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Post by robschnapf on Jun 1, 2024 11:38:14 GMT -6
I love the de essing in melodyne
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Post by drumsound on Jun 1, 2024 11:55:35 GMT -6
I love the de essing in melodyne How do you access de-essing in Melodyne. I really should take time to learn all the different things it does, because I just use it for typical tuning as needed, but I know there's so much more. |
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Post by robschnapf on Jun 1, 2024 12:07:36 GMT -6
It’s up in the tool menu
De essing
Volume
Fade
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Post by robschnapf on Jun 1, 2024 12:08:58 GMT -6
The TDR stuff looks awesome.
I think I want them all
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 1, 2024 12:30:27 GMT -6
I love the de essing in melodyne Problem with that is my longtime use of melodyne has been standalone. So it’s hard to tell sometimes with it being in solo. I like using the standalone and importing the track because then if I wanted to do something like melodyne harmonies, I can duplicate the track and it’s in tune. If I tuned it using ARA, it wouldn’t be tuned when I duplicated. Guess I could use ara on the tuned vocal - just don’t tune it - and use it to de-ess. Because it IS excellent. Btw - is melodyne using my visual waveform idea? |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 1, 2024 12:37:02 GMT -6
It’s up in the tool menu De essing Volume Fade Is the upgraded version of Melodyne easier to navigate? I have the Essential version that comes with S1 and nothing seems to do what I think it's going to do. I can barely figure out how to zoom in and out and I've used it nearly daily for three years. Amazing tool. Horrible UI. Or at least completely unintuitive for me.. |
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Post by robschnapf on Jun 1, 2024 12:54:45 GMT -6
I use melodyne in Protools.
So it’s really easy to use.
Both integrated or as a plug in.
I know nothing of your struggles.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 1, 2024 12:58:13 GMT -6
I use melodyne in Protools. So it’s really easy to use. Both integrated or as a plug in. I know nothing of your struggles. It's integrated somewhat into S1 too so there are things that are easy. But other things that just never click in my brain. All these super, super tiny little buttons with unintuitive labels to do basic things. Functions that only have hot keys and no buttons. Maybe I'm using a different version but what I have is in serious need of usability improvements. It's kind of ironic because the main feature (moving the blobs around) is insanely user friendly. It's like they got that part down and were like "ok, the main part is easy enough, they can figure out the rest." |
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Post by robschnapf on Jun 1, 2024 14:01:49 GMT -6
I wish I could help and I’m glad I can’t relate.
It’s totally intuitive for me here
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Post by copperx on Jun 1, 2024 21:16:13 GMT -6
It’s up in the tool menu De essing Volume Fade Is the upgraded version of Melodyne easier to navigate? I have the Essential version that comes with S1 and nothing seems to do what I think it's going to do. I can barely figure out how to zoom in and out and I've used it nearly daily for three years. Amazing tool. Horrible UI. Or at least completely unintuitive for me.. Melodyne is the most unfamiliar-feeling software of them all to me. Everything is backwards, and all the shift/option/command keys do the opposite of what I think they should do. Maybe they're replicating ProTools behavior (which I don't use)? |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 1, 2024 21:36:34 GMT -6
Is the upgraded version of Melodyne easier to navigate? I have the Essential version that comes with S1 and nothing seems to do what I think it's going to do. I can barely figure out how to zoom in and out and I've used it nearly daily for three years. Amazing tool. Horrible UI. Or at least completely unintuitive for me.. Melodyne is the most unfamiliar-feeling software of them all to me. Everything is backwards, and all the shift/option/command keys do the opposite of what I think they should do. Maybe they're replicating ProTools behavior (which I don't use)? I don't use ProTools either so maybe that's it. Good description, it all feels kind of backwards or upside down to me. As a result I underutilize it for sure. I've never done anything other than move monophonic blobs around which is kind of a shame cuz I know it does lots more than that. |
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Post by robschnapf on Jun 2, 2024 7:14:50 GMT -6
I don’t know guys, make friends with it.
It’s Not that hard
Also love the XQP hardware de Esser.
