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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 10, 2024 14:35:06 GMT -6
I would like to know what sort of real world studio work increase in actual performance I would get……..over my M1 with 8GB 512HD…..using the base model M4 mini. There is also the question of compatibility with sonoma…… A new m4 would come with sequoia ? I saw some benchmarks this morning showing overall 25-30% processing increases |
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Post by wiz on Nov 10, 2024 15:00:24 GMT -6
I would like to know what sort of real world studio work increase in actual performance I would get……..over my M1 with 8GB 512HD…..using the base model M4 mini. There is also the question of compatibility with sonoma…… A new m4 would come with sequoia ? I saw some benchmarks this morning showing overall 25-30% processing increases Sorry mixed up the names…..yes sequoia compatibility is what I should have said. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 10, 2024 15:01:38 GMT -6
Compatibility with what?
The computer will be fine, is it your other softwares?
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Post by wiz on Nov 10, 2024 15:20:48 GMT -6
Compatibility with what? The computer will be fine, is it your other softwares? Luna Sound works fab filter m7 plug in Sound radix Amplitube Toontrack Etc |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 10, 2024 15:30:36 GMT -6
UA is not sequoia certified. I had problems in ua connect, rolled back , fine on Sonoma.
Sweetwater normally has an OS plug certification by brand page.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 10, 2024 15:32:44 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 10, 2024 15:38:16 GMT -6
“ UA state that the latest UAD software is currently being tested for compatibility. Apollo models with Thunderbolt and UAD-2-PCIe cards are compatible. Follow the instructions at this link for installation and configuration for their software on Sequoia.
UAD Software Compatibility with macOS Sequoia 15”
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Post by wiz on Nov 10, 2024 16:21:16 GMT -6
Thank you
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Post by ericn on Nov 10, 2024 21:38:43 GMT -6
The high trade in value of the M1 machines leaves me thinking that Apple is going to drop support just as fast as they can, but that only based on over 30 years of dealing with Apple professionally ( shit I’m old).
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Post by dok on Nov 10, 2024 21:43:55 GMT -6
I keep thinking I could upgrade my M1 mini but what for? It does everything I need it to right now, and silently! Would be a lot of money for marginal utility that quickly depreciates. That being said, these are a great value. The refurbished M7 I buy in 5 years is gonna be insane. Or the m4 has about a 25-30% performance increase, and by trading in or selling your m1, you will never get more for it. I just sold my roughly 3 year old m1 for $450 cdn, got a new m4, doubled my ssd and increased ram by 30%, for about a grand or $55 monthly. I agree you don’t have to, but now has its advantages. Sure it does. But are they worth the outlay? I tend to use my computers until they bite the dust, and I haven't once pushed this machine to its limits in 2.5 years. Let's say I tend to spend $2k on these machines, if I'm only getting $300 for it now, I've "lost" $1700 (not counting the use value during this time) - but if get another three years out of it, which should be quite easy, I've only "lost" $300 more at that point since it won't have a trade-in value, and I will still have a functioning computer. Everyone's formula is different on this but spending $1700 now vs $2000 later when it's already 100% meeting my needs means that later outlay will buy much more computer when the time comes. |
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Post by copperx on Nov 11, 2024 0:33:27 GMT -6
In my humble opinion it's more economical to buy an average performance computer and replace it often instead of buying the bleeding edge tech and then avoid upgrading for the longest possible time.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 11, 2024 1:11:31 GMT -6
The high trade in value of the M1 machines leaves me thinking that Apple is going to drop support just as fast as they can, but that only based on over 30 years of dealing with Apple professionally ( shit I’m old). Apple lets you buy an extended warranty and continued support for about $50 and that is transferable to new owners: actually adds value to used units vs out of warrenty/no support. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 11, 2024 1:13:07 GMT -6
Or the m4 has about a 25-30% performance increase, and by trading in or selling your m1, you will never get more for it. I just sold my roughly 3 year old m1 for $450 cdn, got a new m4, doubled my ssd and increased ram by 30%, for about a grand or $55 monthly. I agree you don’t have to, but now has its advantages. Sure it does. But are they worth the outlay? I tend to use my computers until they bite the dust, and I haven't once pushed this machine to its limits in 2.5 years. Let's say I tend to spend $2k on these machines, if I'm only getting $300 for it now, I've "lost" $1700 (not counting the use value during this time) - but if get another three years out of it, which should be quite easy, I've only "lost" $300 more at that point since it won't have a trade-in value, and I will still have a functioning computer. Everyone's formula is different on this but spending $1700 now vs $2000 later when it's already 100% meeting my needs means that later outlay will buy much more computer when the time comes. Sure, but if you were buying used, would prefer with or without warranty? |
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 11, 2024 1:13:24 GMT -6
In my humble opinion it's more economical to buy an average performance computer and replace it often instead of buying the bleeding edge tech and then avoid upgrading for the longest possible time. If an average performance meets your needs. That’s a big IF For me it’s the opposite, I just bought a new PC system for my studio that was the highest spec the company offered. I did that last time I bought from them …. 9 years ago! That equates to it costing me £30 per month (which I’m saving now for the next one) That said PC’s stay compatible longer than Macs ime. So your point has value in that department and may be what you’re referring to. A mid spec PC wouldn’t do what I needed. Now faced with buying a new Mac Book Pro my instincts are to buy a 16” M4 Max 36GB 1TB as I feel it will have a very decent life span. In Apple terms that’s only a couple of steps above average spec as I could buy way more RAM and way more drive space but Apple tax would put the cost into outer space! Here in the UK - Apple machines are expensive even for a basic model! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 11, 2024 1:15:34 GMT -6
I’m still running my 2012 mbp using opencore legacy patcher to run Sonoma, new I think it was around $2100 cdn.
