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Post by chessparov on Oct 29, 2024 22:56:48 GMT -6
Worthy thought.
Yet…
If possible why not get something “right” from the “Get Go”?
(Including stock Circuitry rather than modding)* Usually the Capsule alone, will set a glass ceiling on potential to begin with.
Chris
*I ended up not modding my Oktava 219 or 58 due to other existing options.
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Post by moeses on Oct 29, 2024 23:41:31 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 30, 2024 0:33:54 GMT -6
Worthy thought. Yet… If possible why not get something “right” from the “Get Go”? (Including stock Circuitry rather than modding)* Usually the Capsule alone, will set a glass ceiling on potential to begin with. Chris *I ended up not modding my Oktava 219 or 58 due to other existing options. Disagree, in the Warm 47 case, as I believe, Chad designed the mike while at Warm to a price point, so knows exactly what to upgrade. I had a stock Warm and the build quality was very good. It’s an interesting option, but I understand the UK import issue. |
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 30, 2024 1:00:03 GMT -6
I'm not sure why one would buy a crappy 47 clone instead of getting a killer dynamic like a 441 or M88 or even an SM7B for a demo / writing room. If a condenser is a must - a Gefell M71S or UM70 fits the proposed requirements. Might be better than the Wunder....  I’ve got a M88 and SM7B. And I do get your point, but listening to the demo of the Warm WA-47 …. it doesn’t sound crappy - actually pretty good. As regards the Gefell - I’ve never had the pleasure of using one but only ever heard great things. I find it’s important to have an inspiring vocal sound as any stage of being creative - just to keep the vibe going. A Gefell is a very good idea, I’ll look at the costs. |
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Post by recordingengineer on Oct 30, 2024 1:11:35 GMT -6
I had thought of that one too, but was being sensitive to the import concerns. There’s also a used Barbaric 47 on there too with a Neumann k49 capsule and a 5906 tube (I have that as an plugin option for my Barbaric 47 and it’s currently in there). I can’t believe no one still hasn’t grabbed her! |
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 30, 2024 2:43:28 GMT -6
I just remembered I've got a Rode NTV I had forum member Bowie sell me a lovely new NOS tube for - it's nice on a few things like pop acoustic guitar and guitar cabs for a certain funky clean.
But I'm not sure the edge terminated capsule really suits my voice.
I've also got a BLUE Kiwi and an AEA R92 .... but I tend to keep them in the mic locker when not in use as the R92 is quite delicate
and BLUE Kiwi's are now unobtanium to buy new.
I'm still thinking the Warm 47 might just be the ticket.
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 30, 2024 3:17:15 GMT -6
Woooah .... I just stuck my Blue KIWI though my BAE 1073D into my new BLA Bluey. Crikey, that sounds "like a record" Those Bluey compressors are great for tracking! I've always reached for a Retro STA or Therm Phoenix thinking an 1176 is too OTT for tracking but to my surprise the Bluey is actually very forgiving and very surprisingly smooth! And it doesn't have £200 worth of tubes to wear out - the Retro STA defiantly has running costs! Darn it, now I want to try different 76's .... I really cannot afford more gear at the moment!! Sorry I went off topic to my own thread  |
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 30, 2024 4:56:01 GMT -6
I’m going to echo a lot of what was already said. For a 47 on a budget I would grab the WA47. I thought it sounded really good for the price, and even preferred it to the Peluso 2247SE I had owned. I made a video showcasing it. I always liked my BLUE Bottle Rocket Stage II (tube version) with the B7 capsule too. That was my 47 style mic for years. If you find one locally at a good price, that could work. See below. These two videos are very much connected and showcase the WA47, SAE48, FleA 47, and BLUE Bottle Rocket Stage II.
WA47 vs BLUE Bottle Rocket Stage II w/ B7 Capsule
SAE48 vs FleA 47 vs BLUE Bottle Rocket Stage II w/ B7 Capsule
I believe Chad uses a different capsule now, but this should give you the idea. If it doesn’t have to be a tube mic, maybe look at the ADK Munich 7T FET mic.
