. Russ Long did a review of the 1549 eq's for Mix Magazine that should be coming out in the next issue (Nov) as well. He has since used my full rack several times and loves it. I don't own any of the Heiders just yet, but intend to get a pair at some point. They have their own thing going on and it is wonderful as well. They sound way different sound than the RTZ, but just as high quality in their voice. It is hard for me to buy more preamps when there are over 70 here of various kinds and I need a few more of the eq's and single slot compressors first. I have a pair of VP-26's already for a bit of API sound.
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Post by Randge on Oct 8, 2014 1:39:57 GMT -6
I invited Bob Starr of RTZ to join the conversation here.
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Post by Ward on Oct 8, 2014 6:04:28 GMT -6
The RTZ's are Neve 1073 inspired, but they don't have that veiled sound. That's an interesting way of putting it. I tend to think of it as 'choked' at times, but 'veiled' is a good word for it. Sort of like the 'mask' on the sound of a U47. So if we all used a U47 through a 1073, we'd be in hiding... like wearing a burqa or such! |
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Post by rtzbob on Oct 8, 2014 6:50:04 GMT -6
Hi Randy, Ward,
Russ' review on the PEQ will be in Pro Audio Review soon, not sure which issue. Barry Rudolph did the review for Mix which may be out next month, but not certain. No reviews out on the 9762A yet, we've just finalized this design and slowly ramping up to start building these (capital is always a problem).
The very first 9762A production units are just starting to trickle out. Unfortunately, many of our part suppliers are giving us huge lead times on part orders and this is affecting all product builds. Pepper's Pro Shop in Nashville has a couple of 9762A units available in Nashville at the moment. Could be long lead times on any orders till we're able to get things rolling.
Thanks!
Bob
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Post by matt on Oct 8, 2014 7:19:22 GMT -6
Welcome Bob!
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Post by sopwith on Oct 8, 2014 14:10:25 GMT -6
Welcome Bob! Your pre's and EQs look fantastic. And, I'd just like to say that this forum is amazing.
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Post by yotonic on Oct 8, 2014 16:53:14 GMT -6
"Vintage Neve 1073's..." LOL!! That's the truth. I use one at home so that I don't have to use converters or really any other expensive gear. And then I just retrack at the studio. You don't have to pay attention to mic position, turning on compressors etc. Just hit play and dabble away. And you can use an SM58... LOL This is just acoustic piano and a vintage 1073 with an SM58  (sorry for the the painful pitch) SM58.mp3 (482.64 KB) |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 8, 2014 17:12:33 GMT -6
Pretty snazzy yotonic, I like that.
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Post by wiz on Oct 8, 2014 17:26:40 GMT -6
great voice yotonic, and that ..... is 95% of the battle.
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Post by drbill on Oct 8, 2014 18:39:38 GMT -6
So, what is the best micpre you've found for vocals.
ALWAYS the one I don't own. After I own them, they're no longer the best..... |
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Post by Guitar on Oct 8, 2014 18:58:27 GMT -6
Gotta say, I've been using a lot of SM58 lately myself. It just WORKS! M88TG is a fancier alternative, but they pop easily. Maybe I just need a chunky wind foam.
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Post by Ward on Oct 8, 2014 19:01:56 GMT -6
yotonic your voice would sound great with any microphone, obviously, if it sounds that fantastic with a 58!
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Post by adogg4629 on Oct 8, 2014 19:08:29 GMT -6
I mainly use pres for foley, so anything clean, quiet with a lot of gain.
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Post by ericn on Oct 8, 2014 19:46:21 GMT -6
Hi Randy, Ward, Russ' review on the PEQ will be in Pro Audio Review soon, not sure which issue. Barry Rudolph did the review for Mix which may be out next month, but not certain. No reviews out on the 9762A yet, we've just finalized this design and slowly ramping up to start building these (capital is always a problem). The very first 9762A production units are just starting to trickle out. Unfortunately, many of our part suppliers are giving us huge lead times on part orders and this is affecting all product builds. Pepper's Pro Shop in Nashville has a couple of 9762A units available in Nashville at the moment. Could be long lead times on any orders till we're able to get things rolling. Thanks! Bob Bob, the EQ sounds like its what I have been looking for in a general purpose workhorse EQ, was thinking Daking with the price reduction but the filters are mameing yours a must try! My fear is I'm going to want a bunch! |
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Post by yotonic on Oct 8, 2014 20:56:55 GMT -6
Gotta say, I've been using a lot of SM58 lately myself. It just WORKS! M88TG is a fancier alternative, but they pop easily. Maybe I just need a chunky wind foam. Yeah the SM58 actually has a great frequency response curve, I find it "fairly similar" to a 47 in that the low mids are full and rootsy, and it's a sound listeners are familiar with. But the capsule is hyped and buzzy in comparison to a good LDC. |
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Post by Guitar on Oct 8, 2014 21:38:08 GMT -6
Gotta say, I've been using a lot of SM58 lately myself. It just WORKS! M88TG is a fancier alternative, but they pop easily. Maybe I just need a chunky wind foam. Yeah the SM58 actually has a great frequency response curve, I find it "fairly similar" to a 47 in that the low mids are full and rootsy, and it's a sound listeners are familiar with. But the capsule is hyped and buzzy in comparison to a good LDC. That's funny, my other main vocal mic is a Peluso 2247 SE. I just had the same observation, "my, this 58 responds fairly similar, but it's a bit ratty and needs a little presence shelf." It's like the fast-food version of a 47, which is totally cool with me. |
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Post by yotonic on Oct 10, 2014 16:39:06 GMT -6
I was going to see if Jim Williams could mod my SM58 with an M7 capsule a BV8 tranny, a 47 circuit design and a power supply....
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Post by RicFoxx on Dec 10, 2014 6:10:46 GMT -6
I was going to see if Jim Williams could mod my SM58 with an M7 capsule a BV8 tranny, a 47 circuit design and a power supply.... haha |
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Post by jimwilliams on Dec 10, 2014 9:54:31 GMT -6
Just about anything I have here will work fine for a vocal track, it's not as important as what's in front of that mic. The better the talent, the less it matters. Unless there is some form of error like excessive esses any of them will reproduce the voice just fine. Mic selection is more important to match well with a voice than the mic preamp.
I design and build most of them I use, from tube stuff to transformer/discrete opamp to current feedback transformerless designs.
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Post by category5 on Dec 10, 2014 11:53:09 GMT -6
Best I've ever heard was the Boulder Mic Amp, which is similar (same) as John Hardy's twin servo. I now have SCA J99s and they are the same kind of awesome.
Herbie has a LaChapelle that I think I would fall in love with.
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