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Post by chessparov on Aug 22, 2024 17:46:29 GMT -6
You sound like my Plastic Surgeon.  He held a party recently. Including his past and current patients. I saw a lot of new faces there! |
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Post by lowlou on Aug 22, 2024 18:43:38 GMT -6
Accentuate something : the timbre and the presence from tenor register to counter-tenor register. I don't want to soften the voice, but rather put it upfront. Knowing very well that a fair part of the sound I want rely on the use of compression, saturation and eq, I'm still looking for a non sibilant, "rock'n'roll" in spirit but "edgy electro" compatible, mic that will play nice with my voice.
Reduce something : the room (not the best in the world for the time being), sibilances, and any unintentional subliminal urban music sonic lineage (not that I don't like rap, but it's not the type of music I'm going for).
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The Beesneez BU67 V2 : I've now heard a bunch of songs featuring this mic on the 25 pages long Gearspace thread Paul initiated ("beesneez reinvention"), and I like what I heard.
Following Paul's messages I think I should try a "C414EB" FET CK12 style mic. A harder sound, it could work. So maybe a Beesneez BC12A Fet ? If I understand correctly, the C414EB has the same AKG brass capsule found in the C12 and ELAM 251. Then I guess I want to try them too ? But these have tubes in them, so probably another vibe than the FET C414EB.
I should maybe consider the Stam SA87T that Josh recommended to me in one email (he said it's their best mic in his opinion).
I also wondered what microphones could help me create creative, interesting and diverse backing vocals, harmonies etc. Dark, or airy, context dependant. Could be the Phantera I have, or M49 ? or U47 ? Or a ribbon mic without low build-up ? Or the softer Soyuz 017 tube ? Or... I don't know.
I also wonder if it's a stupid idea to consider using a stereo mic alongside a mono mic (mic aligned vertically) to capture simultaneously a triple lead vocal and have fun with the usual toolbox (pan, eq, compression, FX etc). Ultra wide halo vocal, or ultra crappy phasy nightmare ?
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Post by ericn on Aug 22, 2024 21:11:24 GMT -6
OK I’ll date the obvious, yeah sell the thing it’s an absolute POS, I’ll be happy to take it off your hands for next to nothing 😁
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Post by drumsound on Aug 22, 2024 22:04:53 GMT -6
Following Paul's messages I think I should try a "C414EB" FET CK12 style mic. A harder sound, it could work. So maybe a Beesneez BC12A Fet ? If I understand correctly, the C414EB has the same AKG brass capsule found in the C12 and ELAM 251. Then I guess I want to try them too ? But these have tubes in them, so probably another vibe than the FET C414EB. For what it's worth, I've had a friend's 414EB for a while now and used it on a number of singers with very good results. Mostly I use it with a Useful Arts SFP60 and one of a few compressors after it. |
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Post by lowlou on Aug 23, 2024 4:35:31 GMT -6
Following Paul's messages I think I should try a "C414EB" FET CK12 style mic. A harder sound, it could work. So maybe a Beesneez BC12A Fet ? If I understand correctly, the C414EB has the same AKG brass capsule found in the C12 and ELAM 251. Then I guess I want to try them too ? But these have tubes in them, so probably another vibe than the FET C414EB. For what it's worth, I've had a friend's 414EB for a while now and used it on a number of singers with very good results. Mostly I use it with a Useful Arts SFP60 and one of a few compressors after it. Thanks for your input ! Do you know if the capsule in your friend's 414EB is the teflon or the brass CK12 ? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 23, 2024 4:45:17 GMT -6
For mid push/presence, you might like the Stam 67.
Does your mike have tubes, if so, have you rolled tubes as they can act like eq’s?