The BLUE Kiwi is a great mic. Grab a Demeter VTMP-2 and use it in place of the 1073, and it’s just a ridiculous sound. I have the AMS 1073 and the Kiwi works well with it, but through a tube preamp like the VTMP, it’s a new world of fantastic.
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 30, 2024 5:23:13 GMT -6
I’m going to echo a lot of what was already said. For a 47 on a budget I would grab the WA47. I thought it sounded really good for the price, and even preferred it to the Peluso 2247SE I had owned. I made a video showcasing it. I always liked my BLUE Bottle Rocket Stage II (tube version) with the B7 capsule too. That was my 47 style mic for years. If you find one locally at a good price, that could work. See below. These two videos are very much connected and showcase the WA47, SAE48, FleA 47, and BLUE Bottle Rocket Stage II. I believe Chad uses a different capsule now, but this should give you the idea. If it doesn’t have to be a tube mic, maybe look at the ADK Munich 7T FET mic. The BLUE Kiwi is a great mic. Grab a Demeter VTMP-2 and use it in place of the 1073, and it’s just a ridiculous sound. I have the AMS 1073 and the Kiwi works well with it, but through a tube preamp like the VTMP, it’s a new world of fantastic. Great videos - thank you. Actually the BAE 1073D sounds fantastic with the Kiwi - the EQ on the BAE is fabulous - I engaged the HPF and knocked down a few dB with the 220Hz and it gives the Kiwi some upper mid push/reveal - sounds great. My Wunder CM7 sounds truly amazing with my Coil CA-70s - but again I keep these expensive tube units for "keeper" tracks - NOS tubes has gotten very expensive to replace! I also have a Millennia STT-1 - although the tube channel on that is great with instruments I'm not keen on my vocals. Demeter VTMP-2 - this is a really nice hybrid tube pre - I happen to know Sting uses this pre for his vocals - they're great units - I'm sure I'd love it too! So many options At this point I'm going to use my Blue KIWI > BAE 1073D > Bluey for tracking guide vocals in my studio. And I think I'll get a Warm WA-47 for my writing room - it sounds very impressive on your video! (as does your voice!!) |
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Post by karlo on Oct 30, 2024 8:49:44 GMT -6
I second the gefell suggestion. Otherwise, life is short, just use the Wunder and the money saved can buy spare tubes?
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 30, 2024 9:46:22 GMT -6
I second the gefell suggestion. Otherwise, life is short, just use the Wunder and the money saved can buy spare tubes? I have "wundered " how many hours an EF14 on average will last? I bought a spare A++ rated EF14 from Mike in 2020 and back then it cost me with import duty etc £400 ($520) |
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Post by karlo on Oct 30, 2024 11:04:04 GMT -6
I second the gefell suggestion. Otherwise, life is short, just use the Wunder and the money saved can buy spare tubes? I have "wundered " how many hours an EF14 on average will last? I bought a spare A++ rated EF14 from Mike in 2020 and back then it cost me with import duty etc £400 ($520) What if the current toob last you another 20 or even 30 years of daily use? It would seem like a waste to not use the mic maybe? Sorry, I’m just playing Satan’s little advocate, I get it - 500 bones for a toob is nothing to laugh at. |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 30, 2024 11:45:15 GMT -6
Worthy thought. Yet… If possible why not get something “right” from the “Get Go”? (Including stock Circuitry rather than modding)* Usually the Capsule alone, will set a glass ceiling on potential to begin with. Chris *I ended up not modding my Oktava 219 or 58 due to other existing options. Disagree, in the Warm 47 case, as I believe, Chad designed the mike while at Warm to a price point, so knows exactly what to upgrade. I had a stock Warm and the build quality was very good. It’s an interesting option, but I understand the UK import issue. My opinion honestly is partly based on two Warms I tested. Both the “251’s”. One had an anemic/sub standard capsule. Other one a bit better but not as good as… The other 2 I tried sounded “nice”br] 3U Capsules tend to be slightly veiled to begin with. They don’t quite have the Clarity of Ben’s or Eric Heiserman’s capsules. IMHO the Warm 47 Tube stock (if QC’d well  ) is a fine “Character Mic”. Definitely not the first grab for “Modern Vocals”.. FWIW I have an exceptional Octava 319.* That I love on my “Raspy” vocals. All of my vocal mics below BU67/U195/Elly Studio… Are relegated to Character Roles now. LOLl! Chris *For a 319/219. Had a Warm 47jr. Kinda wonky Circuit. Thought the Tube version was better that way. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 30, 2024 12:17:26 GMT -6
I was just taking about the warm tube: have read a description by Chad of what he does: thought it would kick the mike up a notch for not crazy money. I think he keeps the stock cap, but you could always get another if you wanted .
