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Post by tasteliketape on Sept 18, 2024 2:47:31 GMT -6
At around 15:00 in this interview Vance starts talking mixing in the box . He states when using parallel compression he move all his parallel comp aux tracks
to the left in session or start of session. Pro tools delay compensation works from left to right ? I I’ve never heard this before anyone else do this ,did I just miss the. Memo? lol
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Post by doubledog on Sept 18, 2024 6:57:42 GMT -6
never heard that before and not sure it's accurate. At least not with a current version of PT.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 18, 2024 7:16:27 GMT -6
Wait..what now? Am I describing what he’s saying correctly? He’s saying he sets up one AUX to serve as the main BUS. Everything is (ultimately) routed to it like a master. Then he adds his tracks but all AUXs are on the left side (or just parallel tracks) “Pro Tools works left to right?” I end up sending everything to one bus anyway and then to the master…so maybe I already do this. But someone translate what he’s saying.
Parallel HAS been weird for me occasionally. Like sometimes it can get screwy if I’m pushing the limits of the delay comp. For instance - a drum bus. All my tracks are routed to a Dum Bus. Sometimes, I’ll add a parallel bus that I can mix in. If the Drumbus has too much delay, it can throw the parallel out of time. I sometimes will have to freeze/commit my kick track (or several of the plugs) because DL is pretty intense. Then the parallel bus will pop into time. That’s the only regular usage of parallel compression I use, so not really an issue elsewhere.
Maybe what I’m hearing isn’t dead nuts in time…IDK.
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Post by theshea on Sept 18, 2024 7:46:25 GMT -6
how come a daw like PT in 2024 is still not delay compensation proof?!
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Post by andersmv on Sept 18, 2024 8:35:42 GMT -6
I wouldn't be surprised if this is true, especially in the fluster cluck that is the newer PT versions. I had so many problems when I tried a Carbon, it kind of broke my brain trying to troubleshoot and I gave up...
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 18, 2024 9:07:18 GMT -6
I wouldn't be surprised if this is true, especially in the fluster cluck that is the newer PT versions. I had so many problems when I tried a Carbon, it kind of broke my brain trying to troubleshoot and I gave up... What are you using these days? I’m still faster in PT than anything else…so man it would be a pain to change. |
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Post by andersmv on Sept 18, 2024 9:13:16 GMT -6
I'm still using my Apollo x8p for an interface. I've run Apollos since they first came out, having all the plug-ins to track/print through (especially the tape plug-ins) is part of my identity at this point  . I'm sure the day will come, I doubt I'm going to jump on board for whatever comes next. I'm happy with it for now. I was to a point two years ago where I was buying up a bunch of hardware and doing a complicated integration with my API Box Console. I wanted to go back to the HD TDM days, as that was what I was used to working on with larger consoles in the past. I thought the Carbon would be similar being able to offset hardware and delay compensation, I just didn't have a good experience with it unfortunately. I also ended up selling most of my hardware and about to sell the console. I'm simplifying things significantly here, "back to the basics"... |
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 18, 2024 9:14:08 GMT -6
My mix templates have an instance of proQ3 on every single channel at maximum linear phase(in bypass)which zero’s out the delay compensation allowing me to start over, been doing that for years as pt studio has had a limit on how much delay compensation it will allow, once you hit that wall you are in for mayhem, it’s actually complete bullshit and one of the many reasons I’m switching to logic
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Post by andersmv on Sept 18, 2024 9:20:03 GMT -6
I messed around with a cool hardware parallel compression chain on my mix bus for a bit here. I set it up to work all on my console outside of ProTools, I was too paranoid to try and get that to work ITB...
