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Post by henge on Jul 29, 2014 9:43:48 GMT -6
Well, I don't know how polished my mixing is, but I can have a 2 mix of the board mix and a final. That would be very cool! Thanks for this John. Funny you look alot younger than your avatar.... |
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Post by svart on Jul 29, 2014 9:49:56 GMT -6
Well, I don't know how polished my mixing is, but I can have a 2 mix of the board mix and a final. That would be cool. |
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Post by winetree on Jul 29, 2014 14:20:39 GMT -6
Would love to hear the results.
Just wondering. If you don't mind me asking and without getting into specific details,
Are these sesions out of pocket for you?
How many songs and hours booked?
How much would a(demo)session like this cost?
Great work
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Post by odyssey76 on Jul 29, 2014 15:10:17 GMT -6
JK - when you get into a studio with players of that caliber do you even think about the gear? I'd be mesmerized and glued to the performers. No way i could handle looking at Pro Tools on a monitor with that going on in the room. Maybe you get used to it? You're fortunate to have that scenario - thanks for sharing, looks like a dream…... Yeah - I honestly never even think about gear when I'm there. I think sometimes I take Nashville for granted! These players are just disgustingly great. It's not just heir ability to play, it's their ability to hear a worktape, go in and literally sound like a record the first take. I try to bring in a good work tape - sometimes I'll even build a track - for them to get an idea of what I'm going for...any "producing" I do is 90% casting the right players. I would like to think they're sometimes inspired by good songs - or at least not having to play shit. At least that's what they've told me and they continue to let me book them  . I just sit back, throw in the occasional idea and try not to get in the way of the amazing work that they do. And the engineers in this town. Damn. I've used Adam here at sound emporium for a while...and it's like a well oiled machine. Everything works, all the time, in a split second. These are records getting made at demo rate. That's the truth of the matter. (Of course, if I were to release it as such I would have to upscale what I paid them) If you guys are interested, I'll post the finished product of that song when I'm done. I'm gonna mix it, so that's the only drawback Very interested in hearing the final product or the board mix / both. It has to be a thrill just to hear these guys playing your tunes. Very inspirational, this is what it's all about. |
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Post by wiz on Jul 29, 2014 15:51:48 GMT -6
I loved the videos!!!
thats so awesome.
I was meant to go to Nashville as part of a USA trip last year.. but my shoulder crapped out and I had surgery that went south, and couldn't play let alone move my arm for the better part of a year. It was a huge bummer, I was going to record
in Memphis as well, at Sun. Oh well. I am hoping next year.
I would love to get an idea of what a session like this would run. If I do make it over next year, I would love to book something like this and do it.
and John, thanks for posting this, and please do post up a board and finished mix.
Actually, what I would most like to hear is the rough you played them, followed by what they came up with. That would be way cool.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by jeromemason on Jul 29, 2014 17:49:03 GMT -6
wiz depends on if you're wanting demo rate, which will be just as amazing as if you were to do the master. Musicians of the caliber that would amaze you for demo are usually around $260 per session + cartage if they require it which is usually around $125, but that is for the whole day, not session. If you don't have charts, you'll need a session leader, usually the most in demand person you get will be that guy, he'll make double scale. Sometimes though, if you get up and comers (they're amazing too) you can get away from the session leader, and a lot of times they'll go over session if you need them to, they probably won't ask for anything, but slipping them some extra in cash will make you a guy they want to work with and help out in the future. Studio rates usually hover around $60-$100 per hour or you can ball out and get a room at like blackbird for around $1,200 per day. It's a 9-9 with two grace hours for lunch and dinner at most studios if you book a day rate. Assistants are usually $25 an hour or about $250 a day, if you need one. Those numbers are not exact but pretty close. You can usually get musicians off the card, but it's better to do it on the card because of their benefits and if it's your first gig no one will look at you weird, some may offer it to you, some will offer to do things over the wire if you couldn't get it done in the studio as well, that's always off the card. You'll have fun for sure, your tunes will go to another level as well. Nashville players are the best in the world, and the coolest cats to be around.
