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Post by jacobamerritt on Jun 25, 2024 12:19:10 GMT -6
What are your go to mastering plug ins, and in what order do you put them? I want to stick with 4 or 5 total. Considering 1 piece of analog outboard as well (leaning a stereo EQ or Tegeler Creme).
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Post by copperx on Jun 25, 2024 12:29:31 GMT -6
What problem are you trying to solve?
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Post by Darren Boling on Jun 25, 2024 12:34:28 GMT -6
It always changes but for the last 100 masters or so these have all made it: Make Believe/MH Sontec EQ, Equilibrium, Abyss (emulating a Mu), Airwindows Bit Shift gain and Purest Gain, Ozone, Sakura Dither.
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Post by ragan on Jun 25, 2024 12:56:26 GMT -6
I like Unisum. Before whatever limiter I’m using. Usually some combination of FF Pro-L2 and FG-X2.
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Post by nomatic on Jun 25, 2024 13:16:49 GMT -6
Make Believe Mixhead, Sontec, MH Sonic Eq, Unisome (sometimes) AOM invisible Limiter G2. I also do a bunch of analogue hybrid masters but when ITB thats typical.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 25, 2024 14:20:25 GMT -6
Elysia MusEQ, Capitol Comp, Ozone 11, IK stealth.
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Post by iamasound on Jun 25, 2024 14:29:23 GMT -6
It always changes but for the last 100 masters or so these have all made it: Make Believe/MH Sontec EQ, Equilibrium, Abyss (emulating a Mu), Airwindows Bit Shift gain and Purest Gain, Ozone, Sakura Dither. Do you use Purest Gain as the fine tune adjustment for Bit Shift Gain's fixed incremental 6dB?
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Post by niklas1073 on Jun 25, 2024 14:39:41 GMT -6
If I end up mastering… which I try to avoid… it’s usually curvbender into ozone or ozone alone with curvbender used as plug within ozone as stand alone. But before that is my 2bus, which is vari-mu and pultec, whether it’s outboard or itb.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 25, 2024 15:11:28 GMT -6
Always changing. Currently.
Pipeline XT (Silver Bullet -> Tegeler Crème)
LTL Silver Bullet plugin (just using Aspect Ratio and vintage HPF)
Bloom
bx_refinement
Ozone 11 (often only one module or two, I just A/B each one and usually leave most off)
Sonnox Limiter
I also have a bunch of other limiters that I will try if the song seems to want something different. TDR and bx_True Peak mainly.
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Post by thehightenor on Jun 25, 2024 15:17:43 GMT -6
My approach to mastering hasn't changed in a very long time.
Firstly, if I need to do anything more than very small moves then I always re-visit the mix - mastering is the wrong place to "fix stuff"
Three plugins.
Sonoris Mastering Compressor (1 to 1.5 dB GR)
DGM Equilibrium (small moves of 0.5 to 1dB)
TC Brickwall Limiter (3dB max reduction)
I've yet to find plugins I prefer for producing high quality masters with very clear punchy transients.
I should mention, I'm adding all the tone, punch and dimension at the mix stage with a hardware chain (VCA comp >Thermionic Phoenix MP vari-mu >Swift tube EQ > HEDD 192 FX) so the mastering stage in just a technical process of level and tonal matching track to track, small tonal adjustments and brining the levels up.
I'm not into trying to add "magic" at the mastering stage - that's what mixing is for.
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Post by itzprime on Jun 25, 2024 15:28:47 GMT -6
The TDR Combo: Kotelnikov for slight compression, Slick EQ M for EQ and TDR Limiter at the end. Sometimes I add a bit of saturation before too.
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Post by mcirish on Jun 25, 2024 16:30:03 GMT -6
I try not to master my own stuff but when I master for others it is usually Standard Clip, if it has a lot of transients. Kotelikov -2dB max Curve bender or another non surgical eq Weis maximizer on wide, no limiting - only if needed Ozone maximizer mode modern 4 at about -3dB
It really depends on the mix. If the mix comes in with a ton of transients, I have to control those first so they don't wreck the compression and limiting.
Sometimes some deessing is needed after the EQ. I'd use the Arbiter now. I was using the Weiss dresser.
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Post by Darren Boling on Jun 25, 2024 17:18:33 GMT -6
It always changes but for the last 100 masters or so these have all made it: Make Believe/MH Sontec EQ, Equilibrium, Abyss (emulating a Mu), Airwindows Bit Shift gain and Purest Gain, Ozone, Sakura Dither. Do you use Purest Gain as the fine tune adjustment for Bit Shift Gain's fixed incremental 6dB? Sometimes yeah. In general I like using the 6dB jumps before and after some processes and use the Purest Gain instead of the gain in plugins, sounds crazy but a lot of times it sounds better (a subtle thing for sure and I don't always do it as it can be impractical). This is a more recent thing, I hadn't used Airwindows in over a decade and have been coming back to them lately (I don't use them for mastering but the reverb plugins he makes are really amazing).
