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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Feb 1, 2018 19:25:12 GMT -6
If your thinking Amphion 18's do give the ATC SCM20 and Quested H108 passives a listen as well, while neither will work as well as the Amphions in a small realativly untreated room like John's, that what a wave guide can do! The low Distortion of the ATC's or the realativly low Distortion and ability to go lower of the Quested Volt 8 is very different from that of the Amphion. Though load differently 2 of those Same model Volts had my neighbor searching for the sub here on Monday because he couldn't believe "the 2 little 8's per side killed his 12in sub & with only 50 watts" running the little Quested amp because somebody offered me way to much for my JW modded GFA555, time to buy another one have Jim Mod it and have some cash, plus a freind is impressing his Audiofile boss with the Krell this weekend! I would try the ATC, but over here they are a few thousand more than the Amphions. I missed out on a second hand pair of Quested H108 a few years ago. They aren't available new here ether although the higher end Quested are stocked. I agree Volts do make nice speakers.
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Post by ericn on Feb 1, 2018 19:48:53 GMT -6
If your thinking Amphion 18's do give the ATC SCM20 and Quested H108 passives a listen as well, while neither will work as well as the Amphions in a small realativly untreated room like John's, that what a wave guide can do! The low Distortion of the ATC's or the realativly low Distortion and ability to go lower of the Quested Volt 8 is very different from that of the Amphion. Though load differently 2 of those Same model Volts had my neighbor searching for the sub here on Monday because he couldn't believe "the 2 little 8's per side killed his 12in sub & with only 50 watts" running the little Quested amp because somebody offered me way to much for my JW modded GFA555, time to buy another one have Jim Mod it and have some cash, plus a freind is impressing his Audiofile boss with the Krell this weekend! I would try the ATC, but over here they are a few thousand more than the Amphions. I missed out on a second hand pair of Quested H108 a few years ago. They aren't available new here ether although the higher end Quested are stocked. I agree Volts do make nice speakers. That sucks, those of us in the US are spoiled by the abundance of great options! If you have any basic woodworking skills take a look at the little Volt kit Solen offers, you might be able to find the components locally!
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 1, 2018 20:45:53 GMT -6
If your thinking Amphion 18's do give the ATC SCM20 and Quested H108 passives a listen as well, while neither will work as well as the Amphions in a small realativly untreated room like John's, that what a wave guide can do! The low Distortion of the ATC's or the realativly low Distortion and ability to go lower of the Quested Volt 8 is very different from that of the Amphion. Though load differently 2 of those Same model Volts had my neighbor searching for the sub here on Monday because he couldn't believe "the 2 little 8's per side killed his 12in sub & with only 50 watts" running the little Quested amp because somebody offered me way to much for my JW modded GFA555, time to buy another one have Jim Mod it and have some cash, plus a freind is impressing his Audiofile boss with the Krell this weekend! My small, relatively untreated room is turning out some damn good mixes.
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Post by jeromemason on Feb 1, 2018 20:47:40 GMT -6
Sounds like the one18 would be a better replacement for my A7x. The shapes sound interesting though. The Shapes honestly translate better than any speaker I've had in my room(s) to date. Plus you get on board power, DSP and the EQ points/Q's are just spot on. I'm like a broken record on these monitors, but it's honestly because the more I use them the more I appreciate just how damn accurate and good they are. I honestly had to take 3 days and learn and convince myself to mix it like I want it to sound, and what I mean by that is you develop compensations on most monitors that get lodged in your brain. When you mix everyday, breaking that habit is hard. I have to constantly remind myself even still to mix it like I want it to sound. I just can't say enough about those monitors. I'm not even wasting my time flipping to my HR824's anymore, I just get it dialed in and send it off, don't even question it. I do run subs, but I'd do that with any monitors I have or would consider buying, just allows me to dial in exactly what I want.
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Post by ericn on Feb 1, 2018 22:01:50 GMT -6
If your thinking Amphion 18's do give the ATC SCM20 and Quested H108 passives a listen as well, while neither will work as well as the Amphions in a small realativly untreated room like John's, that what a wave guide can do! The low Distortion of the ATC's or the realativly low Distortion and ability to go lower of the Quested Volt 8 is very different from that of the Amphion. Though load differently 2 of those Same model Volts had my neighbor searching for the sub here on Monday because he couldn't believe "the 2 little 8's per side killed his 12in sub & with only 50 watts" running the little Quested amp because somebody offered me way to much for my JW modded GFA555, time to buy another one have Jim Mod it and have some cash, plus a freind is impressing his Audiofile boss with the Krell this weekend! My small, relatively untreated room is turning out some damn good mixes. You do! And I never said it didn't ! Of course the wave guides on those Amphions are responsible for all of it😎 Seriously though, your room showed what a waveguide can do in a small less than ideal space, not my place is ideal, but everything that makes it work in your room, would make them not work here, and well the Questeds H302's are physically to big and the lowend would be far to much in there! Of course that doesn't mean I'm not going to bring Our design based on these if we ever get them to the point where I'm willing to bring them out in public, even if they are the only ones ever built!
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Post by ericn on Feb 1, 2018 22:05:17 GMT -6
Sounds like the one18 would be a better replacement for my A7x. The shapes sound interesting though. The Shapes honestly translate better than any speaker I've had in my room(s) to date. Plus you get on board power, DSP and the EQ points/Q's are just spot on. I'm like a broken record on these monitors, but it's honestly because the more I use them the more I appreciate just how damn accurate and good they are. I honestly had to take 3 days and learn and convince myself to mix it like I want it to sound, and what I mean by that is you develop compensations on most monitors that get lodged in your brain. When you mix everyday, breaking that habit is hard. I have to constantly remind myself even still to mix it like I want it to sound. I just can't say enough about those monitors. I'm not even wasting my time flipping to my HR824's anymore, I just get it dialed in and send it off, don't even question it. I do run subs, but I'd do that with any monitors I have or would consider buying, just allows me to dial in exactly what I want. Someday I want to get to that point, the closest I have come is the totally impractical physically & fiscally Sound lab electrostatics designed by a deaf guy no less, even then for something that big And pricey I expect more lowend !
