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Post by ab101 on Sept 7, 2024 19:16:35 GMT -6
I do not see a link function. Did I miss it?
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Post by Quint on Sept 7, 2024 19:35:55 GMT -6
If I didn't already have the Stam, I'd definitely be looking at this. Everybody's in on the 609 game now.
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Post by Ward on Sept 7, 2024 20:32:00 GMT -6
except that it's not available.... only preorder (and even that seems like you can't at this moment) Well, it will be. And lead time is three weeks. That’s not years. That’s weeks. Ouch. Quite a burn! There is a philosophical difference between the two, AS runs like a machine, Stam runs like a mad scientist, Each reflecting their founders/owners That is also each company's core strength, Not a fault. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 7, 2024 20:41:37 GMT -6
I don’t see two year waits as a feature.
Edit: no doubt it’s changing for the better…and no doubt the products sound fantastic.
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Post by poppaflavor on Sept 8, 2024 7:26:43 GMT -6
Yeah this was a weird one. I was logged in clicking buy now continuously from EST 7:59 - 8:00 and it said sold out every click. Just kind of hard to imagine there were more than 1 or 2 units, otherwise I would have gotten one in the cart at least. |
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Post by Ward on Sept 8, 2024 7:45:51 GMT -6
I don’t see two year waits as a feature. Not exactly what i was referring to… just referring to how both are genius but in different ways… Acknowledged! |
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 8, 2024 9:43:18 GMT -6
If I didn't already have the Stam, I'd definitely be looking at this. Everybody's in on the 609 game now. Where do you use yours? Tracking, drum bus, stereo mix bus. Maybe it's a genre thing, but I've never "got" the 609 - I've never used one and thought wow. Where as the first time I put a Vari-MU (Thermionic Phoenix MP) on the stereo mix bus it was "yeah - now that's music" I'm sure they're great .... maybe they don't shine on the stereo bus? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 8, 2024 10:12:42 GMT -6
If I didn't already have the Stam, I'd definitely be looking at this. Everybody's in on the 609 game now. Where do you use yours? Tracking, drum bus, stereo mix bus. Maybe it's a genre thing, but I've never "got" the 609 - I've never used one and thought wow. Where as the first time I put a Vari-MU (Thermionic Phoenix MP) on the stereo mix bus it was "yeah - now that's music" I'm sure they're great .... maybe they don't shine on the stereo bus? Basically it’s a last step transient shaving and two more transformers. |
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Post by Quint on Sept 8, 2024 11:32:58 GMT -6
If I didn't already have the Stam, I'd definitely be looking at this. Everybody's in on the 609 game now. Where do you use yours? Tracking, drum bus, stereo mix bus. Maybe it's a genre thing, but I've never "got" the 609 - I've never used one and thought wow. Where as the first time I put a Vari-MU (Thermionic Phoenix MP) on the stereo mix bus it was "yeah - now that's music" I'm sure they're great .... maybe they don't shine on the stereo bus? Drum bus is where I use it, as probably do most people. I use it here and there for tracking too. It can sound cool on mix bus, but I'm kind of with you on the vari mu thing for mix bus. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 8, 2024 11:45:16 GMT -6
I always thought it was designed for mix bus use. I tend to like it on mix bus over drum bus because it’s more snappy than gushy to me. Like it tightens things up instead of explodes them like an 1178. But I do need to swap those two and see what happens. I couldn’t get the Drumbus where I wanted - at least with this Behringer. I’ve used the Stam on Drumbus with more success, but it’s still not as bloomy as a fet.
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 8, 2024 11:46:38 GMT -6
Where do you use yours? Tracking, drum bus, stereo mix bus. Maybe it's a genre thing, but I've never "got" the 609 - I've never used one and thought wow. Where as the first time I put a Vari-MU (Thermionic Phoenix MP) on the stereo mix bus it was "yeah - now that's music" I'm sure they're great .... maybe they don't shine on the stereo bus? Drum bus is where I use it, as probably do most people. I use it here and there for tracking too. It can sound cool on mix bus, but I'm kind of with you on the vari mu thing for mix bus. Thanks. Recently I've been thinking about a Buzz BD20 for the drum bus - I hear good things about Buzz Audio a lot and it's price is relatively reasonable. I'm all set for the mix bus with VCA > Vari Mu, that combo really works for me. VCA gets the groove going and the Vari-MU adds the depth and gloss. |
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Post by andersmv on Sept 8, 2024 11:53:47 GMT -6
The only time I really use a 33609 is on my mix bus, and it's just BARELY tickling the meter compression wise (maybe 1 dB at louder parts). They just add an amazing color and size to the mix when used like that on a mix bus. I've kind of settled on the UAD 33609 as it does have a very similar color to the vintage hardware I got to work with for a few years, that plugin is solid. I've always wanted a hardware 33609 but I know I'm only going to put it on one setting, throw it over the mix bus and never touch it again. It's just hard for me to justify that much money on it considering what I'll end up using it on. I kind of wished someone would make a summing mixer based on the audio circuit where there was just a one knob compression that you just dial in a little bit of compression over it (of just build it in under the hood where it starts to compress slightly when you gain stage harder into it).