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Post by wiz on Jul 29, 2014 19:29:09 GMT -6
wiz depends on if you're wanting demo rate, which will be just as amazing as if you were to do the master. Musicians of the caliber that would amaze you for demo are usually around $260 per session + cartage if they require it which is usually around $125, but that is for the whole day, not session. If you don't have charts, you'll need a session leader, usually the most in demand person you get will be that guy, he'll make double scale. Sometimes though, if you get up and comers (they're amazing too) you can get away from the session leader, and a lot of times they'll go over session if you need them to, they probably won't ask for anything, but slipping them some extra in cash will make you a guy they want to work with and help out in the future. Studio rates usually hover around $60-$100 per hour or you can ball out and get a room at like blackbird for around $1,200 per day. It's a 9-9 with two grace hours for lunch and dinner at most studios if you book a day rate. Assistants are usually $25 an hour or about $250 a day, if you need one. Those numbers are not exact but pretty close. You can usually get musicians off the card, but it's better to do it on the card because of their benefits and if it's your first gig no one will look at you weird, some may offer it to you, some will offer to do things over the wire if you couldn't get it done in the studio as well, that's always off the card. You'll have fun for sure, your tunes will go to another level as well. Nashville players are the best in the world, and the coolest cats to be around. thanks so much for the reply. hmm what can I sell to fund a day? 8) cheers Wiz |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 29, 2014 22:27:20 GMT -6
I loved the videos!!! thats so awesome. I was meant to go to Nashville as part of a USA trip last year.. but my shoulder crapped out and I had surgery that went south, and couldn't play let alone move my arm for the better part of a year. It was a huge bummer, I was going to record in Memphis as well, at Sun. Oh well. I am hoping next year. I would love to get an idea of what a session like this would run. If I do make it over next year, I would love to book something like this and do it. and John, thanks for posting this, and please do post up a board and finished mix. Actually, what I would most like to hear is the rough you played them, followed by what they came up with. That would be way cool. cheers Wiz I could do that...might be a little while, though...I've got to get vox and harms to 5 songs and then mixes. And I'm leaving for a week next week. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 29, 2014 22:29:58 GMT -6
wiz depends on if you're wanting demo rate, which will be just as amazing as if you were to do the master. Musicians of the caliber that would amaze you for demo are usually around $260 per session + cartage if they require it which is usually around $125, but that is for the whole day, not session. If you don't have charts, you'll need a session leader, usually the most in demand person you get will be that guy, he'll make double scale. Sometimes though, if you get up and comers (they're amazing too) you can get away from the session leader, and a lot of times they'll go over session if you need them to, they probably won't ask for anything, but slipping them some extra in cash will make you a guy they want to work with and help out in the future. Studio rates usually hover around $60-$100 per hour or you can ball out and get a room at like blackbird for around $1,200 per day. It's a 9-9 with two grace hours for lunch and dinner at most studios if you book a day rate. Assistants are usually $25 an hour or about $250 a day, if you need one. Those numbers are not exact but pretty close. You can usually get musicians off the card, but it's better to do it on the card because of their benefits and if it's your first gig no one will look at you weird, some may offer it to you, some will offer to do things over the wire if you couldn't get it done in the studio as well, that's always off the card. You'll have fun for sure, your tunes will go to another level as well. Nashville players are the best in the world, and the coolest cats to be around. Actually, demo rate is cheaper than that. $312 for leader and $156 for each side musician for 3 hours. Here's a link to the info - nashvillemusicians.org/uploaded/pdf/1392223626DemoScale_2015.pdf |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 29, 2014 22:33:18 GMT -6
And there are different Studio price points for everyone. I believe the A Room at Sound Emporium is $875 per day...but if you're just doing a half day, you can get a half day rate usually. Or the B Room is even cheaper, but still awesome (API Legacy)...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 29, 2014 22:34:46 GMT -6
BTW - if you plan on selling less than 10,000 copies, you can do demo rate.