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Post by c0rtland on Feb 1, 2018 22:11:53 GMT -6
If your thinking Amphion 18's do give the ATC SCM20 and Quested H108 passives a listen as well, while neither will work as well as the Amphions in a small realativly untreated room like John's, that what a wave guide can do! The low Distortion of the ATC's or the realativly low Distortion and ability to go lower of the Quested Volt 8 is very different from that of the Amphion. Though load differently 2 of those Same model Volts had my neighbor searching for the sub here on Monday because he couldn't believe "the 2 little 8's per side killed his 12in sub & with only 50 watts" running the little Quested amp because somebody offered me way to much for my JW modded GFA555, time to buy another one have Jim Mod it and have some cash, plus a freind is impressing his Audiofile boss with the Krell this weekend! My small, relatively untreated room is turning out some damn good mixes. good ears man!
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Post by jeromemason on Feb 1, 2018 22:52:20 GMT -6
The Shapes honestly translate better than any speaker I've had in my room(s) to date. Plus you get on board power, DSP and the EQ points/Q's are just spot on. I'm like a broken record on these monitors, but it's honestly because the more I use them the more I appreciate just how damn accurate and good they are. I honestly had to take 3 days and learn and convince myself to mix it like I want it to sound, and what I mean by that is you develop compensations on most monitors that get lodged in your brain. When you mix everyday, breaking that habit is hard. I have to constantly remind myself even still to mix it like I want it to sound. I just can't say enough about those monitors. I'm not even wasting my time flipping to my HR824's anymore, I just get it dialed in and send it off, don't even question it. I do run subs, but I'd do that with any monitors I have or would consider buying, just allows me to dial in exactly what I want. Someday I want to get to that point, the closest I have come is the totally impractical physically & fiscally Sound lab electrostatics designed by a deaf guy no less, even then for something that big And pricey I expect more lowend ! Eh.. The folks laying ears and approving my refs, I certainly trust them, if something were off sonically they'd strike me down and ask "are you serious with this man?" The latest exec producer I got hooked up with, the first thing I told him "best thing you can do is just beat the shit out of me, don't hold back, offend me even if I don't need it." That will make you trust your gear and be better at what you do.
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Post by ericn on Feb 1, 2018 23:02:35 GMT -6
Someday I want to get to that point, the closest I have come is the totally impractical physically & fiscally Sound lab electrostatics designed by a deaf guy no less, even then for something that big And pricey I expect more lowend ! Eh.. The folks laying ears and approving my refs, I certainly trust them, if something were off sonically they'd strike me down and ask "are you serious with this man?" The latest exec producer I got hooked up with, the first thing I told him "best thing you can do is just beat the shit out of me, don't hold back, offend me even if I don't need it." That will make you trust your gear and be better at what you do. Yeah The big difference is you started as a studio and pretty much stayed with it, I took a giant detour and became a speaker guy and then found myself back in the studio. This means basically you look for what's right in a speaker, I hunt like hell for what's wrong with a speaker 😎 The great part is we can still get along !
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 2, 2018 8:56:51 GMT -6
My small, relatively untreated room is turning out some damn good mixes. You do! And I never said it didn't ! Of course the wave guides on those Amphions are responsible for all of it😎 Seriously though, your room showed what a waveguide can do in a small less than ideal space, not my place is ideal, but everything that makes it work in your room, would make them not work here, and well the Questeds H302's are physically to big and the lowend would be far to much in there! Of course that doesn't mean I'm not going to bring Our design based on these if we ever get them to the point where I'm willing to bring them out in public, even if they are the only ones ever built! The Amphions aren’t the only speakers I’ve gotten good mixes from - I mean come on - our ears are what - 4 ft from the speakers? Obviously, acoustics mean a lot, but sometimes I think it’s drastically overstated.
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Post by ericn on Feb 2, 2018 9:24:43 GMT -6
You do! And I never said it didn't ! Of course the wave guides on those Amphions are responsible for all of it😎 Seriously though, your room showed what a waveguide can do in a small less than ideal space, not my place is ideal, but everything that makes it work in your room, would make them not work here, and well the Questeds H302's are physically to big and the lowend would be far to much in there! Of course that doesn't mean I'm not going to bring Our design based on these if we ever get them to the point where I'm willing to bring them out in public, even if they are the only ones ever built! The Amphions aren’t the only speakers I’ve gotten good mixes from - I mean come on - our ears are what - 4 ft from the speakers? Obviously, acoustics mean a lot, but sometimes I think it’s drastically overstated. We all know the gear including the room take a backseat to song and talent, hell some of my best work was in some of the crappiest places, many were rooms done by guys who bought a book read a couple of chapters and looked at the pictures with no understanding of the basics, I would rather be in a room like yours! A big well done room isn't going to help if you suck neither will a vintage guitar or a U47, but it sure can help a great performance! Listening to Modern recordings of almost all genres VS those made before recording a project for national release is very telling, you can instantly hear the lack real room sound, & the lack of defined lowend. Part of the reason I always mention your room when we talk Amphions is because the design is perfect for a room like yours and it shows! It also shows why you need to hear your monitors in your room! I'll bet in completely different ways most demo rooms are worse than your room ! Having started down this road in a room very similar to yours I will say I wouldn't go down the heavy treatment road without the help of true qualified expert who also understands how you work and even then I'm not sure the results would be worth the $$, A frames are tricky !
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