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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 3, 2024 11:16:58 GMT -6
just to clarify, "clip gain" has nothing to do with peak clipping But an incredibly useful tool/technique! Considering the mindset a better name might have been.... Segment Gain |
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Post by ericn on Sept 3, 2024 14:44:40 GMT -6
Yeah, if I don’t want to make something louder and just want to stop the peaks, I use a limiter. That is what a limiter does but you can use pretty much any compressor with an attack control as a limiter set the desired threshold than the attack to infinite. |
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Post by karlo on Sept 3, 2024 20:43:42 GMT -6
just to clarify, "clip gain" has nothing to do with peak clipping I don’t know what clip gain is. I was talking about clipping before limiting. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 3, 2024 20:54:36 GMT -6
just to clarify, "clip gain" has nothing to do with peak clipping I don’t know what clip gain is. I was talking about clipping before limiting. Hey bro, clip gain is in Pro Tools, it allows you to seamlessly segment off sections of the waveform and increase/decrease the level as needed, a lot of guys will pre level wiley vocals, kick drums and about anything before compressors or limiters so they don't detrimentally get overworked into bad sound, it's a great tool imv |
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Post by karlo on Sept 3, 2024 21:04:14 GMT -6
I don’t know what clip gain is. I was talking about clipping before limiting. Hey bro, clip gain is in Pro Tools, it allows you to seamlessly segment off sections of the waveform and increase/decrease the level as needed, a lot of guys will pre level wiley vocals, kick drums and about anything before compressors or limiters so they don't detrimentally get overworked into bad sound, it's a great tool imv Oh yeah! Reaper has that too! I’ve messed around with it on some takes but the results were unnatural sounding - but I’m fairly amateur and I have a hard time judging/comparing volume changes for some reason, likely do to my monitoring environment. I wouldn’t recommend using clip gain for clipping though, I think you could though LOL, but don’t. |
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Post by niklas1073 on Sept 4, 2024 1:33:47 GMT -6
Hey bro, clip gain is in Pro Tools, it allows you to seamlessly segment off sections of the waveform and increase/decrease the level as needed, a lot of guys will pre level wiley vocals, kick drums and about anything before compressors or limiters so they don't detrimentally get overworked into bad sound, it's a great tool imv Oh yeah! Reaper has that too! I’ve messed around with it on some takes but the results were unnatural sounding - but I’m fairly amateur and I have a hard time judging/comparing volume changes for some reason, likely do to my monitoring environment. I wouldn’t recommend using clip gain for clipping though, I think you could though LOL, but don’t. I would take some time to get into making clip gain adjustments your second nature. It will be your best friend when gain staging your mix. Usually by the time you have thoroughly gone thru your mix with the clip gain you will have a well balanced nice rough understanding of your mix to start work with. And as mentioned plenty here it’s the tool to transparently level out tracks. I’d say it’s one of the fundamental tools to master in digital recording. |
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Post by honkeur on Sept 4, 2024 14:30:06 GMT -6
The diff between compression and limiting is traditional compression lowers the loudest peaks regardless of frequency by the ratio you set, 1:1, 2:1, 3, 4, 5, 6:1 etc, that means every db you go above the threshold you set, you compress(lower) db's corresponding to the first number, so 5:1 would mean 1db above threshold would lower volume 5db. Just a friendly correction about how compression ratio works... 5:1 means that every 5db above the threshold becomes 1 db above the threshold. The "turning down" happens from the point of actual peak, not from the threshold point. Actually to be accurate: no "turning down" happens. The part of the waveform that surpasses the threshold is scaled down to a smaller version of itself. A waveform that peaks at 5db above the threshold has the part above the threshold converted into a scaled version of itself at 1/5 its former size. |
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Post by Dan on Sept 6, 2024 18:23:20 GMT -6
The diff between compression and limiting is traditional compression lowers the loudest peaks regardless of frequency by the ratio you set, 1:1, 2:1, 3, 4, 5, 6:1 etc, that means every db you go above the threshold you set, you compress(lower) db's corresponding to the first number, so 5:1 would mean 1db above threshold would lower volume 5db. Just a friendly correction about how compression ratio works... 5:1 means that every 5db above the threshold becomes 1 db above the threshold. The "turning down" happens from the point of actual peak, not from the threshold point. Actually to be accurate: no "turning down" happens. The part of the waveform that surpasses the threshold is scaled down to a smaller version of itself. A waveform that peaks at 5db above the threshold has the part above the threshold converted into a scaled version of itself at 1/5 its former size. compression doesn't work that way. it scales the entire volume down. it stops compressing when the signal is below threshold. rms is much less distorted than peak detection. compression is not merely a soft clipper. the smoothing filter that is attack and release prevents that. attack and release are a low pass filter on the sidechain (either on the signal after being rectified or on the gain reduction signal and it's all part of one filter) to prevent the volume modulation from being instant when the voltage controlled amplifier or resistor turns it down. then it is made up by another amplifier or adjusting the control voltage to the vca.
pre vca compressors use older technology and do not have an exact ratio. soft knees and their transfer curves are it. ratio buttons or switches either add a dc offset to the rectified sidechain or change the amount of feedback, lowering or increasing the ratio. less feedback is higher ratio but also lower program dependency. feedback compressors need non-linear gain in the feedback part of the sidechain to get more than 2:1 ratio. a few digital compressors let you experience this and many feed forward compressors have feedback switch that essentially makes the ratio much smaller but has a delay and sort of normalization of the envelope applied by attack and release but often adds a feedback overshoot as it reacts to its own compression rather than the signal itself.
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Post by tonycamphd on Sept 6, 2024 18:53:13 GMT -6
well, what i said was wrong, not sure what i was thinking when i wrote that🤔🤷🏻♂️
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Post by Ward on Sept 7, 2024 17:02:55 GMT -6
well, what i said was wrong, not sure what i was thinking when i wrote that🤔🤷🏻♂️ We all know you well enough around here, to know you knew what you were talking about . . . just expressed it wrong. 2:1 compression means for every 2db increase in input, there is a commensurate 1db increase in output 5: 1 compression means than for every 5db increase in input, there is a commensurate 1db increase in output etc Just one of the fundamentals. |
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Post by chessparov on Sept 7, 2024 17:14:38 GMT -6
I still manage to screw up. Unless my amount of Compression... Is very Limited.  Chris |
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Post by Ward on Sept 7, 2024 20:14:58 GMT -6
I still manage to screw up. Unless my amount of Compression... Is very Limited. Chris Time to decompress for the night |
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