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Post by dcarvak on Jun 25, 2024 18:31:49 GMT -6
Really depends. But usually some stock EQ, one of a few compressors, BAX EQ, Pro-DS, L 2
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Post by phdamage on Jun 25, 2024 18:52:25 GMT -6
Totally depends but ProQ-3, TDR Nova, Silver Bullet and TDR Limiter is a great start
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 25, 2024 19:18:35 GMT -6
UAD curvebender UAD capitol comp MDN 455 on ‘sounds like a record’ preset with comp threshold all the way to the right (doesn’t trigger) and line amp in/out depending on track…mess with eq and bias a touch. UAD API 560 (line amp only, all freqs at 0, gain -1db) UAD ATR102 on Mastering 1” 30ips preset, adjust HF knob to taste Ozone
If I’m being honest, Ozone is rare in the chain as I’m usually sending off to get mastered.
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Post by Dan on Jun 25, 2024 22:52:26 GMT -6
EQ: TDR Slick EQ GE is a fabulous broad EQ. Narrow bells, Softube Weiss EQ 1 / EQ MP or PSP Master Q2. The MDWEQ anti-alias filter are audible at 44.1 and 48 kHz but sometimes it sounds better so I use it.
Filters: TDR filter bundle. Infrasonic and Ultrasonic are so good. Arbiter is the best de-esser around.
Compressors: TDR Kotelnikov GE and Softube Weiss DS1. I used to use MDWDRC2 a lot but it pumps horrible on transients. It won't speed up to suppress or shape them, it will miss them and then release incorrectly and pump them up on mix bus and in mastering. PSP Mastercomp is old school and still good too. Unisum is cool but it's never beaten Kotelnikov GE and Weiss DS1 head to head. If you unsmooth the compression, Unisum tends to sound like a Distressor ime and then I'd rather use Molot GE. I've used Neold V76U73 on some releases I don't like the sound of anymore.
Limiters: Here's where the balls hit the wall. They all distort from digital artifacts or being so fast on attack and release. If they do not produce harmonic distortion when when sweeping around a sine, you have issues because the lookahead is too long so it's affecting past events based on what's going on in the future, potentially undoing mix moves, and not limiting transients because the events are still there, just ramped down like bad automation. Many limiters come with stock settings with a far too long lookahead.
Wut I use: MJUC mk1 sometimes works for just taking some peaks off. Sonnox Oxford Limiter if anyone wants to sound like a pedal or a FET comp or SSL bus if it was holding hunter biden's crack pipe like a bus compressor limiting with distortion (enhance / safe mode) or an additional true peak limiter (auto comp). Oxford Limiter doesn't totally take the drums out and sound mono like L2. TDR Limiter 6 GE just to take peaks off. Single band and brickwall. 1x just for peaks. On tonal content it sounds like clipping or a cleaner FET comp like a Daking pushed hard. 2x is normal. 3x is some mushy stool and I hate everything I ever did with 3x. PSP Xenon sometimes is best. Usually B or C. A is straight clipping. Turn on all the good options. Use the leveler a little bit. Set transient and release and link to taste. Softube Weiss MM is some cracked out sheened stuff. It is cool for making random distorted music slam and get loud without shifting around the tone like crazy.
Ursa boost I've never been able to make work easily on a master because 40 ms lookahead pumps like crazy and 2ms often distorts horribly. It is cool though. Stealth Limiter sounds great I just refuse to pay IK anything or keep it on my computer. The only developer that makes you install two programs to use their plugins the IK Download Manager and the IK Custom Shop to activate them.
Everything multiband sounds like shit. Even TDR where when digging in, it will breath when triggered by bass and take the highs off if triggered by highs. Everything I did with TDR multiband is too dark. Limitless is similar but the peak limiting park isn't oversampled, only the clipper is, so it sounds even worse. Eventide Elevate sounds like a guitar amp. If TDR x1 mode has a shoulder tat like Werner Herzog and Oxford Limiter has a bunch of random tats over the arms, Elevate is a full on horrible Ben Affleck drunken phoenix back tattoo that looks like a Pokemon.
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Post by theshea on Jun 26, 2024 1:10:53 GMT -6
Xtra: Klanghelm SDDR in desk mode
EQ: TDR Nova GE: one for mid and one for side
Comp: SPL Iron or PA SHMC Class A or Kotelnikov GE
Softube Tape Model A (not always)
Multiband: Softube Drawmer s73: Ambience Preset (25-50% just 1-2db GR)
Limiter: TDR Limiter
… and surprise surprise i sometimes sneak in IK Lurssen mastering console and skip trough the style presets. cheap but works sometimes and i eliminate other plugins.
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Post by knucklehead89 on Jun 26, 2024 4:48:14 GMT -6
Maor Appelbaum’s The Oven plugin is really awesome. The new Soundtheory Kraftur is absolutely amazing.
