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Post by Quint on May 4, 2024 11:41:35 GMT -6
UC1, UF1, UF8 - Impressive level build quality. The setup, downloads, installs, reg, iLoK were fast. This may run Cubase/Nuendo with MMC, but for the information it needs to communicate with, I haven't found a single limit or hiccup that hasn't been solved in the past year. SSL has already configure so much in advance. Here in 2024, it is more functional and deep out of the box, even without any personalization assigned to the controllers yet. Quickly evident how much more superior the layout and functionality is. Impressive. Exceeded my expectations.
Got a song to mix by Monday, i'll use it as a surface level learning curve tune and deep dive after that. After dumping UAD and Softube, I am really looking forward to finishing this album on this.
Planning how to build an offset frame for it in the coming weeks.
 The softkey customization is pretty cool. It was definitely a selling point for me. You can assign hotkey shortcuts to soft keys on the UF8/1, and have those trigger whatever. You can even set up macros. Short of doing something more complex with Stream Deck and/or Keyboard Maestro, the customization on the SSL stuff is the next best thing. And SSL is constantly upgrading and refining these controllers. Most of the other controllers out there seem pretty stagnant. |
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Post by Johnkenn on May 5, 2024 7:35:55 GMT -6
That's cool - I don't agree with any of your assertions - but that's the nature of making art and buying gear  Of course, but I already assumed that. All good here. You don't mention any actual experience with SSL drivers, so I have no idea where you gleaned your opinions. My question to you was a legit question. It is useful to know whether you are speaking from 2nd-3rd hand internet reading or personal experience.
I have read alot of things you post that you believe to be true that I know are not. You don't believe it is necessary to measure a studio room or control room either. Nor do you think it is needed to even measure a room or listening space before correcting it with acoustical treatment to see what or where you may need it. Randomly putting up bass traps and broadband absorbers is enough according to your opinion. You don't believe in the science of phase correction like Trinnov software or even room correction / eq. etc. etc.
Grain of salt.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 5, 2024 7:37:42 GMT -6
Alright - let me stop this kind of thread from happening again...because this was devolving into some gearslutz bullshit. I appreciate you guys seemingly burying the hatchet. I can't read every single thread on this forum, so I need you guys to choose not to be snarky and try to right-fight.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 5, 2024 7:43:24 GMT -6
As far as the SSL controllers - they look badass. But EVERY TIME I get something like this, it makes me feel like I've got a cast on my arm. Just takes me out of my normal workflow...maybe I just haven't found the right thing. It's funny, people talk about mouse and keystrokes, but sometimes it's not even as efficient as the mouse.
The one with the fader is probably the only one I'd be interested in...but I've got so much other stuff I'd rather have, this would be more of a luxury.
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Post by FM77 on May 5, 2024 8:37:11 GMT -6
Alright - let me stop this kind of thread from happening again...because this was devolving into some gearslutz bullshit. I appreciate you guys seemingly burying the hatchet. I can't read every single thread on this forum, so I need you guys to choose not to be snarky and try to right-fight. ?? You may have read more into this than there is John. There was no hatchet to bury.
When a sincere pre-purchase question is asked about a piece of gear, seeking others experience, and you get a reply about how the company who makes said gear is the worst, despite not having experience with said gear, it offers nothing but a passive agressive negative spin and derails the information. Again grain of salt.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 5, 2024 9:21:14 GMT -6
Alright - let me stop this kind of thread from happening again...because this was devolving into some gearslutz bullshit. I appreciate you guys seemingly burying the hatchet. I can't read every single thread on this forum, so I need you guys to choose not to be snarky and try to right-fight. ?? You may have read more into this than there is John. There was no hatchet to bury.
When a sincere pre-purchase question is asked about a piece of gear, seeking others experience, and you get a reply about how the company who makes said gear is the worst, despite not having experience with said gear, it offers nothing but a passive agressive negative spin and derails the information. Again grain of salt.
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Post by wiz on May 5, 2024 15:15:30 GMT -6
As far as the SSL controllers - they look badass. But EVERY TIME I get something like this, it makes me feel like I've got a cast on my arm. Just takes me out of my normal workflow...maybe I just haven't found the right thing. It's funny, people talk about mouse and keystrokes, but sometimes it's not even as efficient as the mouse. The one with the fader is probably the only one I'd be interested in...but I've got so much other stuff I'd rather have, this would be more of a luxury. I am with you on this…..every time I get a controller …(alpha track,presonus fader thing, behringer x touch, console 1) I end up getting rid of it. It’s ends up being in the way, and I have trouble fitting the keyboard and mouse ergonomically …and I really don’t end up using more than one fader…and end up doing it all with a mouse. the only one I had that worked was the old AW4416 recording system because I wasn’t using a daw to record and mix. i think that’s what I would need…a controller that completely takes over the daw and I only needed a keyboard for naming things. Still I covet every new one that comes along cheers Wiz |
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Post by thehightenor on May 6, 2024 2:59:30 GMT -6
?? You may have read more into this than there is John. There was no hatchet to bury.
