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Post by ericn on Aug 26, 2014 11:18:31 GMT -6
When it comes, to monitoring Eric's 5 th rule of Audio You don't listen to monitors, you listen through monitors. There are guys at all levels who are constantly changeling. Speakers chasing their perfect speaker, as opposed to guys who use the same thing forever because they know them, I always hear about how monitors translate, total BS it's all about knowing what they do right and what they do wrong and that takes time and the guts to listen your stuff on different systems. Spending time with your mastering engineer listening and asking questions can teach you a lot about your speakers. I think this is mostly true, but only once you reach a certain level of quality. My PMC TB1 pair blow the doors off of my Series II KRK V8's that I had for years. I knew how the KRK's sounded, but they were super fatiguing (for my ears anyway). Switching to the PMC's has made a world of difference for me. No offense, but your caught up in the what my monitors do right, that's the easy part, the hard part is the learning what my monitors do wrong and how they do it wrong. I have known a guy who has used Tannoy PBM6.5s and a Hafler for almost 30 years. His stuff is great, but if he uses anything else his stuff sounds like crap ! He knows everything about those Tannoys ! |
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 26, 2014 11:39:19 GMT -6
well, i certainly know my monitors after 15 years, they just don't sound pretty, i like pretty, so i'm trying to get pretty, in the end when it comes to technical decisions, i will almost surely "listen through" as eric suggests... i think thats what we all do at mix time no? I'm interested in combining usefulness with the joy of listening to music. jcoutu1 i'm on paper right now, not sure dimensionally what will be allowed, it's the last thing i'm building after the room is finished, i'm in a state of semi controlled "on the fly" with a lot of this, and if i don't like it, i simply rip it out and start over. More than likely, it'll be about 8' long, with a pair of trail along, dsub connected short racks, they will tuck away in the seat position under the console to save space when tracking a band(no time for sitting 8), my room isn't huge. |
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Post by svart on Aug 26, 2014 12:30:11 GMT -6
Since my JBLs are driven digitally (direct from the sound card) and my Auratones are analog, I can control them separately from the audio control panel for the sound card. Usually I choose one or the other, but sometimes I'll use both at the same time, with the Auratones turned up just enough to give me a little more midrange than the JBLs do (as two-ways..).
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Post by jeromemason on Aug 26, 2014 12:36:14 GMT -6
Well, I just said that I preferred those because the PSI's are so detailed that it ends up distracting me, but for people that are into that they would think the PSI's were handed down by God lol. I'm just saying that for me, I'm finding speakers that are easy to sit back and listen to are easier for me to mix on. Like Proacs, they just give a really nice overall presentation of the mix, so for me it was easy to mix on those. Those KRK's (you had the right ones in your other post, that's them) are very similar, but they also make your mix sound really big, so with that in mind you've got to listen to commercial mixes on them for 25 minutes or so before you get going, and you've got to be going to a reference every so often too. But, they are easy to listen on, and because they have a little 3" driver that's dedicated to nothing but midrange I can scoot up close to them and get an idea of what's going on with it specifically, so I like that. I'll get a pic later, I at least want to clean my desk off so you can see it haha~ Jerome |
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 26, 2014 13:21:42 GMT -6
Ideally, I would like to have my KRK 10-3's, because the speakers are either near-fields or mid-fields, and they sound great. Then I would like to have something like the ns10 or aura tone so I can hear the focused mid-range and finally a couple of different consumer style devices that are in the corner of the room to mix on (not only has CLA said this, but many more have said similar in regards to boom boxes (grot boxes.) Then finally I have a pair of Ultrasone Pro 750's for my headphones that sound great. Just curious what everyone else is doing and what works best for you. Not only what you use, but how you use it, and why does it help you get your mix right. Just a few months ago I bought one Behritone C 50. I can say if the mix is in balance there it will work on most other systems as well. We have wild playback systems today, seeing my nephews playing music on the I phone only. I think you cant be everyones darling - on some systems it just will sound bad. I mix 90% of the time on my Genelecs 8040 and I switch in the last few minutes between the playback systems. Its like night and day, the Behritone is like a kitchen radio, its like glasses for HMF region. If you get used to taht kitchen radio sound you can reverse think the base range on the big ones. I try to get the best compromise on both systems. I leave the rest to the mastering house, if there is one. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 26, 2014 13:26:48 GMT -6
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Post by mrholmes on Aug 26, 2014 15:07:29 GMT -6
Thanks John.
Yeah had to switch over from GS because you can't have a normal conversation there anymore…
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Post by ericn on Aug 26, 2014 15:19:30 GMT -6
Thanks John. Yeah had to switch over from GS because you can't have a normals conversation there anymore… Welcome to our brave new corner of the world! |
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