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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 11, 2024 14:07:26 GMT -6
at basically half price. It was Ben Fold's...and I guess he just wanted to move them...because I basically got them half off of what they are new. One hadn't even been opened. So...good fortune for me. Just couldn't pass it up, now I gotta figure out how to pay lol. And I'm SO glad I did. They're the most balanced pre I can think of - where they can be flat and uncolored at low gain and then you can crank for color and use EQ. (I know that is supposed to describe all pres) I swear there's something to the 32V PS. The next electronics class I teach will be my first, but I do have ears...and there's something about these on my vocal that just sounds like it's not being pushed. You guys know - but I had one of these (mono) a year or so ago. I got all huffy about having $3500 wrapped up in ONE mic pre/EQ, so I thought I could replace and be happy. But ever since, I've been using different 1073 iterations...and I just can't get happy with a vocal. They just sound "tight" or "hot" or "cooked" or something saturationy...and I think it has something to do with the mids and how my voice makes them. Anyway - here are two acoustic clips using the 0011 and SAE U-48. I'll add a vocal when I get a sec. Acoustic SAE U48 into H2 0011 No Verb - drive.google.com/file/d/1-iT8Q5TvZjhSAiGD8itQ5oTJAWQ0rvjp/view?usp=sharingSAE U48 into H2 0011 With Verb - drive.google.com/file/d/1ALizlYJej12nYS9m28qpmYNGnvWDYiYu/view?usp=sharingVocal
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 11, 2024 14:41:49 GMT -6
at basically half price. It was Ben Fold's...and I guess he just wanted to move them...because I basically got them half off of what they are new. One hadn't even been opened. So...good fortune for me. Just couldn't pass it up, now I gotta figure out how to pay lol. And I'm SO glad I did. They're the most balanced pre I can think of - where they can be flat and uncolored at low gain and then you can crank for color and use EQ. (I know that is supposed to describe all pres) I swear there's something to the 32V PS. The next electronics class I teach will be my first, but I do have ears...and there's something about these on my vocal that just sounds like it's not being pushed. You guys know - but I had one of these (mono) a year or so ago. I got all huffy about having $3500 wrapped up in ONE mic pre/EQ, so I thought I could replace and be happy. But ever since, I've been using different 1073 iterations...and I just can't get happy with a vocal. They just sound "tight" or "hot" or "cooked" or something saturationy...and I think it has something to do with the mids and how my voice makes them. Anyway - here are two acoustic clips using the 0011 and SAE U-48. I'll add a vocal when I get a sec. Acoustic SAE U48 into H2 0011 No Verb - drive.google.com/file/d/1-iT8Q5TvZjhSAiGD8itQ5oTJAWQ0rvjp/view?usp=sharingSAE U48 into H2 0011 With Verb - drive.google.com/file/d/1ALizlYJej12nYS9m28qpmYNGnvWDYiYu/view?usp=sharingVocal Didn't you buy a CA-70s for vocals?
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 11, 2024 15:35:33 GMT -6
No
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Post by notneeson on Sept 11, 2024 16:18:16 GMT -6
at basically half price. It was Ben Fold's...and I guess he just wanted to move them...because I basically got them half off of what they are new. One hadn't even been opened. So...good fortune for me. Just couldn't pass it up, now I gotta figure out how to pay lol. And I'm SO glad I did. They're the most balanced pre I can think of - where they can be flat and uncolored at low gain and then you can crank for color and use EQ. (I know that is supposed to describe all pres) I swear there's something to the 32V PS. The next electronics class I teach will be my first, but I do have ears...and there's something about these on my vocal that just sounds like it's not being pushed. You guys know - but I had one of these (mono) a year or so ago. I got all huffy about having $3500 wrapped up in ONE mic pre/EQ, so I thought I could replace and be happy. But ever since, I've been using different 1073 iterations...and I just can't get happy with a vocal. They just sound "tight" or "hot" or "cooked" or something saturationy...and I think it has something to do with the mids and how my voice makes them. Anyway - here are two acoustic clips using the 0011 and SAE U-48. I'll add a vocal when I get a sec. Acoustic SAE U48 into H2 0011 No Verb - drive.google.com/file/d/1-iT8Q5TvZjhSAiGD8itQ5oTJAWQ0rvjp/view?usp=sharingSAE U48 into H2 0011 With Verb - drive.google.com/file/d/1ALizlYJej12nYS9m28qpmYNGnvWDYiYu/view?usp=sharingVocal Score!