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Post by lowlou on Aug 23, 2024 4:51:03 GMT -6
Anyone used the Peluso P414 ? pelusomicrophonelab.com/p-414/I wonder if I can install a BN CK12 capsule into the Peluso. Wonder too if the Peluso circuit is faithful. The Peluso sure looks great... |
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Post by lowlou on Aug 23, 2024 4:57:16 GMT -6
@ kcatthedog Yup I'm sold on a Beesneez 67. Once mixed, it sounds so, so good !
No tubes in the Phantera. It's a FET voiced like a tube microphone. Kinda cool, & probably what my father liked about it when he bought it.
He doesn't want to deal with tubes. At home he sings into a U87ai and plays thru a Kemper.
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Post by lowlou on Aug 23, 2024 5:08:52 GMT -6
OK I’ll date the obvious, yeah sell the thing it’s an absolute POS, I’ll be happy to take it off your hands for next to nothing 😁 I'd happily swap the Phantera for a 414EB. Sound deal. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Aug 23, 2024 5:27:52 GMT -6
Anyone used the Peluso P414 ? pelusomicrophonelab.com/p-414/I wonder if I can install a BN CK12 capsule into the Peluso. Wonder too if the Peluso circuit is faithful. The Peluso sure looks great... I believe Peluso seems to be a dirty word in some places. The circuitry is weird looking. Your voice is haunting me, it could be world class with some work. There is a comparison between the Fet BN CK12 and the Tube. My tube ones sound like the originals on the purple site. |
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Post by drumsound on Aug 23, 2024 10:10:54 GMT -6
For what it's worth, I've had a friend's 414EB for a while now and used it on a number of singers with very good results. Mostly I use it with a Useful Arts SFP60 and one of a few compressors after it. Thanks for your input ! Do you know if the capsule in your friend's 414EB is the teflon or the brass CK12 ? It's a real deal brass. Here it is |
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Post by lowlou on Aug 23, 2024 10:18:02 GMT -6
Lovely ! |
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Post by lowlou on Aug 23, 2024 10:26:39 GMT -6
For mid push/presence, you might like the Stam 67. Does your mike have tubes, if so, have you rolled tubes as they can act like eq’s? By any chance do you know what K67 capsule clone Josh uses in the SA-67 mk3 ? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 23, 2024 10:29:04 GMT -6
It would be what is listed on his website. I have the mkii with Tim’s capsule, also have his c12 cap in my diy c12. I’m a fan ! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 23, 2024 10:30:25 GMT -6
“The Capsule
Tuned by hand and tested individually each Stam Audio SA-67 comes with a custom US made K-67 capsule. The K-67 which is also used on our SA87T and SA-800G has the exact same frequency response and timbre has a vintage K-67 capsule from the 70’s. This is the most important part of the microphone and 80% of it’s sound. Each capsule is carefully selected after thorough inspection, vocal tests and precision sweeps to produce the same frequency response.”
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Post by lowlou on Aug 25, 2024 18:32:52 GMT -6
Forgot to thank you kcatthedog for the precious infos and the helping hand . ------------------------- If I'm being honest with myself I think I want : -Main lead vox microphone : BU67/269v2 (maybe even sing into two units simultaneously, one "OLD 67" and one "NEW 269" for example, to then later edit and dial in the sizzly top end without the "esses") -Alternative lead vox microphone #1(breathy, deserted yet surviving, post/Marlboro, countertenor high register) : Elam 251 clone (Beesneez BN251 or Tribute 2) -Alternative lead vox microphone #2 (angry, assertive, loud, courageous, semi-belting) : C414EB clone (BC12A Fet or Peluso 414 clone) ----- Alternative lead vox microphone #3 (vaporwave) : Myburgh M28, unreleased, a newly designed FET CK12 microphone. Said to have a strong sonic personality. ----- -BGV microphone #1 : M49 clone (BM49) -BGV microphone #2 : ELAM 251 clone (BN251 or Tribute 2) -BGV microphone #3 : C12A/C414EB clone (BC12A TUBE or FET) I'm in trouble. Thanks everybody ! xxxxx |
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