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Post by wendelgee2 on Oct 21, 2024 7:32:41 GMT -6
I would save the money and use the KSM 313 you already have. It was the first “nice” mic I ever bought and is stellar IMO. I do have a pair sE voodoo 1s as well and they are also really good. And, what about a Beyer M 160? I have one of them too. I like mics. 😂 I love the KSM313, but haven't gotten inspiring results on vocals. Solid, but not "that's enough to make me put away my tube condenser" level. It's my go-to on guitar cabs and trumpet, for sure. |
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Post by gwlee7 on Oct 21, 2024 10:09:47 GMT -6
Have you tried both sides of it? To be fair, I use my Gefell M92.1s on vocals. It's a nice tube condenser as well. Isn't it nice to be able to have options?  |
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Post by doubledog on Oct 21, 2024 10:51:41 GMT -6
I would save the money and use the KSM 313 you already have. It was the first “nice” mic I ever bought and is stellar IMO. I do have a pair sE voodoo 1s as well and they are also really good. And, what about a Beyer M 160? I have one of them too. I like mics. 😂 I love the KSM313, but haven't gotten inspiring results on vocals. Solid, but not "that's enough to make me put away my tube condenser" level. It's my go-to on guitar cabs and trumpet, for sure. I don't know if you are going to find most ribbons much more inspiring compared to a tube condenser unless you are going for a specific sound, or if you have a singer where the ribbon is what works (I have had to use on on a very sibilant female vocalist and it worked much better than a condenser there...). Also used one (a $100 Nady RSM-2 believe it or not) on a couple projects. One was a blues song where it just fit (and we pushed the preamp a bit too). The other was an old man playing banjo and singing riverboat songs. Again, it fit the mood. |
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Post by EmRR on Oct 21, 2024 12:05:55 GMT -6
I always go back to Jerry Garcia saying that ribbons work better for English and Neumanns work better for German given the emphasis in the language. Interesting perspective. The more agro/punk it gets the more German it may need to be, and vice versa.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 21, 2024 12:14:15 GMT -6
Sinatra at Columbia… 44 At Capitol 47/48 et al. At Reprise mainly Shure 546(!) Hmm… |
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Post by griffinpb on Oct 21, 2024 23:15:30 GMT -6
I really like the Hohm I have on vocals. It's a favorite with many rappers I work with, go figure. I really like ribbons (especially more modern ribbon designs) on rap vocals. Catches the richness of the voice in a larger than life manner, and the transient reproduction is natural. I've heard great things about the Alder H44 as well, the design principle is solid and the tuning looks like it would be great on vocals (among many other things). My next ribbon purchases will likely be a couple of Samars. Leaning towards the VL37 because it's both a showstopping beauty and the tuning is basically my platonic ideal for a ribbon microphone, but the AL95 is a downright steal of a deal plus I dig piston ribbons.
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Post by christophert on Oct 22, 2024 2:17:33 GMT -6
Sinatra at Columbia… 44 At Capitol 47/48 et al. At Reprise mainly Shure 546(!) Hmm… Frank was a master with mic technique. He could make an M49 sound like a 57.
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Post by frans on Oct 22, 2024 7:21:33 GMT -6
for the most bang for the buck under 1k: www.extinctaudio.co.uk/shop/The Beyer M500 is too much of a one trick pony for vocal work, even if ABBA used it a lot live. It gets a bit better with another output transformer, but as there are so many other mics to choose from... |
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Post by EmRR on Oct 22, 2024 7:37:04 GMT -6
for the most bang for the buck under 1k: www.extinctaudio.co.uk/shop/The Beyer M500 is too much of a one trick pony for vocal work, even if ABBA used it a lot live. It gets a bit better with another output transformer, but as there are so many other mics to choose from... If I were UK/EU the Extinct would be top of the list to check out. Great repair shop too (Xaudia), broad ribbon experience. They do short runs of some other interesting ribbons as well, the Berserker and 4033 recreations. |
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Post by Dan on Oct 22, 2024 9:03:36 GMT -6
I always go back to Jerry Garcia saying that ribbons work better for English and Neumanns work better for German given the emphasis in the language. Interesting perspective. The more agro/punk it gets the more German it may need to be, and vice versa. I remember Steve Albini saying Neumanns were the whiniest mics. I couldn’t hear it until someone I know miced his amp with a u87 for that effect and set it up to only sound right through the mic and very wrong with Shures and room mics. So much for the classic Neumann sound being the pinnacle of audio and decades of forum posts saying you need to get the right Neumann mic in optimal condition for the best sound proving to be to be crazy bullshit or lipstick on a pig when placed in front of many instruments and voices. No wonder Neumann moved away from their classic sound, causing the internet to get up in arms. It got in the way. |
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Post by wendelgee2 on Oct 22, 2024 10:27:19 GMT -6
Sinatra at Columbia… 44 At Capitol 47/48 et al. At Reprise mainly Shure 546(!) Hmm… This is why I'm here. Doing a real cheeseball crooning album and need that voice of god proximity effect + the soft top to take the edge off some of my nasality. My condenser is less forgiving. |
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Post by EmRR on Oct 22, 2024 11:09:51 GMT -6
44 might be your best friend!
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Post by Dan on Oct 22, 2024 11:14:53 GMT -6
Sinatra at Columbia… 44 At Capitol 47/48 et al. At Reprise mainly Shure 546(!) Hmm… This is why I'm here. Doing a real cheeseball crooning album and need that voice of god proximity effect + the soft top to take the edge off some of my nasality. My condenser is less forgiving. reverb and delay like brendan perry |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 22, 2024 12:04:55 GMT -6
BU67 MKII is great too!  Proper Breathing Method.., Minimizes “Nasal”. Check out the Lesson Thread. Chris P.S. Big Cloud 44 fan too. The Active with the Tone Switch. |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 22, 2024 13:58:05 GMT -6
New/around $1K or less also…
Heiserman Type 19
Beesneez Elly Producer (or smaller Oliver/Elly Studio FETs)
Oliver Tube.
Chris
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