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Post by mcirish on Oct 21, 2024 8:38:29 GMT -6
I have a friend who is shutting down his studio. he has an AKG414B-ULS for sale. What are they good for and what's a resonable price? For large diaphragm condensers, I have a lot of K47/M7 based mics (my favorite) as well as a couple B67-269, lots of AT mics (4050, 4060, 4047, etc), some Vanguard mis and I also have an ADK Cremona. I never warmed up to that one. It always seems a bit brighter than I'd like. Is the 414B-ULS very bright as well or just open sounding. Curious on opinions before I make him an offer.
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Post by sean on Oct 21, 2024 9:00:15 GMT -6
I'd say the ULS is the "flattest" of the 414 variants. Sort of like comparing a U87 to a U89. It's probably never going to wow you but it's a great utility microphone. I have 4 of them. I like them on toms especially, but I think they make nice overheads if you have overly bright cymbals, banjo, some vocals, room mics. Depending on the price, definitely worth owning. I know some aren't fans, but I use mine often.
If you come across them for a short time they made an AKG 414B-ULS TL (not TL II) which is a transformerless version and is a little "faster" and more "open" sounding.
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Post by mcirish on Oct 21, 2024 9:04:59 GMT -6
Thanks Sean
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Post by nnajar on Oct 21, 2024 9:39:34 GMT -6
yeah BULS is a great mic, I wish I still had mine. it's fairly flat and clean, terrific all purpose stick anywhere on anything mic. not bright at all.
I have a pair of tlm107 I use in that role these days and I'm really happy with them.
I think $500 is a stellar deal for a BULS, $6-800 is good, 9 and above is ok but maybe too much......
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Post by drbill on Oct 21, 2024 9:45:09 GMT -6
Bought one brand new back in the 90's. Even when I only had 3-4 mics - it never got used. Thought I'd use it more if I had a pair, so I bought a second. After another 10 years I sold both of em. They just never got used. They look cool though. If you can get em for under $300 I suppose they would be a good mic to have.
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Post by smashlord on Oct 21, 2024 9:47:36 GMT -6
Good utility mic. I'd pick it over the AT mics you mentioned for most things. I really like them on toms and they are pretty solid on guitar cab, acoustics, drum rooms, etc... Lot's of people love them on OHs (just OK to me there). Prices on Reverb are a bit inflated, IMO, for what they do. For a vintage mic that may have problems, $900-1K is a way too much. As another poster said, $600-800 is probably fair if it's in good shape.
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Post by phdamage on Oct 21, 2024 9:57:53 GMT -6
Perfectly fine utility mic but I hadn’t used my pair in years so sold them. For the money, I’d much rather have a Serrano 87 or U195
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Post by chessparov on Oct 21, 2024 10:22:05 GMT -6
Or just get a BZ C12a FET. If single Pattern is OK. Maybe sell the Cremona/get the Tube Multi-Pattern C12a? Chris
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Post by EmRR on Oct 21, 2024 10:46:02 GMT -6
414 is Glyn Johns bass amp mic of choice. My ULS lives there. Great on clean jazzish guitar amp. Won the shootout on a female singer with a lot of snotty upper resonance, all the 47/67 variants made it much worse. Sorta landed between there and the ribbons I tried. Cool on toms for sure. Solid for general utility work.
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Post by doubledog on Oct 21, 2024 10:47:38 GMT -6
I used a pair of 414b-uls for many years as drum overheads. I thought they did a great job there. I've used them as room mics, also banjo, acoustic guitar, and on vocals and in some cases it is the best mic for that singer. but I also recently sold them. One thing to watch for is the rotary switches for the patterns and pads. They can break (although apparently Derek at Vanguard loves to fix them lol). One of mine had a broken tab on the switch, but the switch was still able to move and function and it was only for the pad so I didn't use it much. Anyway, I found that I could get a similar drum overhead sound out of the Lauten Audio LA-220V2 mics (with the filter switches set) and they were way cheaper so I recently sold my 414s. I had been using the Lauten mics above the kit for a year thinking I would then use the 414s somewhere else, but I didn't and I hate to have mics just sitting around so if i don't use them, I move them and buy something else.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 21, 2024 10:50:49 GMT -6
Bought one brand new back in the 90's. Even when I only had 3-4 mics - it never got used. Thought I'd use it more if I had a pair, so I bought a second. After another 10 years I sold both of em. They just never got used. They look cool though. If you can get em for under $300 I suppose they would be a good mic to have. Under 300? (Sherman)“Hey Mr. Peabody” “Please fire up the Time Machine!”
