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Post by geoff738 on May 6, 2024 19:54:35 GMT -6
So I would potentially be using this on an SM7 (no b) or an R84.
Is there any reason to choose the Cloud one over the less expensive Triton one or the even less expensive Cathedral Pipes one. Or perhaps others I am not aware of.
Thanks! Geoff
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Post by drsax on May 6, 2024 23:56:52 GMT -6
So I would potentially be using this on an SM7 (no b) or an R84. Is there any reason to choose the Cloud one over the less expensive Triton one or the even less expensive Cathedral Pipes one. Or perhaps others I am not aware of. Thanks! Geoff I have and use both the cloud lifter and the cathedral pipes durham. I haven’t tested them back to back, but they both sound great. I use them both frequently and wouldn’t hesitate to grab either to get the job done.
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Post by Blackdawg on May 7, 2024 0:04:50 GMT -6
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Post by nick8801 on May 7, 2024 3:50:01 GMT -6
I really dig my Tierra Audio Pepper. I’d stay away from all the other flavors besides Salt. Pepper is like a Cloudlifter, but when things get really loud, you get some nice soft clipping to the peaks. I have a Triton too, sounds great, but it interacts weird with my tube preamps. The sound gets very thick and soft. A cool effect if you’re willing to commit!
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Post by ninworks on May 7, 2024 6:37:57 GMT -6
I have both a Cloudlifter and a Royer Dbooster. I haven't noticed any difference between the two. Since I got some high gain mic pre's I seldom use either of them anymore.
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Post by Ward on May 7, 2024 7:10:02 GMT -6
I have both a Cloudlifter and a Royer Dbooster. I haven't noticed any difference between the two. Since I got some high gain mic pre's I seldom use either of them anymore. I have a cloudlifter, I rarely use it. There seems to be some distortion in using it that doesn't show up in the specs. Am I alone in hearing that? It can be useful at times, but I find it present in use with most microphones and preamps
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Post by gwlee7 on May 7, 2024 8:33:47 GMT -6
sE Electronics also makes ones called the Dynamite. I have the DM1 and it's just as good as the cloud lifter I have.
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Post by svart on May 7, 2024 9:21:56 GMT -6
Haven't used either but I do have a comment.. I have a SM7A and a handful of ribbons and I can't say I've ever really felt the need to boost any of them. I can't remember a time that I turned any of the preamp gains up to what I felt was an abnormally high level..
What kind of configuration would require something like this?
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Post by Darren Boling on May 7, 2024 9:23:21 GMT -6
I have a pair of the Tritons and a pair of the Soyuz boosters. They all work great, nice problem solvers when you need it
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Post by matt@IAA on May 7, 2024 9:35:48 GMT -6
I'll be honest - I don't understand the purposes of these devices. It seems to me to be guaranteed worse noise performance than a mic pre with sufficient gain and the correct input impedance.
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Post by geoff738 on May 7, 2024 11:41:13 GMT -6
I see Warm now has one too.
I suppose I have survived for a couple decades plus with the low output mics I mentioned without having one of these things. I do find myself having to crank the gain quite a bit on the Daking on quiet sources and am considering selling my Syteks as I just haven’t used them in a long time. Wondered if one of these might help.
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by veggieryan on May 7, 2024 12:53:13 GMT -6
If you want a lower noise floor put that money towards a mic with higher sensitivity or a better preamp. I don't think its ever a good idea to try a use an inline mic preamp that runs on 48V phantom power unless your main mic preamp is really terrible. Boosters always sound mediocre at best to me.
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Post by hadaja on May 7, 2024 15:42:59 GMT -6
If you want to get the Cloud lifter with the selectable impedance to have some tonal options thats a great choice, but if you dont want that option then just buy a cheaper one. the Fethead sounds fine. There are so many different options of probably the same J-Fet design.
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Post by nick8801 on May 7, 2024 15:47:21 GMT -6
The in line preamps are great if I’m doing a very soft finger style guitar with a ribbon. The fet head does something to the high end on my sm7 that I really really like. It’s like thicker and smoother or something. Got the pepper thing out of curiosity. It’s great on acoustic guitars.
