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Post by gravesnumber9 on Nov 11, 2024 21:50:05 GMT -6
Well, it depends, nothing wrong with an m1, but the m4 outperforms it: the longer you keep an m1, the more it’s value will fall. or just sell it now. I’m out of pocket about $8-900 cdn for a completely upgraded machine: faster processing , more storage and memory. That snappier performance will be appreciated. Which configuration did you land on? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 12, 2024 2:39:13 GMT -6
512,24g: ordered the 24 by accident, but actually happy to have it.
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 12, 2024 4:45:47 GMT -6
512,24g: ordered the 24 by accident, but actually happy to have it. Is a 512 big enough generally speaking. I’d be using an external SSD for audio/ video anyway. |
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Post by suicity on Nov 12, 2024 5:50:32 GMT -6
512,24g: ordered the 24 by accident, but actually happy to have it. Is a 512 big enough generally speaking. I’d be using an external SSD for audio/ video anyway. Although big enough for most of my needs, I am additionally worried about the "wear and tear" (if you can call it that) on the NANDs as a result of excessive cache/file swapping. The limited lifespan/cycles that the NANDs can handle is well documented. As much RAM and SSD as you can afford is the way forward, I think. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 12, 2024 6:09:27 GMT -6
512,24g: ordered the 24 by accident, but actually happy to have it. Is a 512 big enough generally speaking. I’d be using an external SSD for audio/ video anyway. My m1 was 256, no real problem, just have to manage drive, found after 80% capacity started to get glitches. M4 is double at 512, so obviously 100% more space and I think faster. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 12, 2024 6:11:19 GMT -6
Is a 512 big enough generally speaking. I’d be using an external SSD for audio/ video anyway. Although big enough for most of my needs, I am additionally worried about the "wear and tear" (if you can call it that) on the NANDs as a result of excessive cache/file swapping. The limited lifespan/cycles that the NANDs can handle is well documented. As much RAM and SSD as you can afford is the way forward, I think. Often worried about online, but I haven’t seen any documentation confirming it happening in reality or not for a very long time. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Nov 12, 2024 8:35:16 GMT -6
512,24g: ordered the 24 by accident, but actually happy to have it. Is a 512 big enough generally speaking. I’d be using an external SSD for audio/ video anyway. My M1 Mini is a 512gb and I think it's fine. But I do more drive maintenance than I'd like to. I run "current" projects on the internal drive which I guess I don't really need to. When I have a couple really big projects plus maybe some video that I'm working on all at once, I have to juggle to keep capacity below 75% which is key. The main thing is that over time applications get larger and larger it seems, I'd probably do the same config as Kat except with 1TB. And honestly it's because I'm sloppy with HD organization. Someone with better file hygiene wouldn't have a problem at all with 512gb in my opinion. 256gb however is too small. You'd really need to keep it under 185gb or so to keep it running smoothly and a big chunk of that is gone right away with the OS. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 12, 2024 9:18:02 GMT -6
I really only use my mini for recording with logic: keep my libraries on another drive and move logic sessions to backup drive, 256 wasn’t a big deal.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Nov 12, 2024 9:20:34 GMT -6
I really only use my mini for recording with logic: keep my libraries on another drive and move logic sessions to backup drive, 256 wasn’t a big deal. In other words. Someone with good file management skills! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 12, 2024 9:24:04 GMT -6
I was trying so hard to be polite!  |
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Post by dok on Nov 12, 2024 11:04:18 GMT -6
I bought the maxed out M1 Mini the day it became available refurbished - 16GB and 2TB. All of my sample libraries and plugins live on my internal drive, and when a project is finished it gets moved to external. No regrets! Haven't had any RAM bottlenecks but I'll still get more in my M7.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 12, 2024 11:30:42 GMT -6
Just use a TB/usbc M.2 external ssd hub like the one below and you'll be golden, it moves 40gbs from your rig to the M.2ssd at a smoking read/write speed around 3,000mbps. Then I store them in a case like the ones below, i think the M.2 case was $6 and the M.2 hub was $79, a 2tb M.2 ssd is about $100-140, the 18TB Sata external HD was $280. The Sata internal/external HD read/write unit was about $70, i have about 50TB's of storage in these pics below I'm moving solely to M.2 and the small cases as we speak(2nd pic)...., i will have a couple 18tb external Sata's for long term backup, all the IDE and Sata drives will be a thing of the past shortly. This setup is for 6k video work, there is no reason you'd need to go this nuts for audio BTW, 8tb of M.2 storage, the M.2 hub and the case are about $500 less than the Apple storage upgrade and the external M.2 hub transfers data FASTER than the internal storage of the mac, yes you heard that right!     |
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Post by dok on Nov 12, 2024 11:37:31 GMT -6
BTW, 8tb of M.2 storage, the M.2 hub and the case are about $500 less than the Apple storage upgrade and the external M.2 hub transfers data FASTER than the internal storage of the mac, yes you heard that right! Faster than only the smallest internal SSDs, no? The larger ones (starting at 512 or 1TB depending on which model) move much quicker. BTW James Zhan has a new video out comparing performance between generations: |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 12, 2024 11:50:25 GMT -6