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Post by wiz on Jul 29, 2014 23:29:00 GMT -6
thanks John
cheers
Wiz
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Post by levon on Jul 29, 2014 23:33:58 GMT -6
BTW - if you plan on selling less than 10,000 copies, you can do demo rate. You know, I always PLAN to sell waaaayyyy more than 10,000 copies, but nobody cares about what I plan. So I end up selling waaayyyy less than that.  I used to work in places like that in the 1980s - as an artist, not as an engineer - and I remember that awesome feeling being there. Since I sell way less than 10,000 these days, I can't afford this anymore. Wiz, I know what you mean, I was lucky enough to be able to go to Abbey Road for mastering and it was a treat. I hope your shoulder's better now and wish you all the luck in the world for your Nashville recording adventure. I know you'll find a way... |
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Post by wiz on Jul 30, 2014 1:08:26 GMT -6
BTW - if you plan on selling less than 10,000 copies, you can do demo rate. You know, I always PLAN to sell waaaayyyy more than 10,000 copies, my nobody cares about what I plan. So I end up selling waaayyyy less than that. I used to work in places like that in the 1980s - as an artist, not as an engineer - and I remember that awesome feeling being there. Since I sell way less than 10,000 these days, I can't afford this anymore. Wiz, I know what you mean, I was lucky enough to be able to go to Abbey Road for mastering and it was a treat. I hope your shoulder's better now and wish you all the luck in the world for your Nashville recording adventure. I know you'll find a way... thanks bud 8) Wiz |
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Post by Ward on Jul 30, 2014 7:26:22 GMT -6
BTW - if you plan on selling less than 10,000 copies, you can do demo rate. Most people are lucky to sell 1000 copies these days. And even many 'label' releases are selling less than 10,000. The work is just as rewarding but the financial rewards are very disappointing today. |
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Post by ericn on Jul 30, 2014 8:27:09 GMT -6
And there are different Studio price points for everyone. I believe the A Room at Sound Emporium is $875 per day...but if you're just doing a half day, you can get a half day rate usually. Or the B Room is even cheaper, but still awesome (API Legacy)... It always amazed me how many people would save their penny's for a short time for an a room, when they could have saved some $$ or spent more time in the B room and gotten very similar results no mater what studio it is the B room always has this stigma ! |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 30, 2014 8:56:22 GMT -6
Sound Emporium A. Here are a couple of pics. Eg's - Troy Lancaster and Derek Wells AG - Steve Sheehan Drums - Nir Z and Chad Cromwell Bass - Doug Kahan Keys - Jeff Roach Killer, killer band today! Great looking room too. Tons of vibe. Nice stuff man. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 2, 2014 23:53:54 GMT -6
So - here's one of the tracks...Jut finished mixing it and I'm fried, so it might be all over the place. I'll try and find the worktape I recorded when we wrote it too...
Really happy with this...
https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/get-to-me-mix1
I'm off to Disney for the week, but I'll be checking in...
Here's the Worktape
https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/get-to-mewk
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 3, 2014 1:29:59 GMT -6
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Post by unit7 on Aug 3, 2014 2:32:15 GMT -6
King!
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 3, 2014 3:27:53 GMT -6
World...ugh...it's early
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Post by sopwith on Aug 4, 2014 16:12:31 GMT -6
Wow, sounds fantastic. What was your vocal chain - is this the CV4? Really nice keys touches while remaining guitar driven.
Also - this is a demo?? Sheeez.
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Post by Ward on Aug 4, 2014 16:21:06 GMT -6
Very busy! But very very good!
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Post by jeromemason on Aug 4, 2014 17:17:52 GMT -6
Is that Derek on the solo? Sure sounds like his style.
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 4, 2014 18:49:15 GMT -6
Very busy! But very very good! I'll check with you next time. |
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