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 11, 2024 16:33:55 GMT -6
You demoed one though IIRC?
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 11, 2024 17:00:01 GMT -6
You demoed one though IIRC? I think so. Thought it was dark.
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Post by wiz on Sept 11, 2024 17:14:59 GMT -6
sounds great... that D28 is a howitzer
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 11, 2024 17:38:15 GMT -6
sounds great... that D28 is a howitzer cheers Wiz Actually a J-45…custom shop 59 with ceramic bridge…I sold the Authentic to a friend. It was a beast. He said I can buy it back when I come to my senses. lol. I loved it - sounded better than the 45 - but the nut width on the Gibson is a little smaller, so I was reaching for that all the time. Plus, I wasn’t writing or playing out much or any at all, and we used it to pay for a dead AC. And shockingly in 2023, an heirloom Martin D-28 Authentic with Madagascar Rosewood (arrrgghhh) doesn’t even pay 60% of a new AC.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 11, 2024 17:45:50 GMT -6
at basically half price. It was Ben Fold's...and I guess he just wanted to move them...because I basically got them half off of what they are new. One hadn't even been opened. So...good fortune for me. Just couldn't pass it up, now I gotta figure out how to pay lol. And I'm SO glad I did. They're the most balanced pre I can think of - where they can be flat and uncolored at low gain and then you can crank for color and use EQ. (I know that is supposed to describe all pres) I swear there's something to the 32V PS. The next electronics class I teach will be my first, but I do have ears...and there's something about these on my vocal that just sounds like it's not being pushed. You guys know - but I had one of these (mono) a year or so ago. I got all huffy about having $3500 wrapped up in ONE mic pre/EQ, so I thought I could replace and be happy. But ever since, I've been using different 1073 iterations...and I just can't get happy with a vocal. They just sound "tight" or "hot" or "cooked" or something saturationy...and I think it has something to do with the mids and how my voice makes them. Anyway - here are two acoustic clips using the 0011 and SAE U-48. I'll add a vocal when I get a sec. Acoustic SAE U48 into H2 0011 No Verb - drive.google.com/file/d/1-iT8Q5TvZjhSAiGD8itQ5oTJAWQ0rvjp/view?usp=sharingSAE U48 into H2 0011 With Verb - drive.google.com/file/d/1ALizlYJej12nYS9m28qpmYNGnvWDYiYu/view?usp=sharingVocal Score! Yeah…might be the best deal I’ve ever gotten. The modules new are like $2300 each, PS $1450…Woulda cost me $6600 after taxes to buy this new. Got it for $2800 plus tax. Two modules and the PS. There’s one selling on Reverb for $3600 - and that’s a SMOKING deal. I’ve been wringing my hands for about a month but I just couldn’t stretch that far…but then this popped up for $3k…I offered $2800 and they went for it (they were here, so didn’t have to ship.)
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Post by geoff738 on Sept 11, 2024 19:13:37 GMT -6
A good J45 is a beautiful thing. Been hunting for one for a year maybe more. Anyhow this chain sounds like a winner. And yes I listened to the end. I may have to bust that out at Folkways up here in a couple days. They currently have three 30s LOOs in stock. Oof.
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by sean on Sept 11, 2024 21:02:44 GMT -6
30's L-00 are definitely the guitar I feel like I really missed out on before they got INSANELY expensive.
Nice pick up John! Ben and his engineer Joe Costa are good people.
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Post by drumsound on Sept 11, 2024 23:24:58 GMT -6
That's super cool, John. Two of my favorite things, Helios and Ben Folds. I've been spinning his latest in my car for the last week or so. So I'm assuming that I'm hearing your pres all over it.