BTW, 8tb of M.2 storage, the M.2 hub and the case are about $500 less than the Apple storage upgrade and the external M.2 hub transfers data FASTER than the internal storage of the mac, yes you heard that right! Faster than only the smallest internal SSDs, no? The larger ones (starting at 512 or 1TB depending on which model) move much quicker. BTW James Zhan has a new video out comparing performance between generations: I found no such info in the attached video about external M.2 speeds vs internal, i do not remember where i found the info about the external being faster than the internal storage, but i did indeed find it and i can verify that i'm getting 3,000+mbps read/write speeds, faster than anything any audio pro would ever need, and i see exactly no lag doing 6k video editing edit; i should add that my M1 max has a 2tb hard drive, i can't tell the diff between it and the external M.2's in real world use, when editing 6k footage id argue that the media stored on the external M.2 seems to be quicker(common for me to put media on a separate partition or HD than the OS) |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Nov 12, 2024 11:57:29 GMT -6
Just use a TB/usbc M.2 external ssd hub like the one below and you'll be golden, it moves 40gbs from your rig to the M.2ssd at a smoking read/write speed around 3,000mbps. Then I store them in a case like the ones below, i think the M.2 case was $6 and the M.2 hub was $79, a 2tb M.2 ssd is about $100-140, the 18TB Sata external HD was $280. The Sata internal/external HD read/write unit was about $70, i have about 50TB's of storage in these pics below I'm moving solely to M.2 and the small cases as we speak(2nd pic)...., i will have a couple 18tb external Sata's for long term backup, all the IDE and Sata drives will be a thing of the past shortly. This setup is for 6k video work, there is no reason you'd need to go this nuts for audio BTW, 8tb of M.2 storage, the M.2 hub and the case are about $500 less than the Apple storage upgrade and the external M.2 hub transfers data FASTER than the internal storage of the mac, yes you heard that right! Bookmarked this. I really need help on file management. I'm dying here. Maybe someone could do a post kind of like drbill did a while back on his hybrid mixing strategy but for file management. Naming conventions. Handling mix iterations (more naming). Archiving both in terms of digital organization and physical organization. I'll do what I'm told, I swear! I'll be good this time!! |
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Post by dok on Nov 12, 2024 12:27:29 GMT -6
I found no such info in the attached video about external M.2 speeds vs internal, i do not remember where i found the info about the external being faster than the internal storage, but i did indeed find it and i can verify that i'm getting 3,000+mbps read/write speeds, faster than anything any audio pro would ever need, and i see exactly no lag doing 6k video editing edit; i should add that my M1 max has a 2tb hard drive, i can't tell the diff between it and the external M.2's in real world use, when editing 6k footage id argue that the media stored on the external M.2 seems to be quicker(common for me to put media on a separate partition or HD than the OS) Sorry, the video was meant for the general thread about M4 performance, not a specific reply to you about storage speeds. But this thread has some good data about smaller drives and slower speeds for the M1 and M2 models: https://www.reddit.com/r/macmini/comments/10ns2jg/introduction_and_table_for_m2_ssd_speed/  |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 12, 2024 12:37:41 GMT -6
I found no such info in the attached video about external M.2 speeds vs internal, i do not remember where i found the info about the external being faster than the internal storage, but i did indeed find it and i can verify that i'm getting 3,000+mbps read/write speeds, faster than anything any audio pro would ever need, and i see exactly no lag doing 6k video editing edit; i should add that my M1 max has a 2tb hard drive, i can't tell the diff between it and the external M.2's in real world use, when editing 6k footage id argue that the media stored on the external M.2 seems to be quicker(common for me to put media on a separate partition or HD than the OS) Sorry, the video was meant for the general thread about M4 performance, not a specific reply to you about storage speeds. But this thread has some good data about smaller drives and slower speeds for the M1 and M2 models: https://www.reddit.com/r/macmini/comments/10ns2jg/introduction_and_table_for_m2_ssd_speed/ Cool, most of that shows the same performance on the mini's of about 3,000mbps I just now did a test on my M1 max and pic is below, i honestly can feel no diff in use and it feels a bit quicker editing 6k video when it's stored on the M.2 external...., so 🤷🏻♂️ JME I should add that this seems to be a cache test on the macbook and not a write speed to the HD, my geekery is limited on this stuff  |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 12, 2024 13:26:28 GMT -6
Remember, nvme drives to significantly increase ssd space:
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 12, 2024 13:32:39 GMT -6
One thing about discussing speeds is, didn’t the number of chips vary or was that just originally the base m1?
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Post by dok on Nov 13, 2024 11:40:47 GMT -6
Some more benchmarks and comparisons - looks like the M2 Pro Mini acquits itself very well vs. the base M4 Mini, but the M4 Pro is not included here.
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Post by plinker on Nov 15, 2024 1:16:51 GMT -6
I just ordered the M4 mini with 32 gigs RAM and the 1T drive.
Getting $300 on my M1 trade in.
Dood!
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 15, 2024 9:23:28 GMT -6
I just ordered the M4 mini with 32 gigs RAM and the 1T drive. Getting $300 on my M1 trade in. Dood! If you don’t mind me asking - how much without the trade in - I want to compare to Apple UK. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 15, 2024 9:24:57 GMT -6
You can check online at apple!
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 15, 2024 9:27:11 GMT -6
You can check online at apple! Doh! I’ll do just that! |
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 15, 2024 9:27:37 GMT -6
You can check online at apple! Doh! I’ll do just that! It’s £1399 here which is $1765 Yep $1399 in US. So they take the US price and turn it to pounds …. blinking rip off ( UK import tax to blame of course!!) So my proposed Mac Book Pro M4 Max 32 GB RAM 1TB is £3500 or $4,420! |
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