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Post by drumsound on Oct 21, 2024 11:49:08 GMT -6
I had one for a while, and there was one singer that it worked best on. I didn't like it on many people's voice. I did like to borrow mjau 's so I could use a pair on overheads. I was to the point where it was either going to buy another, or sell the one I had, and I decided to sell it. That was quite a while back.
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Post by ericn on Oct 21, 2024 12:21:45 GMT -6
I'd say the ULS is the "flattest" of the 414 variants. Sort of like comparing a U87 to a U89. It's probably never going to wow you but it's a great utility microphone. I have 4 of them. I like them on toms especially, but I think they make nice overheads if you have overly bright cymbals, banjo, some vocals, room mics. Depending on the price, definitely worth owning. I know some aren't fans, but I use mine often. If you come across them for a short time they made an AKG 414B-ULS TL (not TL II) which is a transformerless version and is a little "faster" and more "open" sounding. The original TL is pretty rare but probably the best, the TL 2 has a very obvious mid bump.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 21, 2024 12:31:49 GMT -6
Even over Legendary Brass 414? Grasshopper asks.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 21, 2024 12:33:18 GMT -6
That awesome 1987 Studio Sound vocal mic survey has the 414 as:
tied for US/Canada male voice with U47, 3rd for female #3 worldwide male and female voice under 87 and 47 winner US/Canada male and female voice 2nd choice, winner worldwide for female. winner US/Canada BGV's
The SM-7 falls under 1% of the vote or "others". : )
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Post by drbill on Oct 21, 2024 13:10:01 GMT -6
Bought one brand new back in the 90's. Even when I only had 3-4 mics - it never got used. Thought I'd use it more if I had a pair, so I bought a second. After another 10 years I sold both of em. They just never got used. They look cool though. If you can get em for under $300 I suppose they would be a good mic to have. Under 300? (Sherman)“Hey Mr. Peabody” “Please fire up the Time Machine!” Thanks for making my point. At 1/2 of a "low going price" they are not worth it. IMO of course.
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Post by drbill on Oct 21, 2024 13:11:31 GMT -6
I was to the point where it was either going to buy another, or sell the one I had, and I decided to sell it. You are way smarter than I was. I doubled down before deciding to sell.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 21, 2024 14:32:17 GMT -6
I had a 414 TL with the c12 capsule in it back in the 90's, it sounded hifi, i liked it
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Post by drumsound on Oct 21, 2024 14:59:03 GMT -6
I was to the point where it was either going to buy another, or sell the one I had, and I decided to sell it. You are way smarter than I was. I doubled down before deciding to sell. I don't regret my decision.
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Post by ericn on Oct 21, 2024 15:29:40 GMT -6
Even over Legendary Brass 414? Grasshopper asks. So many of the original’s were Hacked for that brass Capsule or were work horses and suddenly have Nylons.
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Post by ericn on Oct 21, 2024 15:32:34 GMT -6
I had one for a while, and there was one singer that it worked best on. I didn't like it on many people's voice. I did like to borrow mjau 's so I could use a pair on overheads. I was to the point where it was either going to buy another, or sell the one I had, and I decided to sell it. That was quite a while back. A couple of big differences, when that Survey says 47 they mean the real deal not some clone because they didn’t exist. In 87 the SM7 was really considered just a broadcast mic. You would not see to many SM7’s outside radio in 87.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 21, 2024 16:18:37 GMT -6
NPR uses 87’s.
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Post by ericn on Oct 21, 2024 16:31:15 GMT -6
NPR uses 87’s. Depends on what you mean by NPR, in their central studios in DC, yes they do mostly, all the different public radio stations across the country use what they like. Who do you think sold a bunch of those 😁
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Post by drbill on Oct 21, 2024 18:00:42 GMT -6
Who do you think sold a bunch of those 😁 Guitar Center??
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Post by ericn on Oct 21, 2024 18:18:12 GMT -6
Who do you think sold a bunch of those 😁 Guitar Center?? May you be doomed to make your next 6 purchases with the newest counter dude, who keeps pushing the TC finalized😁
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