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Post by kelk on Sept 12, 2024 0:56:09 GMT -6
30's L-00 are definitely the guitar I feel like I really missed out on before they got INSANELY expensive. Nice pick up John! Ben and his engineer Joe Costa are good people. I bought a ‘32 tuxedo 12 fret L-00 in incredible condition around 2017 and watched the prices just literally double since then. They were actually criminally under prized back then, i feel. Compared to similar era Martins.. Hope you find a decently priced one at some point Sean! They are instant records.
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 12, 2024 1:30:23 GMT -6
You demoed one though IIRC? I think so. Thought it was dark. I read a post by you a while back where you really raved about it and so I thought maybe you’d bought one. I know you sometimes mention your voice is quite strident in the high mids (I have a very similar issue as a tenor) and so that’s why I bought a CA-70s. The BAE 1073D is too edgy on me, all solid state pre’s have this issue for my vocals, if I use a tube pre (and tube comp) the transfer characteristics of the tube just politely soften the top end. The negative feedback can (as you noted) darken the the CA-70 which is a works perfectly for my bright tenor voice and allows me to use a 47 and still get that reedy mid foward tone a 47 has - kinda like a heat shield Will you use the H2 on your vocals or do you currently favour a different pre-amp for that task?
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Post by bricejchandler on Sept 12, 2024 1:43:01 GMT -6
Those H2 Helios really do sound amazing! I wish the 500 series sounded as good but most people seem to think they a huge step down.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 12, 2024 10:27:22 GMT -6
I think so. Thought it was dark. I read a post by you a while back where you really raved about it and so I thought maybe you’d bought one. I know you sometimes mention your voice is quite strident in the high mids (I have a very similar issue as a tenor) and so that’s why I bought a CA-70s. The BAE 1073D is too edgy on me, all solid state pre’s have this issue for my vocals, if I use a tube pre (and tube comp) the transfer characteristics of the tube just politely soften the top end. The negative feedback can (as you noted) darken the the CA-70 which is a works perfectly for my bright tenor voice and allows me to use a 47 and still get that reedy mid foward tone a 47 has - kinda like a heat shield Will you use the H2 on your vocals or do you currently favour a different pre-amp for that task? Yeah - ultimately thought it was kind’ve like other solutions when trying to take the edge off my vocal…no pre can cover up for spikiness in the capsule of the mic. So turn it here and it’s not enough, a little bit more and it’s far too much. Problem wasn’t the pre…more so the mic at the time. I’m sure it would sound great. I ’m finding I like “straight wire” sounding vocals. A little euphonic on bottom and no signs of hair on top. I haven’t really found a tube pre that does that…and I guess really wasn’t the point of a tube pre anyway. Maybe describing pres as having “more headroom” is the wrong way to define it. But I’m thinking of it like a guitar amp with a master volume. At what number does the input gain start to introduce audible distortion on peaks? Or when does saturation start becoming audible? Also, consistency in the frequency spectrum regardless of dynamics. Does the bottom end stay the same when pushed? Does the top pinch? Maybe this is more the function of the mic, but some pres can get small when pushed. Considering this is all basically for vocals/hand perc/acoustic instruments and 2 bus…so I want big punchy and clean in all those situations. I’m rarely driving these Pres into distortion. If I was recording electric guitar or drums or keys, that would be more of a thing. So, I’m going for “it’s in the room with me but sounds like the most amazing version of it I’ve ever heard.” There’s something about these that sounds like it gives dimension to me. And it could be the detail in the top end. As for strident vocals, I’m starting to find a lot of that is resonance. When I go in and add a few instances of Deres (or any notch EQ), things get dramatically better. But maybe some Pres are more susceptible to HF resonances…IDK. Yes - I’ll use these on everything.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 12, 2024 10:28:56 GMT -6
Those H2 Helios really do sound amazing! I wish the 500 series sounded as good but most people seem to think they a huge step down. I know they changed the input transformer in the 500 to the Mesanovic they use in the 0011…been wanting to try out to see if they were better. By the time you bought a pair of the Pres and then eqs, the 500 would be nearly as expensive.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 12, 2024 10:30:31 GMT -6
That's super cool, John. Two of my favorite things, Helios and Ben Folds. I've been spinning his latest in my car for the last week or so. So I'm assuming that I'm hearing your pres all over it. Not so sure. One of the Pres hadn’t even been taken out of the package…and the assistant I picked up from said they were hardly used. Hey - no accounting for taste, right? lol.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 12, 2024 10:32:33 GMT -6
30's L-00 are definitely the guitar I feel like I really missed out on before they got INSANELY expensive. Nice pick up John! Ben and his engineer Joe Costa are good people. I bought a ‘32 tuxedo 12 fret L-00 in incredible condition around 2017 and watched the prices just literally double since then. They were actually criminally under prized back then, i feel. Compared to similar era Martins.. Hope you find a decently priced one at some point Sean! They are instant records. OMG, how I wish I’d just bought a 50’s J-45 for $4k 20 years ago…or bought that Telefunken 251 with vintage cap and 701 for $11k. That thing would probably sell for $30k right now. And I’d sell the shit out of it.