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Post by copperx on Jun 2, 2024 12:34:33 GMT -6
Melodyne is the most unfamiliar-feeling software of them all to me. Everything is backwards, and all the shift/option/command keys do the opposite of what I think they should do. Maybe they're replicating ProTools behavior (which I don't use)? I don't use ProTools either so maybe that's it. Good description, it all feels kind of backwards or upside down to me. As a result I underutilize it for sure. I've never done anything other than move monophonic blobs around which is kind of a shame cuz I know it does lots more than that. I decided to look into this and what do you know. In the preferences window you can change the keybindings to match other DAWs. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 2, 2024 14:38:57 GMT -6
I don't use ProTools either so maybe that's it. Good description, it all feels kind of backwards or upside down to me. As a result I underutilize it for sure. I've never done anything other than move monophonic blobs around which is kind of a shame cuz I know it does lots more than that. I decided to look into this and what do you know. In the preferences window you can change the keybindings to match other DAWs. I also downloaded a trial of the full version and the toolbar selections are much more extensive! But man... expensive. They ever have big sales on these? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 2, 2024 16:33:01 GMT -6
It’s up in the tool menu De essing Volume Fade Is the upgraded version of Melodyne easier to navigate? I have the Essential version that comes with S1 and nothing seems to do what I think it's going to do. I can barely figure out how to zoom in and out and I've used it nearly daily for three years. Amazing tool. Horrible UI. Or at least completely unintuitive for me.. Man I love Melodyne. I can fly in it with shortcuts. Btw - shift/command drag for zoom. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 2, 2024 16:50:08 GMT -6
Is the upgraded version of Melodyne easier to navigate? I have the Essential version that comes with S1 and nothing seems to do what I think it's going to do. I can barely figure out how to zoom in and out and I've used it nearly daily for three years. Amazing tool. Horrible UI. Or at least completely unintuitive for me.. Man I love Melodyne. I can fly in it with shortcuts. Btw - shift/command drag for zoom. I've never tried the polyphonic detection because I didn't have it in my version. As I type this I'm literally processing a guitar track that I was going to dump because of too many clams, curious to see how well this works. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 2, 2024 17:18:44 GMT -6
Man I love Melodyne. I can fly in it with shortcuts. Btw - shift/command drag for zoom. I've never tried the polyphonic detection because I didn't have it in my version. As I type this I'm literally processing a guitar track that I was going to dump because of too many clams, curious to see how well this works. Umm.... wow. Ok, this is taking this thread way off track. But I guess I'm late to the party on this, very late. This is amazing. I have a live guitar part that was played in a room with a piano and standup bass. I was gonna give up on it and retrack it myself because the dude didn't know the song (not his fault) and had some really bad misses in the low range (high range misses "jazzy", low range misses annoying). Fixed them all with polyphonic magic. Also, how come nobody told me about the Melodyne leveling??? |
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 2, 2024 20:35:09 GMT -6
So I bought the whole TDR Special Filters Bundle when it came out last year, but I honestly just hadn't used it much: a combination of less music work overall in 2024 and using tools I was already familiar (and faster) with when I did have something I could've used them on. That's the preamble. Here's the body: Holy hell. Arbiter might be the best de-esser I've ever tried, and I've tried A LOT of them. I was working on some spoken word dialogue last week and none of my de-essers were quite doing it for me (Waves Ren, Waves Sibilance, DMG Track DS, FabFilter Pro-DS, whatever that Eiosis one is called, the one in iZ RX, Soothe2 -- I feel like there were a couple more I tried, too). I demoed (and ended up buying) the Softube Weiss one and it did a better job than any of the others. But the next day I suddenly remembered TDR Arbiter and gave it a shot. MY GOSH. It absolutely, unquestionably, unflinchingly destroyed everything else by a long, long ways. I am beyond impressed. Oh, and it's like $40 when NOT on sale. Anyways, maybe it'll work for some of you, maybe it won't. But I am honestly wowed by this thing so far. Give it a demo if you haven't. thanks for the tip Mark! I’m quite sibilant myself, and have tried using all the plugs you mentioned to no avail. Never heard of this one, bookmarked and will get it eventually as another option. PS. I recently bought a B67/269 and that solved all my issues, amazing! I only mix tracks I produce (for myself and others), so I have the luxury of choosing the mic. |