When a sincere pre-purchase question is asked about a piece of gear, seeking others experience, and you get a reply about how the company who makes said gear is the worst, despite not having experience with said gear, it offers nothing but a passive agressive negative spin and derails the information. Again grain of salt.
OK - so we're past all that now. It's cool John, I've been at this game full time for over 40 years ... I've got a very thick skin. When people say "everything I say about pro audio is wrong" .... I take it with "a grain of salt" You gotta love irony  |
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Post by Dan on May 6, 2024 5:24:29 GMT -6
Of course, but I already assumed that. All good here. You don't mention any actual experience with SSL drivers, so I have no idea where you gleaned your opinions. My question to you was a legit question. It is useful to know whether you are speaking from 2nd-3rd hand internet reading or personal experience.
SSL Nucleus You don't believe it is necessary to measure a studio room or control room either. Nor do you think it is needed to even measure a room or listening space before correcting it with acoustical treatment to see what or where you may need it. Randomly putting up bass traps and broadband absorbers is enough according to your opinion. You don't believe in the science of phase correction like Trinnov software or even room correction / eq. etc. etc.
Grain of salt.
I have an SSL Duende DSP paper weight. A close friend has a somewhat useless SSL Nucleus MK1 (this could of been easily supported) I have an RME Multiface mk1 from 20 years ago - still supported by the very latest drivers! Choices. Good luck with yours (that's a genuine sentiment) this is to control the modern native versions of the duende plugs too which are ports from the c200  |
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Post by Dan on May 6, 2024 5:32:18 GMT -6
As far as the SSL controllers - they look badass. But EVERY TIME I get something like this, it makes me feel like I've got a cast on my arm. Just takes me out of my normal workflow...maybe I just haven't found the right thing. It's funny, people talk about mouse and keystrokes, but sometimes it's not even as efficient as the mouse. The one with the fader is probably the only one I'd be interested in...but I've got so much other stuff I'd rather have, this would be more of a luxury. They’re far slower than the fabfitler type guis seen in pro q, Weiss eq mp, crave eq, js:reeq, etc, Compression/gate wise, the ssl plugs suck. Even versus something ancient like the Oxford dynamics and the waves renaissance stuff. Versus new plugs that have built in 4x over sampling like softube, uad, fuse, presswerk not even some complex stuff like tdr or Weiss, they’re awful. Faderwise, the little avid eucon thing is cool but it’s not worth over a thousand bucks. Who needs 32 faders to automate at once? |
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Post by FM77 on May 6, 2024 6:07:06 GMT -6
As far as the SSL controllers - they look badass. But EVERY TIME I get something like this, it makes me feel like I've got a cast on my arm. Just takes me out of my normal workflow...maybe I just haven't found the right thing. It's funny, people talk about mouse and keystrokes, but sometimes it's not even as efficient as the mouse. The one with the fader is probably the only one I'd be interested in...but I've got so much other stuff I'd rather have, this would be more of a luxury. They’re far slower than the fabfitler type guis seen in pro q, Weiss eq mp, crave eq, js:reeq, etc, Compression/gate wise, the ssl plugs suck. Even versus something ancient like the Oxford dynamics and the waves renaissance stuff. Versus new plugs that have built in 4x over sampling like softube, uad, fuse, presswerk not even some complex stuff like tdr or Weiss, they’re awful. Faderwise, the little avid eucon thing is cool but it’s not worth over a thousand bucks. Who needs 32 faders to automate at once? I like SSL plugins. I have had great success with them, alot of us have. The ported from c200 is not an issue in the least, it has no relevance for me. SSL are easy to dump on, but then again that is the nature of pro audio technology. But the company is doing great things. Studios are still upgrading with new SSL desks and technology regularly. The SSL Bus Comp2 plugin hasn't changed in years, outside of some internal update according to SSL, but it is still one of the best sounding/feeling comps made, I use it as my primary plugin comp along with hardware comps. I like what it does. And the newer fusion plugins are excellent.
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Post by Dan on May 6, 2024 6:35:24 GMT -6
They’re far slower than the fabfitler type guis seen in pro q, Weiss eq mp, crave eq, js:reeq, etc, Compression/gate wise, the ssl plugs suck. Even versus something ancient like the Oxford dynamics and the waves renaissance stuff. Versus new plugs that have built in 4x over sampling like softube, uad, fuse, presswerk not even some complex stuff like tdr or Weiss, they’re awful. Faderwise, the little avid eucon thing is cool but it’s not worth over a thousand bucks. Who needs 32 faders to automate at once? I like SSL plugins. I have had great success with them, alot of us have. The ported from c200 is not an issue in the least, it has no relevance for me. SSL are easy to dump on, but then again that is the nature of pro audio technology. But the company is doing great things. Studios are still upgrading with new SSL desks and technology regularly. The SSL Bus Comp2 plugin hasn't changed in years, outside of some internal update according to SSL, but it is still one of the best sounding/feeling comps made, I use it as my primary plugin comp along with hardware comps. I like what it does. And the newer fusion plugins are excellent.