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 18, 2024 10:16:06 GMT -6
Anyone remember the name of that plugin that would "ping" and set delay compensation for you? Man they never made that easy, i remember back in the early digi 001 days dropping a bunch of time and $ thinking i was going to get a sweet bedroom setup only to find it was a completely unusable waste of time, the latency on that stuff during tracking in retrospect was laughable but at the time i felt like i'd been defrauded, not like it was cheap back then either
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Post by tasteliketape on Sept 18, 2024 11:00:06 GMT -6
Anyone remember the name of that plugin that would "ping" and set delay compensation for you? Man they never made that easy, i remember back in the early digi 001 days dropping a bunch of time and $ thinking i was going to get a sweet bedroom setup only to find it was a completely unusable waste of time, the latency on that stuff during tracking in retrospect was laughable but at the time i felt like i'd been defrauded, not like it was cheap back then either |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 18, 2024 11:14:21 GMT -6
I'm still using my Apollo x8p for an interface. I've run Apollos since they first came out, having all the plug-ins to track/print through (especially the tape plug-ins) is part of my identity at this point . I'm sure the day will come, I doubt I'm going to jump on board for whatever comes next. I'm happy with it for now. I was to a point two years ago where I was buying up a bunch of hardware and doing a complicated integration with my API Box Console. I wanted to go back to the HD TDM days, as that was what I was used to working on with larger consoles in the past. I thought the Carbon would be similar being able to offset hardware and delay compensation, I just didn't have a good experience with it unfortunately. I also ended up selling most of my hardware and about to sell the console. I'm simplifying things significantly here, "back to the basics"... Are you finding you can get to the same place with much less hardware and a hybrid approach? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 18, 2024 11:16:04 GMT -6
My mix templates have an instance of proQ3 on every single channel at maximum linear phase(in bypass)which zero’s out the delay compensation allowing me to start over, been doing that for years as pt studio has had a limit on how much delay compensation it will allow, once you hit that wall you are in for mayhem, it’s actually complete bullshit and one of the many reasons I’m switching to logic What now? I don't understand what the point is to adding a plug and then bypassing it. You mean you don't think PT reads DC correctly unless you put those on? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 18, 2024 11:18:28 GMT -6
Anyone remember the name of that plugin that would "ping" and set delay compensation for you? Man they never made that easy, i remember back in the early digi 001 days dropping a bunch of time and $ thinking i was going to get a sweet bedroom setup only to find it was a completely unusable waste of time, the latency on that stuff during tracking in retrospect was laughable but at the time i felt like i'd been defrauded, not like it was cheap back then either OK - so this takes over the ADC for the DAW? And does a better job of it? I'm so confused. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 18, 2024 11:21:48 GMT -6
And let me get this straight...he's saying that the literal positioning of the tracks within the MIX/EDIT windows makes a difference in the ADC? I know it's Vance Powell...but that's...dubious. I would gladly stand corrected, though.
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Post by tasteliketape on Sept 18, 2024 11:40:10 GMT -6
OK - so this takes over the ADC for the DAW? And does a better job of it? I'm so confused. I’ve never had much luck with this plugin , but never really gave it much of a try. |
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Post by tasteliketape on Sept 18, 2024 11:41:21 GMT -6
And let me get this straight...he's saying that the literal positioning of the tracks within the MIX/EDIT windows makes a difference in the ADC? I know it's Vance Powell...but that's...dubious. I would gladly stand corrected, though. This is exactly my reason for posting! As you said it’s Vance , if it wasn’t I’d really question this and do anyway |
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Post by damoongo on Sept 18, 2024 11:42:41 GMT -6
I know it's Vance Powell...but that's...dubious. I would gladly stand corrected, though. Indeed |
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Post by drbill on Sept 18, 2024 14:09:22 GMT -6
I've never had an "order" in the tracks make any difference in the delay compensation / latency in PT. Two caveats though - I'm on HDX2, and I only have 2 grammy's, so..... GRAIN OF SALT.....  |
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Post by ericn on Sept 18, 2024 15:14:56 GMT -6
I've never had an "order" in the tracks make any difference in the delay compensation / latency in PT. Two caveats though - I'm on HDX2, and I only have 2 grammy's, so..... GRAIN OF SALT..... It’s the statues, they each need to be directly on axis of a monitor, because HDX is nothing without those recording academy dongles 😁 Of course you know you can’t upgrade to HDX3 without another Grammy😎 |
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Post by geoff738 on Sept 18, 2024 15:25:28 GMT -6
Any chance Vance is just messing with us?
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by drumsound on Sept 18, 2024 15:29:09 GMT -6
Any chance Vance is just messing with us? Cheers, Geoff It's possible, he's a funny guy. |
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Post by copperx on Sept 18, 2024 15:49:20 GMT -6
At around 15:00 in this interview Vance starts talking mixing in the box . He states when using parallel compression he move all his parallel comp aux tracks to the left in session or start of session. Pro tools delay compensation works from left to right ? I I’ve never heard this before anyone else do this ,did I just miss the. Memo? lol
Big if true.
I thought that was the one redeeming quality of ProTools HDX. If it is not, what's the point? |
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Post by drbill on Sept 18, 2024 15:49:25 GMT -6
Of course you know you can’t upgrade to HDX3 without another Grammy😎  |
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Post by recordingengineer on Sept 18, 2024 16:11:50 GMT -6
I still need to watch, but are we sure he’s not just talking about the way he likes his PT layout? tasteliketape’s description at the start of the thread makes it kinda sound like that.
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. I'm sure the day will come, I doubt I'm going to jump on board for whatever comes next. I'm happy with it for now. I was to a point two years ago where I was buying up a bunch of hardware and doing a complicated integration with my API Box Console. I wanted to go back to the HD TDM days, as that was what I was used to working on with larger consoles in the past. I thought the Carbon would be similar being able to offset hardware and delay compensation, I just didn't have a good experience with it unfortunately. 
