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Post by bluesholyman on Nov 17, 2024 18:13:45 GMT -6
Serious question actually.
I know DAWs are a bit of an opinionated topic with it really boiling down to users needs. Faced with the prospect of licensing costs of PT over the next few years vs using Apple Logic Pro (which I already own) I am genuinely beginning to wonder if investing more time in learning PT is really worth it. When I had my Carbon (which I sold due to life circumstances) it wasn't even a question for me, I was just going to go that route because I thought it would be a good skill to have. Now without the Carbon, I wonder if I should really spend the time/pain/money with PT or just become really good with Logic Pro.
I don't do commercial work for others, just working on skills for my own songwriting/demos and while I have an Avid MBox Pro now, it doesn't lock me into PT. I have enough licensing for PT Studio for another 2 years (give/take a month). I seriously doubt I will need Ultimate or HD at this point.
Is it worth my time/effort and future costs to stick with PT or should I just focus on Logic. I tried Studio One but didn't care for it - not really interested in any other DAWs at this point. Its going to be Logic or PT.
I just don't know what I don't know. Appreciate the input.
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Post by bgrotto on Nov 17, 2024 18:46:42 GMT -6
PT is the superior audio editor.
Logic is the superior MIDI editor.
I happen to prefer PT's automation. I also prefer its implementation of ARA. Same goes for its comping capabilities.
Broadly speaking, they both get the job done, and whichever one you know better will be the one that gets you there faster.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 17, 2024 18:52:52 GMT -6
Well Avid is way better at gouging the fuck out of you wallet: hand's down !!  |
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Post by Tbone81 on Nov 17, 2024 19:20:40 GMT -6
Logic is cheaper
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 17, 2024 19:47:37 GMT -6
Go with what you know.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 17, 2024 20:52:36 GMT -6
I've been using PT for 30+ years, i just started using Logic(haven't used it a lot yet) and i swear it has a different sound, i can't prove that and don't care to, but i feel like i hear it, maybe the look has an effect on my hearing? IDK anyone else hear/feel this?
That said, if i was starting at the beginning, i'd go logic all the way, Avid has pissed me off way to many times for the money they've gotten from me
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Nov 17, 2024 21:10:38 GMT -6
I've been using PT for 30+ years, i just started using Logic(haven't used it a lot yet) and i swear it has a different sound, i can't prove that and don't care to, but i feel like i hear it, maybe the look has an effect on my hearing? IDK anyone else hear/feel this? That said, if i was starting at the beginning, i'd go logic all the way, Avid has pissed me off way to many times for the money they've gotten from me I bet it's pan law, they all have different pan law. But for the OP, don't overthink it. Pick whichever one you like best and stick with it. |
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Post by smashlord on Nov 17, 2024 22:00:31 GMT -6
I find PT to be faster for editing audio and I prefer how its groups work, which makes live tracking a bit more fluid. Logic is better for pre production, songwriting, and MIDI in general.
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Post by notneeson on Nov 17, 2024 22:09:03 GMT -6
Pro Tools is better for walking into a commercial room and knowing the software you use and know best will be available.
That said, John B. is trying something interesting at Panoramic house: he gets you hooked up with the correct drivers and then you come run your own machine there.
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Post by antbar on Nov 17, 2024 22:19:48 GMT -6
OP mentions not doing commercial work for others and wanting to focus on songwriting etc... that's not far from my own scenario. I jumped from PT to Logic and have found Logic to be far friendlier for songwriting and general "making shit up" purposes. In other words, I enjoy it greatly as a creative tool/instrument. Anything technical I miss about PT is more than made up for in musical enjoyment with Logic.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Nov 17, 2024 23:02:42 GMT -6
OP mentions not doing commercial work for others and wanting to focus on songwriting etc... that's not far from my own scenario. I jumped from PT to Logic and have found Logic to be far friendlier for songwriting and general "making shit up" purposes. In other words, I enjoy it greatly as a creative tool/instrument. Anything technical I miss about PT is more than made up for in musical enjoyment with Logic. I didn't want to say it but if I was PUSHED to make a recommendation I'd say the same. I think Logic is generally considered a superior composition tool. I'm very biased though. I don't get along with ProTools' interface. Just learned on other stuff and never feel at home in PT. |
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Post by drumsound on Nov 17, 2024 23:45:42 GMT -6
If you're not traveling to different studios and doing a ton of client work, there's no reason to not keep using what you're comfortable with.
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Post by bgrotto on Nov 18, 2024 0:34:16 GMT -6
Err…..Some of us suckers bought logic way back in the emagic days…🤦🏻♂️💸 |
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Post by veggieryan on Nov 18, 2024 1:28:57 GMT -6
Err…..Some of us suckers bought logic way back in the emagic days…🤦🏻♂️💸 HAHA! I remember when Apple bought Logic and it was "the end of the world" because I was a PC user at the time...  |
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Post by niklas1073 on Nov 18, 2024 3:33:36 GMT -6
I think pt has its superiority in multi tracking and editing. I can see those working a lot in midi liking logic. For me the editing etc has always felt a little “toyish” in lack of other words. If I were to jump off pt (a thought i have played with) it would be to Luna. It covers the ground for me just the same as logic plus much more interesting workflow if you are into uad. And its free.
Pt studio covers all you need. Its actually not that expensive in the long run either. After buying the perpetual i buy an upgrade every 3-4 years that cost under 200 bucks. Its more than logic for sure but not expensive.