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Post by russellcreekps on May 7, 2024 17:26:12 GMT -6
I have both a Cloudlifter and a Royer Dbooster. I haven't noticed any difference between the two. Since I got some high gain mic pre's I seldom use either of them anymore. Same for me
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Post by ericn on May 7, 2024 17:48:32 GMT -6
I'll be honest - I don't understand the purposes of these devices. It seems to me to be guaranteed worse noise performance than a mic pre with sufficient gain and the correct input impedance. Granted getting the pre right from the get go is optimal, but I get it having one or 2 around for a quick boost of gain is handy. Won’t lie I have considered picking up a pair used to throw in the gear bag, but I think these have become the an easy affordable solution for lazy gearpimps. It’s easier to sell a booster rather than remind the client “ remember I warned you that the SM7B needs lots of gain” the other thing is a really simple concept add another piece to the simplest of signal chains and your going to have to reduce the gain structure.
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Post by ulriggribbons on May 7, 2024 18:01:53 GMT -6
I'll be honest - I don't understand the purposes of these devices. It seems to me to be guaranteed worse noise performance than a mic pre with sufficient gain and the correct input impedance. For people who have mic pres that top out in the 60'ish dB range, and are recording softer sources with ribbon mics, the different boosters can help if their mic pre is noisier in it's upper gain range. A lot of all in one recording interfaces fall into this category. The ones I've tested work ok, but are often noisier than the input of my mic pre. I still expect to find one of these boosters in a box of Wheaties someday, as it seems everyone and their dog makes one now. =P $.02
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Post by EmRR on May 7, 2024 19:50:12 GMT -6
Use one onstage or any place full of bozos who might hot patch a ribbon to inadvertent phantom = mic condom
Use one with very long lines (100+ feet) to send more down the line, higher above the noize.
Sometimes by letting you use lower pre gain you can keep internal PSU hum components much lower.
Most modern digital consoles have pretty high Z pres already, higher than a cloudlifter. Yamaha and A&H are 7k, so a cloudlifter is a downgrade on that front.
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Post by chessparov on May 7, 2024 20:42:26 GMT -6
I have a pair of the Tritons and a pair of the Soyuz boosters. They all work great, nice problem solvers when you need it Just skimming tonight guys. But... I do have a Mint OG/Soyuz Launcher-not the Deluxe... I can sell (somewhat ) on the cheap. A "Good Buddy"/RGO kinda price. Unfortunately, my Crooner toned Voice isn't realistically planning any Kick A** Rawk singing to do. LOL! (More James Taylor here than James Brown) I think the original Launcher is cool also on Amps/Etc. Can send PM to OP, if they like... Chris P.S. As some may know here. Originally the Launcher was largely designed for the SM7.
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Post by thirdeye on May 8, 2024 6:50:08 GMT -6
I always thought the cloudlifter added noise when I used it. For a SM7b, I suggest installing the Anser Mod Kit from Trace Audio. Anser Mod
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Post by Mister Chase on May 8, 2024 10:01:20 GMT -6
If you just need gain then sure, I guess. I always thought there was an implication of "clean" gain with these devices that would make the end result quieter vs cranking your pre. I have lots of pres here and have owned many. Nothing is as clean as my Hardy-M2 and IAA QPP. That's what I use if the usual suspects need cranking and are a little too noisy. Haven't really used the Cloud Lifter in years.
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Post by niklas1073 on May 8, 2024 14:46:59 GMT -6
I used to have a cloud back when i had a cheap stereo ribbon i used it with. I think it worked great. At the time I was pairing it up with a pre that didn't have quite the gain i needed for room miking with the blumlein. Never felt it added any noise to the already slightly noisy mic. If nothing else it protects your passive ribbon from accidental phantom 😜
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Post by gravesnumber9 on May 8, 2024 14:50:10 GMT -6
Haven't used my Cloudlifter in ages. Any off-label uses that could be cool?
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Post by EmRR on May 8, 2024 17:24:27 GMT -6
The cheap Klark Teknik (Behringer) works fine. 7K input Z. There's a Polsen and Triton that are 22K input Z.
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Post by geoff738 on May 9, 2024 14:44:48 GMT -6
Well I went and ordered the Cathedral Pipes one. Because other than the KT one it was cheapest. I guess we’ll see when it gets here whether I think it’s an improvement over just using the pres I have. If not I will move it along.
Cheers, Geoff
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