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 11, 2024 1:17:42 GMT -6
I’m still running my 2012 mbp using opencore legacy patcher to run Sonoma, new I think it was around $2100 cdn. Will opencore legacy patcher work on an 10.9.5 Mac Book Air? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 11, 2024 1:36:48 GMT -6
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Post by thehightenor on Nov 11, 2024 1:48:23 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 11, 2024 4:13:25 GMT -6
They have how to videos and instructions, but essentially you download its app, run installer, download os, save to usb 32g, reboot fro safe mode, select efi/usb os and install on your preferred drive.
I’ve done it a few times and rolled back Sequoia too.
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Post by plinker on Nov 11, 2024 9:57:17 GMT -6
The high trade in value of the M1 machines leaves me thinking that Apple is going to drop support just as fast as they can, but that only based on over 30 years of dealing with Apple professionally ( shit I’m old). What type(s) of support are you referring to, Eric, and what do you think would drive them dropping support for the M1? |
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Post by ericn on Nov 11, 2024 10:12:36 GMT -6
The high trade in value of the M1 machines leaves me thinking that Apple is going to drop support just as fast as they can, but that only based on over 30 years of dealing with Apple professionally ( shit I’m old). What type(s) of support are you referring to, Eric, and what do you think would drive them dropping support for the M1? Apple has never offered high trade value, even off lease, plus M1 was their first attempt, it is just the very uneasy feeling, after years of examples of Apple screwing people over. |
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Post by dok on Nov 11, 2024 10:32:09 GMT -6
Sure, but if you were buying used, would prefer with or without warranty? I typically buy refurbished direct from Apple, which comes with all of the same warranties and options for AppleCare. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 11, 2024 10:34:25 GMT -6
Apple seems to be offering people easily 50% or more of used street value for m1s, I was surprised how high the trade in value was.
I don’t don’t see apple dropping M silicon support anytime soon, it just literally bet the farm on this move away from intel.
Even if some OS released in a few years isn’t certified, highly unlikely you wouldn’t be able to update with opencore legacy patcher.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Nov 11, 2024 11:09:39 GMT -6
In my humble opinion it's more economical to buy an average performance computer and replace it often instead of buying the bleeding edge tech and then avoid upgrading for the longest possible time. I've always had the opposite approach historically but this Mini release might make me rethink that. Just getting the base model Mini (or close to base... you can't really do 256gb hard drive these days even with external) and replacing it every three years is an interesting strategy. Assuming $300 trade-in that means you're spending $500 every three years (second to lowest model is $800). You'd have to do that for 12 years before you came close to the cost of a maxed out mini. And you'd probably be pretty much ok (or better) in terms of power for the entire time. I'm on an M1 with 16gb which I got three or four years ago. Hard to imagine that the M4 with 16gb wouldn't be a big step up and the M1 is still doing fine. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Nov 11, 2024 11:12:18 GMT -6
Apple seems to be offering people easily 50% or more of used street value for m1s, I was surprised how high the trade in value was. I don’t don’t see apple dropping M silicon support anytime soon, it just literally bet the farm on this move away from intel. Even if some OS released in a few years isn’t certified, highly unlikely you wouldn’t be able to update with opencore legacy patcher. There's an ulterior motive for sure but I think it's different. Just a guess but I think they are willing to eat costs to push people to machines that can support Apple Intelligence. Just like they make more money off the App Store than they do the iPhone, I think Apple is betting that developers are going to pay them truckloads of money as long as the Apple AI user base is broad enough. Just a guess but that would also fit very much with Apple's historic MO. |
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