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Post by skav on Oct 16, 2024 7:56:24 GMT -6
Without getting into the recent UA 'controversies',
but looking at UADs plugins vs other parties native offerings. Is UA still top or among the very top qualitywise?
I'm considering one of the bundles with that has been UADs most praised plugins.
Are you using and enjoying UAD plugins in 2024?
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Post by bgrotto on Oct 16, 2024 8:01:55 GMT -6
Without getting into the recent UA 'controversies', but looking at UADs plugins vs other parties native offerings. Is UA still top or among the very top qualitywise? I'm considering one of the bundles with that has been UADs most praised plugins. Are you using and enjoying UAD plugins in 2024? 1073 still gets regular use from me. Ditto the Pultec. The 1176s are only ok, but I haven't found much that's better per se, so if I'm not using hw, I'm usually going UAD on those too. I still quite like the ATR 102 plugin. Otherwise, not much. Kiive (and all of Eddie's various offshoots: Purafied, Undertone, Mix Land, etc) have surpassed UAD in my opinion pretty much across the board. And plugin alliance has been doing some really great stuff too, and the subscription model there actually feels like a proper good deal.
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Post by doubledog on Oct 16, 2024 8:48:12 GMT -6
I still use the compressors quite a bit when mixing. 33609, DBX 160, LA-2A, LA-3A, 1176, Distressor, sometimes the 175/176. Also some of the reverbs (Hitsville, Capitol Chambers, etc) that are pretty unique. I have a bunch of UAD plugins and for the most part I still really like them and use them. The things that have made me less likely to use one... 1) they can't decide on pricing 2) they only offer thunderbolt anymore, and cater to Mac 95% (vs 5% for Windows) so I'm out of the game 3) I found many of the same plugins were available (in native format) from PA or Softube directly at much less $ 4) UA support is dicey - a robot at best. So I've replaced my Apollo 16 but I'm keeping my PCIe Quad card (and plugins) for now, although many times I am using the native version of the plugin, if it exists.
I bought many of the UAD plugins thinking "I'll never be able to buy the real thing", and while that is still sometimes true, manufacturers like Stam and Audioscape, and a few others blur those lines with their clones. But they still cost a lot more than the plugins, and of course the sound is possibly a trade-off depending on how they are used (and sometimes the plugin sounds just as good - again depends on how it is being used - I know there are some things only hardware can do).
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Post by phantom on Oct 16, 2024 9:08:00 GMT -6
They are still good. But you do have alternatives nowadays that are equally as good, or better in some cases.
Overall, UAD plugins are a pretty safe choice. They will never be bad.
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Post by skav on Oct 16, 2024 9:20:52 GMT -6
I still use the compressors quite a bit when mixing. 33609, DBX 160, LA-2A, LA-3A, 1176, sometimes the 175/176. Also some of the reverbs (Hitsville, Capitol Chambers, etc) that are pretty unique. I have a bunch of UAD plugins and for the most part I still really like them and use them. The things that have made me less likely to use one... 1) they can't decide on pricing 2) they only offer thunderbolt anymore, so I'm out of the game 3) I found many of the same plugins were available (in native format) from PA or Softube directly at much less $ 4) UA support is dicey. So I've replaced my Apollo 16 but I'm keeping my PCIe Quad card (and plugins) for now, although many times I am using the native version of the plugin, if it exists. I bought many of the UAD plugins thinking "I'll never be able to buy the real thing", and while that is still sometimes true, manufacturers like Stam and Audioscape, and a few others blur those lines with their clones. But they still cost a lot more than the plugins, and of course the sound is possibly a trade-off depending on how they are used (and sometimes the plugin sounds just as good - again depends on how it is being used - I know there are some things only hardware can do). Would you sell the Quad satellite if you did not lose the plugins?
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Post by skav on Oct 16, 2024 9:22:58 GMT -6
Without getting into the recent UA 'controversies', but looking at UADs plugins vs other parties native offerings. Is UA still top or among the very top qualitywise? I'm considering one of the bundles with that has been UADs most praised plugins. Are you using and enjoying UAD plugins in 2024? 1073 still gets regular use from me. Ditto the Pultec. The 1176s are only ok, but I haven't found much that's better per se, so if I'm not using hw, I'm usually going UAD on those too. I still quite like the ATR 102 plugin. Otherwise, not much. Kiive (and all of Eddie's various offshoots: Purafied, Undertone, Mix Land, etc) have surpassed UAD in my opinion pretty much across the board. And plugin alliance has been doing some really great stuff too, and the subscription model there actually feels like a proper good deal. Eddie, a plugin developer? Which plugins have they surpassed for you?
