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Post by indiehouse on Sept 10, 2021 17:11:02 GMT -6
So multi'ing out on a patchbay is probably not a good idea? Say routing a mic to different pre's? Or a pre to different compressors? A pre should be able to multiple to different comps, but a mic split to 2 pre's is 1/2 the Z, on average. On the Zod I assume it's a pass-through jack, so whatever that feeds is in parallel with the Zod. No idea what the Neve-ish DI is, if it's a transformer then it's probably 50K as compared to the (probably) 2M of the Zod. 50K x 2M = 100B/2,050,000 = 48,780. Slightly less than the Neve-ish by itself. If that's what's up. Have the Zod feed an active DI (2Mish+) to buffer. 2M x 2M = big number doesn't matter because this is straight division = 1M. To be even slightly ‘same as’ you’d need a buffer that’s at least 5M Z, and I don’t know that that exists. Geesh. So, the pass thru is basically useless if I want to preserve my original tone? It’s a Stam 1073EQ clone, btw. |
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Post by EmRR on Sept 10, 2021 17:56:01 GMT -6
A pre should be able to multiple to different comps, but a mic split to 2 pre's is 1/2 the Z, on average. On the Zod I assume it's a pass-through jack, so whatever that feeds is in parallel with the Zod. No idea what the Neve-ish DI is, if it's a transformer then it's probably 50K as compared to the (probably) 2M of the Zod. 50K x 2M = 100B/2,050,000 = 48,780. Slightly less than the Neve-ish by itself. If that's what's up. Have the Zod feed an active DI (2Mish+) to buffer. 2M x 2M = big number doesn't matter because this is straight division = 1M. To be even slightly ‘same as’ you’d need a buffer that’s at least 5M Z, and I don’t know that that exists. Geesh. So, the pass thru is basically useless if I want to preserve my original tone? It’s a Stam 1073EQ clone, btw. There'll be some high impedance at which it won't be noticable, situation dependent. Just describing what your boundaries/borders really are. |
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Post by notneeson on Sept 10, 2021 18:11:51 GMT -6
A pre should be able to multiple to different comps, but a mic split to 2 pre's is 1/2 the Z, on average. On the Zod I assume it's a pass-through jack, so whatever that feeds is in parallel with the Zod. No idea what the Neve-ish DI is, if it's a transformer then it's probably 50K as compared to the (probably) 2M of the Zod. 50K x 2M = 100B/2,050,000 = 48,780. Slightly less than the Neve-ish by itself. If that's what's up. Have the Zod feed an active DI (2Mish+) to buffer. 2M x 2M = big number doesn't matter because this is straight division = 1M. To be even slightly ‘same as’ you’d need a buffer that’s at least 5M Z, and I don’t know that that exists. Geesh. So, the pass thru is basically useless if I want to preserve my original tone? It’s a Stam 1073EQ clone, btw. I mean, straight wire into a guitar amp can be a beautiful thing. But once you start adding pedals, buffers, and DIs you’re trading “purity” for options. I find that most buffers imbue a slight “solid state” vibe to the sound and playing feel, but it’s not something I think is highly objectionable. In other words, until this pisses you off in practice, don’t worry too much about the theory. |
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 10, 2021 18:39:45 GMT -6
Geesh. So, the pass thru is basically useless if I want to preserve my original tone? It’s a Stam 1073EQ clone, btw. I mean, straight wire into a guitar amp can be a beautiful thing. But once you start adding pedals, buffers, and DIs you’re trading “purity” for options. I find that most buffers imbue a slight “solid state” vibe to the sound and playing feel, but it’s not something I think is highly objectionable. In other words, until this pisses you off in practice, don’t worry too much about the theory. Well, it was in practice. I was tracking a DI bass into Zod -> Coil CA-70S -> Highland BG2 -> Stam Pultec. I wanted a clean option as well, to reamp later, so I took the thru output into a Stam 1073 DI, but that made my main DI signal sound like ass. |
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Post by EmRR on Sept 10, 2021 22:05:28 GMT -6
Split the output of the 70
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Post by notneeson on Sept 11, 2021 1:08:05 GMT -6
I mean, straight wire into a guitar amp can be a beautiful thing. But once you start adding pedals, buffers, and DIs you’re trading “purity” for options. I find that most buffers imbue a slight “solid state” vibe to the sound and playing feel, but it’s not something I think is highly objectionable. In other words, until this pisses you off in practice, don’t worry too much about the theory. Well, it was in practice. I was tracking a DI bass into Zod -> Coil CA-70S -> Highland BG2 -> Stam Pultec. I wanted a clean option as well, to reamp later, so I took the thru output into a Stam 1073 DI, but that made my main DI signal sound like ass. I meant that adding a buffer isn't such a terrible compromise. |
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Post by hadaja on Sept 12, 2021 17:45:55 GMT -6
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Post by Pueblo Audio on Sept 13, 2021 14:20:28 GMT -6
So multi'ing out on a patchbay is probably not a good idea? Say routing a mic to different pre's? Or a pre to different compressors? A pre should be able to multiple to different comps, but a mic split to 2 pre's is 1/2 the Z, on average. On the Zod I assume it's a pass-through jack, so whatever that feeds is in parallel with the Zod. No idea what the Neve-ish DI is, if it's a transformer then it's probably 50K as compared to the (probably) 2M of the Zod. 50K x 2M = 100B/2,050,000 = 48,780. Slightly less than the Neve-ish by itself. If that's what's up. Have the Zod feed an active DI (2Mish+) to buffer. 2M x 2M = big number doesn't matter because this is straight division = 1M. To be even slightly ‘same as’ you’d need a buffer that’s at least 5M Z, and I don’t know that that exists. If I may throw our hat into the ring… Pueblo Audio’s OLLA Hybrid DI has selectable input impedance from 70k up to 45 Megs (nine times greater than 5M). I reckon that’s as invisible a load as could be had. The instrument’s pickups will never know the difference and it’s tone will remain intact! |
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Post by anders on Oct 1, 2022 23:52:07 GMT -6
Fashionably late to the party here, but a cheap and useful high input impedance buffer (5M ohms) is the Boner boost DIY clone of the Zwex Super HardOn. The kit will set you back around $20 plus shipping, and is an easy build. I have several, and in addition to the obvious solo boost, they're super for cooking tube amp inputs, driving long cables, brightening up guitar outputs in front of pedals with too low input Z, driving things harder, or as utilities like here. shop.pedalparts.co.uk/product/bonerboostPS: I have built several of these without bypass switches, just the gain knob, as I use them always on. Then they'll fit in the smallest cases. |
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