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 8, 2024 11:59:25 GMT -6
The only time I really use a 33609 is on my mix bus, and it's just BARELY tickling the meter compression wise (maybe 1 dB at louder parts). They just add an amazing color and size to the mix when used like that on a mix bus. I've kind of settled on the UAD 33609 as it does have a very similar color to the vintage hardware I got to work with for a few years, that plugin is solid. I've always wanted a hardware 33609 but I know I'm only going to put it on one setting, throw it over the mix bus and never touch it again. It's just hard for me to justify that much money on it considering what I'll end up using it on. I kind of wished someone would make a summing mixer based on the audio circuit where there was just a one knob compression knob so you could dial in like 1 dB of compression over the summing mixer. That would be solid... I said to an old engineer friend of mine, I only use a small amount of GR when tracking with my Retro STA Level - it's a lot of money tied up for a unit doing a few dB GR tracking. He said .... "just because you don't need much compression doesn't mean you don't need much of a compressor" I thought, yeah good point - these boxes add so much more than just knocking off a dB or two. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 8, 2024 12:19:12 GMT -6
The only time I really use a 33609 is on my mix bus, and it's just BARELY tickling the meter compression wise (maybe 1 dB at louder parts). They just add an amazing color and size to the mix when used like that on a mix bus. I've kind of settled on the UAD 33609 as it does have a very similar color to the vintage hardware I got to work with for a few years, that plugin is solid. I've always wanted a hardware 33609 but I know I'm only going to put it on one setting, throw it over the mix bus and never touch it again. It's just hard for me to justify that much money on it considering what I'll end up using it on. I kind of wished someone would make a summing mixer based on the audio circuit where there was just a one knob compression that you just dial in a little bit of compression over it (of just build it in under the hood where it starts to compress slightly when you gain stage harder into it). That’s why $499 was so sweet. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 8, 2024 12:20:12 GMT -6
The only time I really use a 33609 is on my mix bus, and it's just BARELY tickling the meter compression wise (maybe 1 dB at louder parts). They just add an amazing color and size to the mix when used like that on a mix bus. I've kind of settled on the UAD 33609 as it does have a very similar color to the vintage hardware I got to work with for a few years, that plugin is solid. I've always wanted a hardware 33609 but I know I'm only going to put it on one setting, throw it over the mix bus and never touch it again. It's just hard for me to justify that much money on it considering what I'll end up using it on. I kind of wished someone would make a summing mixer based on the audio circuit where there was just a one knob compression knob so you could dial in like 1 dB of compression over the summing mixer. That would be solid... I said to an old engineer friend of mine, I only use a small amount of GR when tracking with my Retro STA Level - it's a lot of money tied up for a unit doing a few dB GR tracking. He said .... "just because you don't need much compression doesn't mean you don't need much of a compressor" I thought, yeah good point - these boxes add so much more than just knocking off a dB or two. So you only knock off like -2 on something like a vocal? You’re missing a whole world. |
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 8, 2024 12:21:51 GMT -6
I said to an old engineer friend of mine, I only use a small amount of GR when tracking with my Retro STA Level - it's a lot of money tied up for a unit doing a few dB GR tracking. He said .... "just because you don't need much compression doesn't mean you don't need much of a compressor" I thought, yeah good point - these boxes add so much more than just knocking off a dB or two. So you only knock off like -2 on something like a vocal? You’re missing a whole world. About 5dB tracking. Now I have my ADAT 16 channel I/O for hybrid mixing ..... way, way more than 5dB mixing :-) That said - to me the Retro is a great colour box and sometimes I will back off and turn to the MDWDRC2 for level control. And now I have the BLA Bluey - I might just tickle the Retro tracking and get the girth I like from the box and then smash it with the Bluey on mixdown as a parallel. So I guess .... I'm not really missing anything  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 8, 2024 12:50:07 GMT -6
So you only knock off like -2 on something like a vocal? You’re missing a whole world. About 5dB tracking. Now I have my ADAT 16 channel I/O for hybrid mixing ..... way, way more than 5dB mixing :-) That said - to me the Retro is a great colour box and sometimes I will back off and turn to the MDWDRC2 for level control. And now I have the BLA Bluey - I might just tickle the Retro tracking and get the girth I like from the box and then smash it with the Bluey on mixdown as a parallel. So I guess .... I'm not really missing anything 👍🏻 |
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Post by drbill on Sept 8, 2024 13:49:01 GMT -6
Basically it’s a last step transient shaving and two more transformers. That sounds a lot like a silver bullet.  I've never been a huge 609 aficionado, but I may give the AS one a shot!! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 8, 2024 14:04:28 GMT -6
Basically it’s a last step transient shaving and two more transformers. That sounds a lot like a silver bullet. I've never been a huge 609 aficionado, but I may give the AS one a shot!! Well…and compression/limiting |
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Post by chumley56 on Sept 8, 2024 14:42:39 GMT -6
I was able to get a preorder placed. Looking forward to getting this one for sure.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 8, 2024 15:02:41 GMT -6
Nice !