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Post by bgrotto on Oct 16, 2024 9:34:14 GMT -6
1073 still gets regular use from me. Ditto the Pultec. The 1176s are only ok, but I haven't found much that's better per se, so if I'm not using hw, I'm usually going UAD on those too. I still quite like the ATR 102 plugin. Otherwise, not much. Kiive (and all of Eddie's various offshoots: Purafied, Undertone, Mix Land, etc) have surpassed UAD in my opinion pretty much across the board. And plugin alliance has been doing some really great stuff too, and the subscription model there actually feels like a proper good deal. Eddie, a plugin developer? Which plugins have they surpassed for you? Eddie is the developer behind Kiive, and several other companies’ products. His compression and saturation chops are a cut above that of UAD. Check his stuff out if you’re not familiar.
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Post by drumsound on Oct 16, 2024 9:43:17 GMT -6
I do use the UAD stuff quite a bit. I have a couple of presets I've made that work well across different mixes. They are my starting points for some things. My SSL BD preset gets me close and then I tweak for the song at hand. Same with API Vision on snare. I love Capital and Ocean Way, and I'm not a big reverb fan. I tried a reverb I forgot I had (because gwlee7 bought it and I traded his system) and it worked out OK. I love the 1176 blue stripe on vocal smash. Benny mentioned the 1073 and I do think it is excellent. When I use it it's usually a short time involved to get a great sound. The Chandler Zener is my drum parallel (it is available natively from Softube, but the artist presets probably arent). The Helios has been pretty hit or miss for me. I might like the Waves better...Blasphemy I know. I think both the SSL and API Vision are fun to put in the first slot and work them as if you're on a console. For that I prefer the API, but the SSL does what I've always considered the SSL thing based on records I know that were mixed by SSL guys.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 16, 2024 10:50:47 GMT -6
I still use the compressors quite a bit when mixing. 33609, DBX 160, LA-2A, LA-3A, 1176, sometimes the 175/176. Also some of the reverbs (Hitsville, Capitol Chambers, etc) that are pretty unique. I have a bunch of UAD plugins and for the most part I still really like them and use them. The things that have made me less likely to use one... 1) they can't decide on pricing 2) they only offer thunderbolt anymore, so I'm out of the game 3) I found many of the same plugins were available (in native format) from PA or Softube directly at much less $ 4) UA support is dicey. So I've replaced my Apollo 16 but I'm keeping my PCIe Quad card (and plugins) for now, although many times I am using the native version of the plugin, if it exists. I bought many of the UAD plugins thinking "I'll never be able to buy the real thing", and while that is still sometimes true, manufacturers like Stam and Audioscape, and a few others blur those lines with their clones. But they still cost a lot more than the plugins, and of course the sound is possibly a trade-off depending on how they are used (and sometimes the plugin sounds just as good - again depends on how it is being used - I know there are some things only hardware can do). Would you sell the Quad satellite if you did not lose the plugins? You only lose those tethered to the satellite: you can keep what you purchased. Or check how many UA plugs you regularly use and see how many are native: could sell outright and rebuy a native bundle like Signature on sale, worked out well here.
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Post by drsax on Oct 16, 2024 10:58:35 GMT -6
UAD plugins are still my favorite alongside Fab Filter.
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Post by vvvooojjj on Oct 16, 2024 11:03:39 GMT -6
Distressor, Api Vision and 480 see regular use. AMS RMX/DMX, SDD-3000, DBX160, Pultec and 76A from time to time.
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Post by smashlord on Oct 16, 2024 11:05:22 GMT -6
UAD stuff is still in the upper echelon of plugs, IMO. The verbs are good, the Pultecs are great, and I think they have the most accurate Distressor plugin.
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Post by ericn on Oct 16, 2024 11:13:18 GMT -6
Context is everything, are there better versions of about 90% of UA’s offerings in 2024? Yes, but you’re going to be hunting for individual plugins and won’t get all the deals. Viewed as an ecosystem UAD is hard to beat, add in deals and coupons very hard to beat.
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Post by doubledog on Oct 16, 2024 11:42:05 GMT -6
I still use the compressors quite a bit when mixing. 33609, DBX 160, LA-2A, LA-3A, 1176, sometimes the 175/176. Also some of the reverbs (Hitsville, Capitol Chambers, etc) that are pretty unique. I have a bunch of UAD plugins and for the most part I still really like them and use them. The things that have made me less likely to use one... 1) they can't decide on pricing 2) they only offer thunderbolt anymore, so I'm out of the game 3) I found many of the same plugins were available (in native format) from PA or Softube directly at much less $ 4) UA support is dicey. So I've replaced my Apollo 16 but I'm keeping my PCIe Quad card (and plugins) for now, although many times I am using the native version of the plugin, if it exists. I bought many of the UAD plugins thinking "I'll never be able to buy the real thing", and while that is still sometimes true, manufacturers like Stam and Audioscape, and a few others blur those lines with their clones. But they still cost a lot more than the plugins, and of course the sound is possibly a trade-off depending on how they are used (and sometimes the plugin sounds just as good - again depends on how it is being used - I know there are some things only hardware can do). Would you sell the Quad satellite if you did not lose the plugins? I actually have a PCIe card (not the satellite), which is another reason I have a desktop PC... So as long as UA continues to support it (which they kind of barely do) or at least does not break it, then I'll likely keep using it (it's working fine right now with the 11.4 bundle). When I sell my Apollo 16 (which was replaced by the Orion 32+), I'll keep the plugins on my PCIe card. That also allows me to keep using the native plugins (at least I sure hope so - I haven't removed the Apollo 16 from my account yet, but it's supposed to work that way). So even if I could not use the card, I think I could still continue using the native plugins (although I would lose access to a lot of DSP plugins that I have). If I sold the interface and the card, then there would be no reason to have UAD-2 DSP plugins anymore, so maybe I'm not really understanding the question?
