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Post by bgrotto on May 26, 2024 18:56:48 GMT -6
Purple site having a heated discussion on this plug. Don't have the foggiest idea who "Streaky" is, but I gather he's not well liked on GS, and the thread has devolved accordingly. Anywho, he released a pretty darn good plugin called Tight Arse, which basically streamlines a LF compression for mix buss into a pretty user-friendly package. It's well-done, and quite effective. It's also way overpriced. So rather than spend 70 bucks or whatever, I made a preset of my own using tools I already own. One version is with Fab Filter Pro-MB, and it replicates the crossover and phase perfectly, and the compression action pretty much spot-on. When I was a/b-ing between Tight Arse and my FF preset, I couldn't tell a difference, so sonically, it's about as close to 1:1 as one can reasonably expect. But it doesn't include the (very, very cool IMO) auto makeup gain for the LF band that Tight Arse has, which to me is where that plug really shines. So I also made a preset with Ozone 11 that includes that functionality. When I a/b'd that against Tight Arse, it was damn close sonically, but then I tweaked some more to see if I could improve the sonics, and I do believe that with that extra work, my preset beats Tight Arse handily. I've attached both here for anyone that wants to play around with them. |
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Post by bgrotto on May 26, 2024 19:00:11 GMT -6
If you want the "S" enhancement that Tight Arse offers, the first setting is just a HPF (roughly 25Hz at 12db/oct), the second setting is a rather weird-sounding (IMHO) eq curve that applies the HPF and adds a narrow 1db-ish dip at 160, and med-Q boost at 280.
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Post by bgrotto on May 26, 2024 19:42:14 GMT -6
Haha, just found a post over there speculating about the processing taking place under the Tight Arse hood.
"It’s certainly more than just a single band from a multiband compressor. In short, it can tighten and balance the low end of a mix with the ability to add back in some punch if needed. This includes (speculating based on what it does) EQ, multiband compression, and possibly a Transient Designer."
Yeah...no. It's definitely just a single band of LF compression with some auto makeup gain. The UI is excellent and the settings are well-chosen, but it's not doing anything esoteric or complex in the slightest.
Christ I sound like Dan 🤦🏻♂️😂
(love you, Dan!)
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Post by Dan on May 26, 2024 20:36:25 GMT -6
I don’t get the hate. They should hate on everyone who has branded Waves plugs. If it saves you a couple of hours of time, it is worth 60 bucks. There are for more primitive things than this on gearspace the punters are praising. They love the mix head and phoenix II, “only ones that sound analogue” or some other bold claim when they’re primitive distortion devices and and there are other plugs that are 99% there like the fuse tcs-68 (hardware has pushed mids like a tube screamer or boss pedal but smoother for better or worse), satin (a really well calibrated tape deck and new tape but cleaner and stunt settings are possible), modern amp sims (most of the fun, none of the noise for many of them), and stuff that does the pushed or warm but clean like the fuse vpre 376 and silver bullet n. Yet something that saves time without noticeable artifacts can replace 2-3 plugs is hated on.
I thought the tdr filter bank was the most useful plugin in a few years. Not a lot of praise for that. The arbiter and infrasonic filter are brilliant.
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Post by Dan on May 26, 2024 20:45:25 GMT -6
If you want the "S" enhancement that Tight Arse offers, the first setting is just a HPF (roughly 25Hz at 12db/oct), the second setting is a rather weird-sounding (IMHO) eq curve that applies the HPF and adds a narrow 1db-ish dip at 160, and med-Q boost at 280. Cuts dc garbage present in modern digital mixes and partials near dc, cuts mud/resonance, adds growl. Decent moves. Compresors without any half-wave distortion that compress asymmetrical content will always add dc offset that should be filtered out before it hits your woofer. Not every modern digital processor has dc filters afterward like analog mostly does. This is a huge issue with making electronic music translate because they know nothing, clip because they know nothing, mix into limiters, etc and you have to remove dc that adds distortion they want on their system by pre excursing the woofers movement and then fake that weight. Anything that helps retain the timbre without the garbage or make it cooler overall is good. This looks like a good tool but infrasonic and eq work well for me. Weiss ds1 is great for band isolation compression. Leapwing Dynone and Unisum are also really good but I don’t like multiband processing. It sounds like crap if done for more than a db usually. |
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Post by chessparov on May 26, 2024 22:21:47 GMT -6
At the last NAMM, my friends at the Hilton Bar accused ME of being a tight Arse! So... I offered to buy ALL of them a drink. Turned out the ungrateful lot... Wanted one EACH!  |
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Post by Ward on May 27, 2024 4:26:59 GMT -6
At the last NAMM, my friends at the Hilton Bar accused ME of being a tight Arse! So... I offered to buy ALL of them a drink. Turned out the ungrateful lot... Wanted one EACH! Grasshopper |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 27, 2024 5:51:00 GMT -6
He’s a well known British mastering engineer, think he had also done Apollo product launch things for UA. He had a YouTube channel.