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Post by bossanova on Sept 12, 2024 11:05:24 GMT -6
That's super cool, John. Two of my favorite things, Helios and Ben Folds. I've been spinning his latest in my car for the last week or so. So I'm assuming that I'm hearing your pres all over it. It's gone now (I made a copy) but Ben made a Patreon post on the gear he used to record his last album due to the pandemic and it's almost exclusively Warm Mics and Warm comps into an Apollo 8x. Who would have thought? [added: I don’t think this is 100% correct the more I read into it, because the same post talks about mixing, but Michael Brauer mixed WMM. Maybe it’s his chain for demos?] (Now truth be told, I don't think it sounds as good as Lonely Avenue, my favorite Ben album for pure sonics, but I know he went all out on that one to correct for how bad Way To Normal sounded after mastering.) According to a story Ben told in concert in Austin, "What Matters Most" is at least partially about him realizing how much audio gear he'd accumulated and how little of it he really needed 😅 And now John has a couple of Helios pres!
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 12, 2024 13:10:58 GMT -6
Now I’m gonna go listen to his newest album. I got into Ben Folds Five big time in the mid to late 90s. Man, that and Owlsley really takes me back. Played it for my kid a couple years ago and I was surprised at how…it didn’t sounds like…I remembered it. lol. The kid was like, “What. The. Hell. Is. This?”
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Post by bossanova on Sept 12, 2024 14:45:47 GMT -6
Now I’m gonna go listen to his newest album. I got into Ben Folds Five big time in the mid to late 90s. Man, that and Owlsley really takes me back. Played it for my kid a couple years ago and I was surprised at how…it didn’t sounds like…I remembered it. lol. The kid was like, “What. The. Hell. Is. This?” The 1st album is still a miracle to me because, by all accounts, it was recorded live in a living room including live vocals. Songs and performances are all top notch too. . "Underground" was on constant rotation when I was in high school.
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 12, 2024 14:56:53 GMT -6
I read a post by you a while back where you really raved about it and so I thought maybe you’d bought one. I know you sometimes mention your voice is quite strident in the high mids (I have a very similar issue as a tenor) and so that’s why I bought a CA-70s. The BAE 1073D is too edgy on me, all solid state pre’s have this issue for my vocals, if I use a tube pre (and tube comp) the transfer characteristics of the tube just politely soften the top end. The negative feedback can (as you noted) darken the the CA-70 which is a works perfectly for my bright tenor voice and allows me to use a 47 and still get that reedy mid foward tone a 47 has - kinda like a heat shield Will you use the H2 on your vocals or do you currently favour a different pre-amp for that task? Yeah - ultimately thought it was kind’ve like other solutions when trying to take the edge off my vocal…no pre can cover up for spikiness in the capsule of the mic. So turn it here and it’s not enough, a little bit more and it’s far too much. Problem wasn’t the pre…more so the mic at the time. I’m sure it would sound great. I ’m finding I like “straight wire” sounding vocals. A little euphonic on bottom and no signs of hair on top. I haven’t really found a tube pre that does that…and I guess really wasn’t the point of a tube pre anyway. Maybe describing pres as having “more headroom” is the wrong way to define it. But I’m thinking of it like a guitar amp with a master volume. At what number does the input gain start to introduce audible distortion on peaks? Or when does saturation start becoming audible? Also, consistency in the frequency spectrum regardless of dynamics. Does the bottom end stay the same when pushed? Does the top pinch? Maybe this is more the function of the mic, but some pres can get small when pushed. Considering this is all basically for vocals/hand perc/acoustic instruments and 2 bus…so I want big punchy and clean in all those situations. I’m rarely driving these Pres into distortion. If