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Post by bobeschism on Sept 9, 2024 6:14:54 GMT -6
Dual Mono mode - confirmed by Audioscape UK, who in turn confirmed with Chris from Audioscape US:
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Post by phdamage on Sept 9, 2024 8:43:30 GMT -6
The only time I really use a 33609 is on my mix bus, and it's just BARELY tickling the meter compression wise (maybe 1 dB at louder parts). They just add an amazing color and size to the mix when used like that on a mix bus. I've kind of settled on the UAD 33609 as it does have a very similar color to the vintage hardware I got to work with for a few years, that plugin is solid. I've always wanted a hardware 33609 but I know I'm only going to put it on one setting, throw it over the mix bus and never touch it again. It's just hard for me to justify that much money on it considering what I'll end up using it on. I kind of wished someone would make a summing mixer based on the audio circuit where there was just a one knob compression that you just dial in a little bit of compression over it (of just build it in under the hood where it starts to compress slightly when you gain stage harder into it). pretty sure the Stam summing box has the 33609 output as an option, so your wish might already be granted. |
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Post by andersmv on Sept 9, 2024 9:10:41 GMT -6
The only time I really use a 33609 is on my mix bus, and it's just BARELY tickling the meter compression wise (maybe 1 dB at louder parts). They just add an amazing color and size to the mix when used like that on a mix bus. I've kind of settled on the UAD 33609 as it does have a very similar color to the vintage hardware I got to work with for a few years, that plugin is solid. I've always wanted a hardware 33609 but I know I'm only going to put it on one setting, throw it over the mix bus and never touch it again. It's just hard for me to justify that much money on it considering what I'll end up using it on. I kind of wished someone would make a summing mixer based on the audio circuit where there was just a one knob compression that you just dial in a little bit of compression over it (of just build it in under the hood where it starts to compress slightly when you gain stage harder into it). pretty sure the Stam summing box has the 33609 output as an option, so your wish might already be granted. Heritage did a similar thing with their larger rack summing mixer as well. For me, it has to compress as well. There's a big difference between the straight "box tone" without it doing anything and have just a little bit of that compression kicking in (to me at least). The Heritage Successor is a more affordable option that I've considered trying at used prices a few times, but the AudioScape unit isn't far off price wise. I also like the faster times they're offering, I would probably end up using it quite a bit during tracking with the faster options. |
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Post by phdamage on Sept 9, 2024 13:54:17 GMT -6
pretty sure the Stam summing box has the 33609 output as an option, so your wish might already be granted. Heritage did a similar thing with their larger rack summing mixer as well. For me, it has to compress as well. There's a big difference between the straight "box tone" without it doing anything and have just a little bit of that compression kicking in (to me at least). The Heritage Successor is a more affordable option that I've considered trying at used prices a few times, but the AudioScape unit isn't far off price wise. I also like the faster times they're offering, I would probably end up using it quite a bit during tracking with the faster options. I do recognize that Stam does have the wait, but it really was worth the wait for me - like 18-20 months by the time i had it in hand, i think. It absoultey rules and lives on my 2 bus except only in small circumstances. I will say, the high pass filter on the Audioscape unit is tempting but I also expect it to be a smidge cleaner as JohnKen also seems to think and I just love the tone on the Stam. |
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