He seems pretty sensible.
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Post by nick8801 on May 27, 2024 6:08:01 GMT -6
People love to hate on that guy. He seems to give reasonable advice.
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Post by bgrotto on May 27, 2024 6:13:50 GMT -6
Good to know. Maybe I should check out his stuff…Are his videos worth a watch for an experienced professional, or is his content more aimed at the novice/aspiring bedroom type?
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Post by chipbuttie on May 27, 2024 6:32:21 GMT -6
I struggle to watch his videos, he kind of shouts the entire time!
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Post by kcatthedog on May 27, 2024 7:17:16 GMT -6
Good to know. Maybe I should check out his stuff…Are his videos worth a watch for an experienced professional, or is his content more aimed at the novice/aspiring bedroom type? I don’t think you’d get much from it, other than awareness of the gear he uses and why ? He also sells a mastering course etc., so some videos seem like promos. |
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Post by FM77 on May 27, 2024 8:14:04 GMT -6
Good to know. Maybe I should check out his stuff…Are his videos worth a watch for an experienced professional, or is his content more aimed at the novice/aspiring bedroom type? What I get from a ME like streaky, are reminders. Unintentional reminders. Sometimes fundamental, sometimes different and cool. Similar to what I get from forums. Unintentional problem solving from others experiences or others questions and current workflow. Problems I may not have right now. His videos are generally shorter and to the point. But like anyone who engages in YT, he seems to be having to learn the algos as well, which means getting creative with what to talk about. Personally I am fan of Dan Worrall.
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Post by Darren Boling on May 27, 2024 8:37:06 GMT -6
Good to know. Maybe I should check out his stuff…Are his videos worth a watch for an experienced professional, or is his content more aimed at the novice/aspiring bedroom type? I'd say it a mix of both. I haven't watched in a while but around 5 years ago it was more the former, but lately what pops up on YouTube seems more the latter. I first found him when he was reviewing some mastering gear and thought it was a solid take. edit: for what it's worth on his mastering eq setting someone here nailed it, he likes a poke at 60, sharp cut at 160, and a boost around 250ish then another around 2.5k, high end shelf to taste. He put a Pro-Q3 preset out once that contained that. |
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Post by Dan on May 27, 2024 8:39:28 GMT -6
Good to know. Maybe I should check out his stuff…Are his videos worth a watch for an experienced professional, or is his content more aimed at the novice/aspiring bedroom type? Novice for advice, pro for reviews but he’s not an idiot or just working with very poor sounding commercial metal like a few other YouTubers which most metal bands do not even want to sound like. Like I clicked one of his videos and he shows bedroom pop guys how to use any ssl channel strip comp as an rms leveler on an already compressed vocal but he doesn’t tell them that’s what he’s doing. That you can use most vca compressors or most clean itb compressors to do this, eg ren comp, oxford dynamics, pro c2, kotelnikov, presswerk, fir comp, mdwdrc2, pretty much most things, at the attack/release constants he is using or use the more programs dependent ones or to do it better to save even more fader moves time isn’t really explained. He would have to make another video for the beat makers explaining rms compression and why it’s better for this than a slower peak detector like an la2a (the side chain is so saturated i don’t know if it can even detect many short peaks anyway) and that might get blowback from the bedroom electronic pop and beatmaker crowd exposed to 10-20 years of “internet gear advice” Dan |
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Post by trakworxmastering on May 27, 2024 11:27:41 GMT -6
I lost all respect when I saw this:
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Post by Dan on May 27, 2024 12:18:21 GMT -6
I lost all respect when I saw this: Just habitually??? Wow. Why 160? I’ve seen the woof be anywhere from 120 to 400 hz. Why not a 1-2 db cut where the instrument is resonating or use a clean dynamic eq, weiss eq1 (turn off low latency mode in the plug because otherwise it has the hold but there is no lookahead attack smoothing!), tdr nova ge, sonnox Oxford dynamic eq to do even more off when it hits? My last track i mastered was 1 off at 140 and 400 ish with slick eq m (more in your face than the Weiss eq1 on this track), Weiss ds1 to compress it to the same volume(more in your face than kotelnikov for this), the tdr ultrasonic to shave off off some of the gross limited in the mix vsti synth high end, and then infrasonic to cut 20hz and below with odd order harmonics (retain weight, no half wave distortion)followed by limiter 6 ge as a safety limiter if there were any weird peaks to smack down. How can you give generalized advice for mastering? I mastered a live show that still isn’t out yet from just the stereo board mix I think, it had weird noise issues and feedback notched out with mdweq, crazy boosts on slick eq m to make things audible, molot ge for leveling/adding some punch/transient limiting, and then Oxford eq just to remove dc offset, no final limiter. Then I chopped up the hour or so long rendered track, faded everything in, tried to keep the hecklers, and it took forever. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 27, 2024 12:27:37 GMT -6