I was recording electric guitar or drums or keys, that would be more of a thing. So, I’m going for “it’s in the room with me but sounds like the most amazing version of it I’ve ever heard.” There’s something about these that sounds like it gives dimension to me. And it could be the detail in the top end. As for strident vocals, I’m starting to find a lot of that is resonance. When I go in and add a few instances of Deres (or any notch EQ), things get dramatically better. But maybe some Pres are more susceptible to HF resonances…IDK. Yes - I’ll use these on everything. Ah ha .... straight wire and gain. I was reading Peter Gabriel uses his CM7 with a Millennia STT-1 on the solid state path - no transformer - just perfect J-Fet super clean gain with massive headroom. Yeah, ok if you sound like Peter Gabriel! Me, I NEED everything the CA-70 and Retro STA Level have to offer in way of "rose tinted glasses"
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 12, 2024 15:01:46 GMT -6
Sucks that all these kind of do their own thing. I put the Helios on the 2 bus and I don't think I like it as much as the Heiders. Heiders have such a tight punch. Anybody want to send some money?
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Post by drumsound on Sept 12, 2024 15:56:05 GMT -6
That's super cool, John. Two of my favorite things, Helios and Ben Folds. I've been spinning his latest in my car for the last week or so. So I'm assuming that I'm hearing your pres all over it. Not so sure. One of the Pres hadn’t even been taken out of the package…and the assistant I picked up from said they were hardly used. Hey - no accounting for taste, right? lol. That's super cool, John. Two of my favorite things, Helios and Ben Folds. I've been spinning his latest in my car for the last week or so. So I'm assuming that I'm hearing your pres all over it. It's gone now (I made a copy) but Ben made a Patreon post on the gear he used to record his last album due to the pandemic and it's almost exclusively Warm Mics and Warm comps into an Apollo 8x. Who would have thought? [added: I don’t think this is 100% correct the more I read into it, because the same post talks about mixing, but Michael Brauer mixed WMM. Maybe it’s his chain for demos?] (Now truth be told, I don't think it sounds as good as Lonely Avenue, my favorite Ben album for pure sonics, but I know he went all out on that one to correct for how bad Way To Normal sounded after mastering.) According to a story Ben told in concert in Austin, "What Matters Most" is at least partially about him realizing how much audio gear he'd accumulated and how little of it he really needed 😅 And now John has a couple of Helios pres! I saw him last year and What Matters Most has is seed in cleaning out his storage space after the Nashville floods, so that seems to check out. He also got a call while there that a friend lost his medical battle and that made him introspective. Lonely Ave was tracked analog and does sound quite good. I still like Way to Normal musically, I haven't listened on monitors in a while. Now I’m gonna go listen to his newest album. I got into Ben Folds Five big time in the mid to late 90s. Man, that and Owlsley really takes me back. Played it for my kid a couple years ago and I was surprised at how…it didn’t sounds like…I remembered it. lol. The kid was like, “What. The. Hell. Is. This?” Yeah, I bought in on the first BFF record and have been all in ever since. The First Owlsley record is SOOOOOO GOOOOOD!!! Now I’m gonna go listen to his newest album. I got into Ben Folds Five big time in the mid to late 90s. Man, that and Owlsley really takes me back. Played it for my kid a couple years ago and I was surprised at how…it didn’t sounds like…I remembered it. lol. The kid was like, “What. The. Hell. Is. This?” The 1st album is still a miracle to me because, by all accounts, it was recorded live in a living room including live vocals. Songs and performances are all top notch too. . "Underground" was on constant rotation when I was in high school. It was actually the second record "Whatever and Ever Amen" that was done in Ben's small place. DA88s and a bunch of Neve pres.
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