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Post by bluesholyman on Nov 18, 2024 7:01:31 GMT -6
But for the OP, don't overthink it. Pick whichever one you like best and stick with it. I am a professionally trained [software] engineer....I am incapable of not over-thinking  Pro Tools is better for walking into a commercial room and knowing the software you use and know best will be available. This was my original thought in going PT or even just sending the PT project to a mix/master engineer once I am done with it, for simplicity. |
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Post by notneeson on Nov 18, 2024 8:50:22 GMT -6
But for the OP, don't overthink it. Pick whichever one you like best and stick with it. I am a professionally trained [software] engineer....I am incapable of not over-thinking Pro Tools is better for walking into a commercial room and knowing the software you use and know best will be available. This was my original thought in going PT or even just sending the PT project to a mix/master engineer once I am done with it, for simplicity. For that use case it is also super simple to just export consolidated audio files with a consistent 0:00 point. |
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Post by damoongo on Nov 18, 2024 9:46:24 GMT -6
Pro Tools is better for walking into a commercial room and knowing the software you use and know best will be available. That said, John B. is trying something interesting at Panoramic house: he gets you hooked up with the correct drivers and then you come run your own machine there. That’s what I’ve been doing here lately too. Outside producers bring their own computer and just Thunderbolt into the Studio converters (Lynx Aurora’s) and they’re off…. Using their own DAW / plugins / etc.. We’ve got analog headphone cue monitoring, so no troubles with latency even if their computer isn’t hot shit. |
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Post by Ward on Nov 18, 2024 10:21:52 GMT -6
Err…..Some of us suckers bought logic way back in the emagic days…🤦🏻♂️💸 Stil have Logic 2.5.x sitting on the shelf in original packaging. I swear there were things you could do on it that still haven't been replicated. But apart from a few tricks, it was cumbersome and not very useful. Great for Midi. Still is. on one of my iMacs, I use Logic for Flex on fixing up tracks, and a few of it's internal sound libraries, then port every back to Pro Tools. Everything sounds better on PT. |
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Post by theshea on Nov 18, 2024 10:25:56 GMT -6
i started with logic express 8! haha
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 18, 2024 10:46:07 GMT -6
If you don’t have to work with others, I’d just use and learn Logic. It’s not going away…and has infinitely more creative tools. It’s the one daw I always feel lost in because it shares no Pro Tools dna so everything feels left footed to me. But I’m sure if you work in it you learn it.
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Post by bluesholyman on Nov 18, 2024 11:37:39 GMT -6
I've been using PT for 30+ years, i just started using Logic(haven't used it a lot yet) and i swear it has a different sound, i can't prove that and don't care to, but i feel like i hear it, maybe the look has an effect on my hearing? IDK anyone else hear/feel this? Everything sounds better on PT. These are interesting observations. |
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Post by damoongo on Nov 18, 2024 12:02:51 GMT -6
I've been using PT for 30+ years, i just started using Logic(haven't used it a lot yet) and i swear it has a different sound, i can't prove that and don't care to, but i feel like i hear it, maybe the look has an effect on my hearing? IDK anyone else hear/feel this? Everything sounds better on PT. These are interesting observations. I mean, it's provably false, but interesting. I always "feel" like PT sounds worse, but it's only because it's not my native language (cubase/Nuendo), so I'm slower and clumsier with faders and it takes ME longer to get something sounding good, so I get frustrated and second guess myself and make bad decisions. That's the "sonic" difference. |
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Post by Ward on Nov 18, 2024 12:50:30 GMT -6
If you don’t have to work with others, I’d just use and learn Logic. It’s not going away…and has infinitely more creative tools. It’s the one daw I always feel lost in because it shares no Pro Tools dna so everything feels left footed to me. But I’m sure if you work in it you learn it. That's the greatest challenge. "Ok, now where the AF is the . . . . . ?" Everything is somewhere else. PT is a little bit of a hill coming out of the gate, but then everything falls where it should on an LFAC and that seems comfortable. |
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Post by antbar on Nov 18, 2024 13:00:33 GMT -6
Pro Tools is better for walking into a commercial room and knowing the software you use and know best will be available. That said, John B. is trying something interesting at Panoramic house: he gets you hooked up with the correct drivers and then you come run your own machine there. It was John who pushed me towards Pro Tools after I showed up at Enharmonik with a Roland VS machine! We transferred my rough, home-rec'd basics to 16-track, did bass and drums to tape and then had to get everything back into the Roland - probably using an audio click to help line everything back up. Funny thing is that I STILL love that Roland, even though I haven't used it in 20 years. John just saw the messy struggle that the Roland presented, but for me, it was a thrilling machine with its own sexy sound. And hey - the album I made with it way back then has just been reissued on LP for the first time. Separate story, but I showed up at a studio for a backing vocal session. It was a place I recorded at often when I lived in the UK. I was still in PT and had forgotten they'd switched to Logic. The poor engineer had had a live sound gig the night before that went quite late and he showed up in rough shape. He was a new fellow to me and hadn't worked at the studio in their PT days. Basically, with a proper British apology, he asked me if I could run the session. Since I was having other people add BVs, I didn't have to be in the room on the mic and was able to take over as engineer. I can sit on the sofa and "produce" but I'd never actually run a proper session before outside my home studio, being the guy in the swivel chair on the talkback, praising and saying "let's do one more..." I felt like such a big boy! And... everyone was grateful I knew PT. They grow up so fast! |
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