I lost all respect when I saw this: All problems solved! |
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Post by jaba on May 27, 2024 12:30:00 GMT -6
I lost all respect when I saw this: Just habitually??? Wow. Why 160? I’ve seen the woof be anywhere from 120 to 400 hz. Why not a 1-2 db cut where the instrument is resonating or use a clean dynamic eq, weiss eq1 (turn off low latency mode in the plug because otherwise it has the hold but there is no lookahead attack smoothing!), tdr nova ge, sonnox Oxford dynamic eq to do even more off when it hits? My last track i mastered was 1 off at 140 and 400 ish with slick eq m (more in your face than the Weiss eq1 on this track), Weiss ds1 to compress it to the same volume(more in your face than kotelnikov for this), the tdr ultrasonic to shave off off some of the gross limited in the mix vsti synth high end, and then infrasonic to cut 20hz and below with odd order harmonics (retain weight, no half wave distortion)followed by limiter 6 ge as a safety limiter if there were any weird peaks to smack down. How can you give generalized advice for mastering? I mastered a live show that still isn’t out yet from just the stereo board mix I think, it had weird noise issues and feedback notched out with mdweq, crazy boosts on slick eq m to make things audible, molot ge for leveling/adding some punch/transient limiting, and then Oxford eq just to remove dc offset, no final limiter. Then I chopped up the hour or so long rendered track, faded everything in, tried to keep the hecklers, and it took forever. Think of how much time you would have saved if you knew all you needed was a cut at 160. |
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Post by Quint on May 27, 2024 12:32:48 GMT -6
Never heard of this guy named Streaky. I don't know anything about him. But when I saw the thread title "Streaky Tight Arse", all I could think of was skid marks...  |
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Post by chessparov on May 27, 2024 12:47:35 GMT -6
Warm needs to get into Plugs. I can only imagine the Hot-ahem-Warm Models they'd use. (With the requisite Hipster types and "sick Lingo" the Kids use these days ) Chris |
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Post by FM77 on May 27, 2024 13:49:03 GMT -6
I lost all respect when I saw this: I don't think he's shooting for respect here, but rather clicks.
I have a few friends who are full-time YouTubers as part of their professional hustle along with sessions, touring, educating etc.
I have seen them put out 'lowest hanging fruit' content like this. I cringe, it's brutal, but I also understand it's not for me. They always get a pass from me as it's a total grind to do what they do. I can respect the person if I understand the intent. I can respect any creative person hustling to make their living in this very unique short attention spanned hyper social world we all have to navigate.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 27, 2024 15:02:27 GMT -6
I lost all respect when I saw this: I don't think he's shooting for respect here, but rather clicks.
I have a few friends who are full-time YouTubers as part of their professional hustle along with sessions, touring, educating etc. I have seen them put out 'lowest hanging fruit' content like this. I cringe, it's brutal, but I also understand it's not for me. They always get a pass from me as it's a total grind to do what they do. I can respect the person if I understand the intent. I can respect any creative person hustling to make their living in this very unique short attention spanned hyper social world we all have to navigate.
Yeah. I bet you could get a shit load of views by speaking in absolute absolutes. I know a bunch of guys that do it and a lot of them are - well - frauds. It’s not that they don’t know anything, it’s that they are borderline confidence men. I bet I could make some video called “this $100 compressor comes frighteningly close to a Fairchild!!” Or some bullshit like that. Doesn’t even have to be true or have any value. But I bet you it would get a shit load of views. |
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Post by FM77 on May 27, 2024 15:41:46 GMT -6
I don't think he's shooting for respect here, but rather clicks.
I have a few friends who are full-time YouTubers as part of their professional hustle along with sessions, touring, educating etc. I have seen them put out 'lowest hanging fruit' content like this. I cringe, it's brutal, but I also understand it's not for me. They always get a pass from me as it's a total grind to do what they do. I can respect the person if I understand the intent. I can respect any creative person hustling to make their living in this very unique short attention spanned hyper social world we all have to navigate.
Yeah. I bet you could get a shit load of views by speaking in absolute absolutes. I know a bunch of guys that do it and a lot of them are - well - frauds. It’s not that they don’t know anything, it’s that they are borderline confidence men. I bet I could make some video called “this $100 compressor comes frighteningly close to a Fairchild!!” Or some bullshit like that. Doesn’t even have to be true or have any value. But I bet you it would get a shit load of views. That would be the Alesis 3630, according to the EDM crowd 
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Post by russellcreekps on May 27, 2024 19:01:49 GMT -6
bgrotto thanks for that! I was looking at that one. Haven’t bought anything from Streaky but am on his email list and he is one of the few that comes out with really usable tips regularly.
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