it’s a standard textbook digital compressor with zero attempts at internal distortion prevention beyond 4x oversampling of the entire process which it didn’t even have until a couple years ago. It is in no way an ssl bus compressor and ssl are full of it. The Glue and UAD are far closer to the hardware. Even the psp buspressor, a standard digital comp with no oversampling, gets more of the “glue” feel down. You can run the glue at 705.6 or 768 kHz very easily on modern computers and the multi rate oversampling plugins also go almost into the mhz for parts of the side chain Compared to older compressors that used lookahead to smooth the attack, ones with internal distortion prevention, and ones with multirate algorithms, including some with all three like the Weiss DS1, what SSL offers are very very poor compressors. Throw in that you can get a decent stereo bus compressor hardware for a few hundred bucks that will track the signal perfectly but have some distortion and can get ones that are pretty much cleaned up vca compressors with much less distortion and more program dependency for a few thousand, they don’t have a lot to offer with their plugs and Chinese hardware. |
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Post by Dan on May 6, 2024 6:45:35 GMT -6
And SSL have not upgraded their circuits in ages. In fact, they’ve moved backward to more distorted circuits from where they were pre China sell out and less repairable than what they were selling decades ago and made their reputation on. JRC4580 in 500 series claiming to be SSL 4000 circuits. Clipped diode 4k button on the interfaces. When Tascam was much cleaner than SSL for a good 10 years in the days of the DA-3000 was a trip.
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Post by FM77 on May 6, 2024 6:48:45 GMT -6
I like SSL plugins. I have had great success with them, alot of us have. The ported from c200 is not an issue in the least, it has no relevance for me. SSL are easy to dump on, but then again that is the nature of pro audio technology. But the company is doing great things. Studios are still upgrading with new SSL desks and technology regularly. The SSL Bus Comp2 plugin hasn't changed in years, outside of some internal update according to SSL, but it is still one of the best sounding/feeling comps made, I use it as my primary plugin comp along with hardware comps. I like what it does. And the newer fusion plugins are excellent.
it’s a standard textbook digital compressor with zero attempts at internal distortion prevention beyond 4x oversampling of the entire process which it didn’t even have until a couple years ago. It is in no way an ssl bus compressor and ssl are full of it. The Glue and UAD are far closer to the hardware. Even the psp buspressor, a standard digital comp with no oversampling, gets more of the “glue” feel down. You can run the glue at 705.6 or 768 kHz very easily on modern computers and the multi rate oversampling plugins also go almost into the mhz for parts of the side chain Compared to older compressors that used lookahead to smooth the attack, ones with internal distortion prevention, and ones with multirate algorithms, including some with all three like the Weiss DS1, what SSL offers are very very poor compressors. Throw in that you can get a decent stereo bus compressor hardware for a few hundred bucks that will track the signal perfectly but have some distortion and can get ones that are pretty much cleaned up vca compressors with much less distortion and more program dependency for a few thousand, they don’t have a lot to offer with their plugs and Chinese hardware.
Yeah, I understand the position and chronic hate, but what difference would it make? I don't relate to it, not with SSL. With other companies perhaps. Despite it not being like an 'SSL Bus Comp' it is a fantastic compressor. I use it with great success. That should be enough to keep using it. I don't buy into SSL marketing or anybody else's marketing. I just try something and if it works for me, i'll keep using it. Good looking GUIS sell more plugins than good sounding plugins. I have an SSL Xlogic rackmount bus comp (currently needs a PS) and the Audio Scape G-comp here. They don't sound like the console buss either. But they sound great and I like them alo. Honestly, my point is, the 'c200 port' is a non issue for me.
Outside of that, we all use what we gel with hopefully.
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Post by thehightenor on May 6, 2024 9:21:46 GMT -6
And SSL have not upgraded their circuits in ages. In fact, they’ve moved backward to more distorted circuits from where they were pre China sell out and less repairable than what they were selling decades ago and made their reputation on. JRC4580 in 500 series claiming to be SSL 4000 circuits. Clipped diode 4k button on the interfaces. When Tascam was much cleaner than SSL for a good 10 years in the days of the DA-3000 was a trip. My plugin folder (I clear out occasionally) is littered with old plug-ins that have been surpassed by newer plug-ins. It’s the nature of all things digital, be it the physical computers and computers OS, converters, DAW’s and DSP processors, sample libraries, VI’s - the march of progress consigns them to my metaphorical waste bin. Some plug-ins, VI’s and converter designs have survived the test of time (sample libraries almost never do) but on the whole DSP coding has improved enormously in recent years. It’s a great time to be mixing ITB (if that’s you thing) Never thought I’d say that!! |
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