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Post by russellcreekps on Jun 2, 2024 20:43:00 GMT -6
And just a note to say the one that worked best for my voice personally was the UAD Manley Voxbox on de-ess only (usually stacked up with another earlier in the chain)…I like the way it saturates the problem area without hyping the sibilance further.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 2, 2024 21:07:34 GMT -6
So I bought the whole TDR Special Filters Bundle when it came out last year, but I honestly just hadn't used it much: a combination of less music work overall in 2024 and using tools I was already familiar (and faster) with when I did have something I could've used them on. That's the preamble. Here's the body: Holy hell. Arbiter might be the best de-esser I've ever tried, and I've tried A LOT of them. I was working on some spoken word dialogue last week and none of my de-essers were quite doing it for me (Waves Ren, Waves Sibilance, DMG Track DS, FabFilter Pro-DS, whatever that Eiosis one is called, the one in iZ RX, Soothe2 -- I feel like there were a couple more I tried, too). I demoed (and ended up buying) the Softube Weiss one and it did a better job than any of the others. But the next day I suddenly remembered TDR Arbiter and gave it a shot. MY GOSH. It absolutely, unquestionably, unflinchingly destroyed everything else by a long, long ways. I am beyond impressed. Oh, and it's like $40 when NOT on sale. Anyways, maybe it'll work for some of you, maybe it won't. But I am honestly wowed by this thing so far. Give it a demo if you haven't. thanks for the tip Mark! I’m quite sibilant myself, and have tried using all the plugs you mentioned to no avail. Never heard of this one, bookmarked and will get it eventually as another option. PS. I recently bought a B67/269 and that solved all my issues, amazing! I only mix tracks I produce (for myself and others), so I have the luxury of choosing the mic. A good U67 or M269 definitely tends to eat those esses - one of the many things I love about those mics. If I'm recording myself, I can definitely control the esses via technique, mic choice, preamp choice, etc. It's definitely when you get stuff recorded by other people that it really can become a problem. |
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Post by rowmat on Jun 2, 2024 22:46:27 GMT -6
thanks for the tip Mark! I’m quite sibilant myself, and have tried using all the plugs you mentioned to no avail. Never heard of this one, bookmarked and will get it eventually as another option. PS. I recently bought a B67/269 and that solved all my issues, amazing! I only mix tracks I produce (for myself and others), so I have the luxury of choosing the mic. A good U67 or M269 definitely tends to eat those esses - one of the many things I love about those mics. If I'm recording myself, I can definitely control the esses via technique, mic choice, preamp choice, etc. It's definitely when you get stuff recorded by other people that it really can become a problem. However nothing (IMO) beats a Coles 4038 for ‘eating’ esses. No bump in the pesky 7khz-10khz area and almost flat out to 15khz which beats many of the typical LDC’s which are invariably falling off by about 12khz. Cole 4038 frequency response  Neumann U87 Ai frequency response  I never really considered a 4038 as a vocal mic until I worked out how to use it. You manage the low end by not instantly tweaking the EQ but by varying the distance from the source to control the proximity effect. That means maybe 8-16” from the source. Maybe further if it’s a deep male vocal. This additional distance also helps reduce sibilance and plosives. Then crank up the preamp providing the room is well controlled and you have enough clean gain. Add some 16khz shelving for some air and it won’t get knarly like many condensers. For those who claim a 4038 is too dark and muddy for a vocal mic you’re using it wrong. |
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Post by robschnapf on Jun 3, 2024 12:58:14 GMT -6
Polyphonic mode is pretty handy.
It does change the tone.
But I recorded a string quartet that had a 2nd violinist
with a hangover.
I tuned the violin and then tuned the bleed in all the other tracks.
It worked like a charm.
Pretty amazing.
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Post by mcirish on Jun 3, 2024 14:27:31 GMT -6
I just picked up Arbiter. Now to see how it stacks up against Weiss deesser.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 3, 2024 14:50:49 GMT -6
I just picked up Arbiter. Now to see how it stacks up against Weiss deesser. I like Weiss a lot, but Arbiter beat it on my last attempt. |
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Post by mcirish on Jun 3, 2024 15:04:59 GMT -6
I just picked up Arbiter. Now to see how it stacks up against Weiss deesser. I like Weiss a lot, but Arbiter beat it on my last attempt. Your post was why I'm even giving it a shot. paid full price too. so it better work! :-) Just teasin' If I had a dollar for every plugin I "hoped" would be the one, I could have a nice vacation. It's an addiction. |
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