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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 29, 2024 17:04:44 GMT -6
Annnnddd...first try...crash
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Post by copperx on Oct 29, 2024 17:11:29 GMT -6
Sounds about right.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 29, 2024 17:33:55 GMT -6
Don’t press the preview button. Lol. Not sure if these are worth the trouble because they’re so limited to get you hooked. I only thought about it because I have a vocal that has terrible room ambience in it - thought I’d see if SL could separate it out and take the room out. Tried the usual suspects like clarity and SPL de reverb didn’t work well.
No biggie though. Just need to re-record.
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Post by wiz on Oct 29, 2024 18:24:06 GMT -6
Don’t press the preview button. Lol. Not sure if these are worth the trouble because they’re so limited to get you hooked. I only thought about it because I have a vocal that has terrible room ambience in it - thought I’d see if SL could separate it out and take the room out. Tried the usual suspects like clarity and SPL de reverb didn’t work well. No biggie though. Just need to re-record. I have c vox might do it |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 29, 2024 18:31:39 GMT -6
Don’t press the preview button. Lol. Not sure if these are worth the trouble because they’re so limited to get you hooked. I only thought about it because I have a vocal that has terrible room ambience in it - thought I’d see if SL could separate it out and take the room out. Tried the usual suspects like clarity and SPL de reverb didn’t work well. No biggie though. Just need to re-record. I have c vox might do it My demo has expired…but when I used it, I thought it was similar to clarity vx or whatever. It just needs to be re-recorded. |
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Post by poppaflavor on Oct 29, 2024 19:03:47 GMT -6
My demo has expired…but when I used it, I thought it was similar to clarity vx or whatever. It just needs to be re-recorded. Yeah. Rerecord when possible :-) I have SL Pro and it is incredibly powerful. It separates each and every gnat's eyelash of audio. I love it. In theory. A few years ago I spent many hours watching the inspiring and compelling videos detailing the power of SL Pro. I then spent hours trying to salvage some vox tacks. I then spent hours realizing the reason I couldn't fix them was because even though SL Pro is incredibly powerful, if I'm not a post prod pro and don't have a workflow it's starting from square zero. And every moment spent up in the gutz of SL Pro was time not spent well. I still Like SL Pro (but didn't update to this latest version since it already does everything i need). I'll try to whip it out when things seem right up it's alley (a click, an doffending sibilance (not an overrall sibilant track), etc. Not to open up a rabbit hole of whataboutism, but for excess room I found the SL Pro too detailed and surgical. The Acon Deverberate tool though I found to be pretty helpful. If there is a demo it might be worthwhile assessing. Fairly intuitive and you know right away whether it will work or not. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 29, 2024 19:51:33 GMT -6
Can it separate the room sound from the vocal?
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Post by bgrotto on Oct 29, 2024 20:27:54 GMT -6
This is the app I was raving about a couple months ago in another thread. SpectraLayers is absolutely AMAZING. Now that it's out, I think I can reveal that I was using it in ARA mode (I'm a PT tester) and it's been super stable for me since day one. Probably the best, most resilient and stable ARA plug I've tested to-date. Not sure why it's crashing for you @johnkenn, but FWIW it's been rock-solid throughout testing EXCEPT when rendering certain types of edits. I am pretty sure this bug was resolved but I haven't had a chance to test it yet on my system. However, if it's crashing upon simply loading, that's a new one and kinda suprirsing, given its stability for the last few months.