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Post by viciousbliss on Jun 26, 2024 5:02:54 GMT -6
For plugins I stick to the PA SPL PQ, Basslane Pro, and Cedar Adaptive Limiter 2. If I had to go all plugins, I could attempt to recreate the Fusion without Vintage Drive, try the VSM-4 again, and use one of the Shadow Hills. I'd put these before the first three plugins I mentioned. Fixing stuff is really a pain on a completed mix as stated above. But you can sort of fix some really bad issues with stuff like Basslane Pro. Haven't used Ozone in a while, maybe I should look into it again.
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Post by doubledog on Jun 26, 2024 6:28:30 GMT -6
not really a "suggestion" as this is just what I've been using... Amek 200 or BAX EQ, Slate VBC (or sometimes Townhouse), Slate FG-X2. of course that's for something that resemble some form of rock. other types of music get something else.
edit: I should also mention that many of the projects I work on are very low budget so I mix into the mastering chain the whole time because it's never going anywhere else (i.e. to another mastering engineer) and this way the client gets to hear what the final version will sound like as we go along. When they approve, it's done and can be distributed immediately thereafter... (or as soon as I bounce the correct format of files).
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Post by svart on Jun 26, 2024 8:29:58 GMT -6
I always mix for the loudness I want. If the mastering guy needs to do anything, then my mix wasn't finished. I aim for around -10LUFS on most stuff when it's sounding right. If I can't get there easily then I know the mix is off somehow, usually too much sub bass.
That said, my master bus has:
Slate VMR - Virtual channel SSL buss compressor Native, HPF around 90Hz, 4:1, doing around 3dB GR, 0.1-0.3 attack, fastest release, no auto. (if it's more than 3dB GR and it's still not hitting -10LUFS, then I know the mix is not balanced right) Ruletec EQ1 - Adding some top end or bottom end. Ruletec EQ5 - Adding a little mid for vocals or guitars. Sometimes: Weiss MM-1 maximizer - Don't always use it, but sometimes I need MORE for a song. L1 doing just a tiny bit on the worst peaks, output set to -0.1dB to stop overs.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 26, 2024 8:47:13 GMT -6
Sonnox Oxford Limiter if anyone wants to sound like a pedal or a FET comp or SSL bus if it was holding hunter biden's crack pipe like a bus compressor limiting with distortion (enhance / safe mode) or an additional true peak limiter (auto comp). This is a weirdly accurate way of describing what I like about Sonnox Limiter. Haha. Just a little crack is nice sometimes...I swear I'm not addicted, I can stop any time I want.
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Post by Dan on Jun 26, 2024 10:12:25 GMT -6
I always mix for the loudness I want. If the mastering guy needs to do anything, then my mix wasn't finished. I aim for around -10LUFS on most stuff when it's sounding right. If I can't get there easily then I know the mix is off somehow, usually too much sub bass. That said, my master bus has: Slate VMR - Virtual channel SSL buss compressor Native, HPF around 90Hz, 4:1, doing around 3dB GR, 0.1-0.3 attack, fastest release, no auto. (if it's more than 3dB GR and it's still not hitting -10LUFS, then I know the mix is not balanced right) Ruletec EQ1 - Adding some top end or bottom end. Ruletec EQ5 - Adding a little mid for vocals or guitars. Sometimes: Weiss MM-1 maximizer - Don't always use it, but sometimes I need MORE for a song. L1 doing just a tiny bit on the worst peaks, output set to -0.1dB to stop overs. mixing into a limiter for a real release that will be mastered is bad unless it's something intentionally massively distorted like oxford with enhance or "safe mode" cranked or elevate when it's a bus effect and you can safely leave off most of your other nice sounding mildly distorted bus processing because they are so distorted how they are commonly used, what you put before them will scarcely matter. but then making sure they come out with the same dynamics song to song into the intentionally distorted limiters is impossible... then to match the volumes of the tracks, the mastering guy will have to lower gain with the faders or a trim versus the mastering guy being able to set the rms and peak crest level of the record uniformly so the listener doesn't have to adjust the volume, which is a pita for the listener unless they're a deaf classical hifi nut who wants to crank it on the quiet parts and blow their eardrums out when the fortissimo suddenly hits.
or what we see in pop music and edm where nothing has any transients, only distortion, and the quieter already limited tracks are smashed down again to match the louder, already limited and almost always clipped tracks and it just sounds pumpy, distorted, and awful. the clients will complain that the wave forms aren't brickwalled if they lower gain even though they are phase shifted when being played out of the speakers by the dc filters and crossovers so no longer flatlined...
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Post by Dan on Jun 26, 2024 10:28:05 GMT -6
Make Believe Mixhead, Sontec, MH Sonic Eq, Unisome (sometimes) AOM invisible Limiter G2. I also do a bunch of analogue hybrid masters but when ITB thats typical. How is the AOM Invisible Limiter? They're on G3 now and it seemed cool but not really better than TDR and IK at the time so I didn't drop the 200 bucks.
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