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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 23, 2024 9:28:25 GMT -6
that I wasn't doing...and it works really well.
Sometimes I felt like I'd have to compromise the tuning because of the way the singer hit the note or trailed off. With the correction tools, Pitch Drift and Pitch Modulation, they obviously do different things, but it would be a combo of using the two, but using the drift tool wouldn't get it there quite enough but then the mod tool can basically flatten everything out and it sounds over corrected.
Well - maybe everyone knew this but me, but if you have a crazy waveform - say where some one was sharp at the entry and flat at the exit and all squiggly in the middle (I get a lot of "non-singers)...if you chop the very beginning of the blob/line where it starts coming down from being sharp and then cut the end where it starts to go flat, you can then tune the middle a lot straighter with the mod tool. Then slightly bring the front and back closer into pitch by moving them...and IMO, it's a ton more natural sounding than just trying to manipulate the entire thing. And I'm not talking about gracenotes or bends into the note (you obviously cut those too)...this is talking about a single note that wavers pretty badly. YMMV
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Post by chessparov on Oct 23, 2024 10:37:34 GMT -6
Just curious John. Do some of the “non-Singers” know how well YOU sing? (Even Jimmy Webb had Glen Campbell  ) You’re a great “Hired Gun” too…  Chris |
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Post by svart on Oct 23, 2024 12:25:32 GMT -6
Yeah I tend to go back and do a lot of chopping in Melodyne for similar reasons. It does seem to make a big difference.
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Post by copperx on Oct 23, 2024 12:58:17 GMT -6
Yup. I suggest you to watch all the Melodyne training videos; they cover this and other tricks to get more natural results.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 24, 2024 15:33:23 GMT -6
Just curious John. Do some of the “non-Singers” know how well YOU sing? (Even Jimmy Webb had Glen Campbell ) You’re a great “Hired Gun” too… Chris I never borrow trouble...lol |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Oct 24, 2024 16:08:37 GMT -6
I chop off the beginning and end of everything and never touch them. Usually lots of chopping in between as well before messing with anything else. Makes it sounds WAY more realistic.
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 25, 2024 1:35:28 GMT -6
Just curious John. Do some of the “non-Singers” know how well YOU sing? (Even Jimmy Webb had Glen Campbell ) You’re a great “Hired Gun” too… Chris I never borrow trouble...lol |
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Post by drumsound on Oct 25, 2024 9:52:17 GMT -6
that I wasn't doing...and it works really well. Sometimes I felt like I'd have to compromise the tuning because of the way the singer hit the note or trailed off. With the correction tools, Pitch Drift and Pitch Modulation, they obviously do different things, but it would be a combo of using the two, but using the drift tool wouldn't get it there quite enough but then the mod tool can basically flatten everything out and it sounds over corrected. Well - maybe everyone knew this but me, but if you have a crazy waveform - say where some one was sharp at the entry and flat at the exit and all squiggly in the middle (I get a lot of "non-singers)...if you chop the very beginning of the blob/line where it starts coming down from being sharp and then cut the end where it starts to go flat, you can then tune the middle a lot straighter with the mod tool. Then slightly bring the front and back closer into pitch by moving them...and IMO, it's a ton more natural sounding than just trying to manipulate the entire thing. And I'm not talking about gracenotes or bends into the note (you obviously cut those too)...this is talking about a single note that wavers pretty badly. YMMV Is there a keyboard shortcut, or to you have to switch tools to do this? |
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Post by bluesholyman on Oct 25, 2024 9:57:10 GMT -6
When I sing, I chop off the beginning, end, and middle, then hire someone who knows what they are doing - I found that works the best for me.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 25, 2024 10:20:53 GMT -6
that I wasn't doing...and it works really well. Sometimes I felt like I'd have to compromise the tuning because of the way the singer hit the note or trailed off. With the correction tools, Pitch Drift and Pitch Modulation, they obviously do different things, but it would be a combo of using the two, but using the drift tool wouldn't get it there quite enough but then the mod tool can basically flatten everything out and it sounds over corrected. Well - maybe everyone knew this but me, but if you have a crazy waveform - say where some one was sharp at the entry and flat at the exit and all squiggly in the middle (I get a lot of "non-singers)...if you chop the very beginning of the blob/line where it starts coming down from being sharp and then cut the end where it starts to go flat, you can then tune the middle a lot straighter with the mod tool. Then slightly bring the front and back closer into pitch by moving them...and IMO, it's a ton more natural sounding than just trying to manipulate the entire thing. And I'm not talking about gracenotes or bends into the note (you obviously cut those too)...this is talking about a single note that wavers pretty badly. YMMV Is there a keyboard shortcut, or to you have to switch tools to do this? I've got shortcuts set up where keys 1,2,3,4 are my most used tools. So I can go pretty quickly. I've always cut grace notes going into a note, but this was different - cutting both sides, you can almost make the middle flat and you can't hear it. Not that you'd want to do that, but to me, it allows you to bascially draw like AT. |
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