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Post by bgrotto on Oct 29, 2024 20:29:42 GMT -6
Can it separate the room sound from the vocal? Yes. De Reverb is pretty solid. As always, though, it depends on the source. The strength of SL though, is that you can modify the separation after the changes are applied, so you can basically 'tweak' what the algorithm comes up with to maximize efficacy and transparency. |
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Post by doubledog on Oct 29, 2024 22:02:15 GMT -6
Annnnddd...first try...crash see? I told you I was waiting...  |
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Post by poppaflavor on Oct 30, 2024 22:37:23 GMT -6
Can it separate the room sound from the vocal? Great question. The eternal and infernal question. I'd suggest checking out ACON Deverberate as a demo (we have to say that don't we?). I'd certainly try to process your stereo Wav track with the general guidance received so far as 'separate the gorgeously delicious voice from the roomy boomy tish I dunna wanna hear here" if you don't wanna demo (yeah. I get it, esp with ACON), and you've a bit of patience, and can tolerate remote processing I've hit some bad bad times with it, but also some glorious and unanticipated successes, and a couple of sweet spots as well. Could be interesting. Let me know if you'd like me to try with your file? |
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Post by EmRR on Oct 31, 2024 9:29:17 GMT -6
Tangent - is RX de-reverb the worst one? Only one I’ve repeatedly tried and it just sounds obvious and bad, plus…buggy and inconsistent moment to moment.
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Post by Dan on Oct 31, 2024 9:41:55 GMT -6
Tangent - is RX de-reverb the worst one? Only one I’ve repeatedly tried and it just sounds obvious and bad, plus…buggy and inconsistent moment to moment. Yes outside of the SPL that just deadens sustain. Acon Dereverberate and Waves Clarity VX Pro dereverb are much better. Most of the Izotope algorithms haven’t really been improved in years and I use it more for specific tasks like de-squeeking guitar strings. You could always just use an expander. I love the Oxford Dynamics. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 31, 2024 11:16:22 GMT -6
Yeah that’s why I was wondering if SL was a different thing altogether. I’ve never been happy with any of those tools to try and fix something like a roomy vocal. Like - I have a client that sent me some vocals and the room reflections were just terrible. We ultimately had to recut all of them because otherwise any de-reverb made it sound like a bad cell connection.
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Post by phantom on Oct 31, 2024 17:13:22 GMT -6
Just tried it today. Worked perfectly. I even processed a full song to see how it would go. Takes a bit of time, like in standalone mode, but it finished without any problem. I'm using the Pro version inside Pro Tools, btw.
Maybe you're having problems with the Go version.
I'm loving it with ARA!
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 31, 2024 17:40:03 GMT -6
Finally got the trial of pro to work…but I’m really wondering how much I would use it. I’m not really sure how I’d actually use it…I don’t have a lot of problem files - I’ll just occasionally get something from someone that’s bad. But I’m at the point now I can just turn that stuff down. Are you guys using this like you’re using RX? Mostly for like Hum, Noise, Clicks, etc?
So - if I wanted to take a vocal and open it with SL, it should be already separated out, right? Like - it should have a couple colors. I noticed it separated like 4 things out and called two or three of the them the same name. Anyway - I haven’t wrapped my head around how in the world to know which wav plot to erase or manipulate to do a certain thing…It just seems kinda complicated and with the amount of stuff I get that needs this is few and far between.
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Post by damoongo on Oct 31, 2024 21:39:36 GMT -6
Finally got the trial of pro to work…but I’m really wondering how much I would use it. I’m not really sure how I’d actually use it…I don’t have a lot of problem files - I’ll just occasionally get something from someone that’s bad. But I’m at the point now I can just turn that stuff down. Are you guys using this like you’re using RX? Mostly for like Hum, Noise, Clicks, etc? So - if I wanted to take a vocal and open it with SL, it should be already separated out, right? Like - it should have a couple colors. I noticed it separated like 4 things out and called two or three of the them the same name. Anyway - I haven’t wrapped my head around how in the world to know which wav plot to erase or manipulate to do a certain thing…It just seems kinda complicated and with the amount of stuff I get that needs this is few and far between. I'm not thrilled by it. It's useful as a "stem separator" but only for scratch work etc, as there are too many artifacts for real use. But, for example, it's great for taking piano bleed out of a scratch vocal that was sung and played at the same time, so you don't need to recut the scratch before doing some more piano takes etc... I find rx better for noises and clicks etc. I don' think it's really geared towards studio music production work. It's basically trying to give you multitracks (the "layers" in SpectraLayers) of things that were a recorded in a single capture. But in studios, we already multitrack different elements if we want that.... Kinda cool to use "unmix song" on some classics and get to solo up some elements (albeit with gross artifacts). |
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