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Post by moeses on Oct 30, 2024 12:56:53 GMT -6
I just remembered I've got a Rode NTV I had forum member Bowie sell me a lovely new NOS tube for - it's nice on a few things like pop acoustic guitar and guitar cabs for a certain funky clean. But I'm not sure the edge terminated capsule really suits my voice. I've also got a BLUE Kiwi and an AEA R92 .... but I tend to keep them in the mic locker when not in use as the R92 is quite delicate and BLUE Kiwi's are now unobtanium to buy new. I'm still thinking the Warm 47 might just be the ticket. I love the rode ntk I know that's an unpopular opinion but it's a great mic imo |
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Post by hadaja on Oct 30, 2024 13:20:07 GMT -6
Another vote for BArbaric +1 I have the Barbaric 47/49 with the Heiserman M7 capsule. Its just Cardioid but Its a mic I will not sell. It sounds as a good as my SAE in its own way. |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 30, 2024 15:42:42 GMT -6
Theoretically quiet week/next week work wise… Will try to record some decent Elly Studio vocals. To show Ben’s 47 capsule off. Ketchup on this Thread tonight, after work/Chess Club! |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 30, 2024 15:43:26 GMT -6
I just remembered I've got a Rode NTV I had forum member Bowie sell me a lovely new NOS tube for - it's nice on a few things like pop acoustic guitar and guitar cabs for a certain funky clean. But I'm not sure the edge terminated capsule really suits my voice. I've also got a BLUE Kiwi and an AEA R92 .... but I tend to keep them in the mic locker when not in use as the R92 is quite delicate and BLUE Kiwi's are now unobtanium to buy new. I'm still thinking the Warm 47 might just be the ticket. I love the rode ntk I know that's an unpopular opinion but it's a great mic imo Audio clips? IIRC The Bee Gees did a bit of Recording on one of those models/90’s. Chris |
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Post by teejay on Oct 30, 2024 16:02:11 GMT -6
Another vote for BArbaric +1 I have the Barbaric 47/49 with the Heiserman M7 capsule. Its just Cardioid but Its a mic I will not sell. It sounds as a good as my SAE in its own way. I’ve had interest in Barbaric for quite a while. Just can’t get over the aesthetics of those silver metal labels. |
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Post by moeses on Oct 30, 2024 16:36:40 GMT -6
I love the rode ntk I know that's an unpopular opinion but it's a great mic imo Audio clips? IIRC The Bee Gees did a bit of Recording on one of those models/90’s. Chris I haven't used one in 21 years but I'll see if I have one of those old songs online It was probably squashed to hell with an L2 lol Hope this works www.instagram.com/reel/CzSSe2DpvIR/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== |
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Post by recordingengineer on Oct 30, 2024 19:04:35 GMT -6
I’ve had interest in Barbaric for quite a while. Just can’t get over the aesthetics of those silver metal labels. Ask for none… He’ll have no problem at all eliminating them for you. If you grab a used one, I wonder if it’ll mess with the finish to pull them off. I’ll have to ask him! |
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) is a fine “Character Mic”. Definitely not the first grab for “Modern Vocals”..