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 16, 2024 12:39:14 GMT -6
I can confirm that using native plug ins does not require you to keep ua hardware.
Be aware, tethered plug ins, those that came with a hardware device automatically transfer to new owner uad2 AND uadX.
You can retain any plugs you purchased and run only the native versions of those, if you have no hardware.
Again, I’d recommend inventorying which plugs you actually use and confirming which of those are native.
Review how many of those are in which ua bundles, for example Signature was on sale last Christmas below $200 usd, so there is an argument for selling everything for highest price and buying back native , when on sale.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 16, 2024 13:13:25 GMT -6
I only have Pure Plate/LA-2a collection that came with my Volt 1. Combined with its “Vintage Button. (Along with a few other Plugs)… Already more than enough to screw up my Vocals. Chris P.S. Honorable Mention… MJUCjr/Relab Essentials 480/Radiator/Little Radiator)
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Post by notneeson on Oct 16, 2024 13:54:11 GMT -6
I find myself using their 1176 but not the LA2A for whatever reason. I think that’s all I own.
I have the Pulsar 1178 too and it’s just different. Something about the UAD is more evocative of my time with hardware, but also I agree that it’s not like, amazing it anything. (Which would be a fair expectation considering how much people used to hype UAD).
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 16, 2024 13:54:25 GMT -6
They’re still amongst my favourite plug-ins.
Their recent offerings have been fantastic imho.
(Ok don’t mention those 3 new amp sim plug-ins …. a bit meh)
But the Hitsville EQ and reverb - I think they’re fabulous.
I really like the 176B compressor and I’m still using the 1073, la2a’s, 1176’s etc and all the fx reverbs, delays and modulation plug-ins are great.
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Post by jono3 on Oct 16, 2024 14:10:59 GMT -6
I am not thrilled with how they handled the transition to their new pricing model, but I like having the native and DSP options so I can use as much of whatever as I want. I feel like I can trust UAD plugins to do what they are supposed to do without issue. I am not as plussed on them as I once was because there are lots of good options now (I dont think there were as many a few years ago), but they are still excellent and essential tools.
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Post by bossanova on Oct 16, 2024 14:24:34 GMT -6
I use the LA2A, 1176-A, Dimension D, CE-1 (Brigade Chorus) and 224 regularly, all native. If you can get in on a bundle on sale, and don’t mind being tethered to UA Connect, they’re a good value.
On the other hand, if you have options you already like they’re probably serving you just fine.
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Post by phdamage on Oct 16, 2024 14:31:09 GMT -6
i still use my UAD plugs often, but I feel like that's mostly to save my CPU and use my Octo instead - especially on giant projects (my comp is a beast but no match for 150+ channels and 80 min long projects).
I would definitely miss Ocean Way, but not much else. I do like their 1176s. not that I've A/B'd them to others, I just know how to get something I like quickly with them. I do use those, the pultec, EMT140 and the massenberg eq (I know I can have native) on every session. sometimes the LA2A or LA3A, others here and there. funny cuz i own an awful lot of them
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Post by wiz on Oct 16, 2024 14:48:05 GMT -6
UAD plugins are still my favorite alongside Fab Filter. Ditto
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Post by Quint on Oct 16, 2024 15:06:01 GMT -6
Despite my issues with the company itself, I'm keeping the UAD plugins I own. I already paid for them, and would get pennies on the dollar trying to sell them anyway. Also, I genuinely like quite a few of the plugins, especially the reverb and delays. For those plugins that run on DSP only, I'll probably always keep a Satellite or Apollo around to be able to run those. I just don't think UA will probably continue to be the center of my system going forward, like it was before, as I don't want the center of my system based around a company I don't trust. Eggs are definitely getting taken out of that basket.
But the reverbs and delays? Yeah, for sure. And some of the comps and eqs too, though it's more hit or miss there, as there are definitely other plugin makers which have bested UA there these days, especially compared to the older UAD comps and eqs.
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Post by Mister Chase on Oct 16, 2024 16:33:18 GMT -6
Still use and enjoy my UAD plugs. I made records with them years ago that still sound great to me, so why would that change now? Many of them are very useful and sound good or great.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Oct 16, 2024 17:12:35 GMT -6
My reverbs, delays, rooms, are very UAD dominated. Capitol Chambers is gold.
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