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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 22, 2024 20:18:33 GMT -6
Got an offer of $2650 for my Amphion One 18s and Lexicon 212nt. VK has the new Barefoot in stock for many hundreds less than what I’d be getting…
Here’s my hesitation. I’m pretty damn satisfied with my One 18s…but I could always find another used pair. The Lexicon, though, makes me have cold feet. It’s a rebranded Bryston 3Bst. Unfortunately, no one knows what they are, so they’re not very valuable on the market, but it’s valuable to me because I don’t wanna have to pay another $2k for a power amp in the future. But - might not ever want one again…choices.
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Post by notneeson on Apr 22, 2024 20:36:59 GMT -6
I'd probably keep what I know is working for me, but I do understand the temptation. Personally, I find 3 ways kinda confusing. Maybe if I lived with some long enough.
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Post by andersmv on Apr 22, 2024 21:42:30 GMT -6
Got an offer of $2650 for my Amphion One 18s and Lexicon 212nt. VK has the new Barefoot in stock for many hundreds less than what I’d be getting… Here’s my hesitation. I’m pretty damn satisfied with my One 18s…but I could always find another used pair. The Lexicon, though, makes me have cold feet. It’s a rebranded Bryston 3Bst. Unfortunately, no one knows what they are, so they’re not very valuable on the market, but it’s valuable to me because I don’t wanna have to pay another $2k for a power amp in the future. But - might not ever want one again…choices. Read the thread on them on the purple site before you think about that sight unseen. Most people are pretty frustrated over the amps being a bit noisy in the new 03’s. Something to consider, as it seems like they’re all like that at this point. Some people are talking it up like it’s unbearably loud, so I don’t know what to make of it. Sound wise, it seems pretty universal that they sound good. I’ve spent a decent amount of time at another studio with your Amphions, and I currently have Barefoot MM45’s. My preference is still the Barefoots, but your Amphions are right up there with them as far as the quality (MM45’s obviously have much more low end and sound bigger, just physics at that point). Your Amphions are really good, I’m worried it might just be a lateral move for you shifting to the Barefoots, and having the learning curve of adjusting to a very different sounding set of speakers. Save some money and go for a bigger upgrade at some point, unless you’re able to hear the Barefoots ahead of time and really like them. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 22, 2024 21:55:30 GMT -6
Got an offer of $2650 for my Amphion One 18s and Lexicon 212nt. VK has the new Barefoot in stock for many hundreds less than what I’d be getting… Here’s my hesitation. I’m pretty damn satisfied with my One 18s…but I could always find another used pair. The Lexicon, though, makes me have cold feet. It’s a rebranded Bryston 3Bst. Unfortunately, no one knows what they are, so they’re not very valuable on the market, but it’s valuable to me because I don’t wanna have to pay another $2k for a power amp in the future. But - might not ever want one again…choices. Read the thread on them on the purple site before you think about that sight unseen. Most people are pretty frustrated over the amps being a bit noisy in the new 03’s. Something to consider, as it seems like they’re all like that at this point. Some people are talking it up like it’s unbearably loud, so I don’t know what to make of it. Sound wise, it seems pretty universal that they sound good. I’ve spent a decent amount of time at another studio with your Amphions, and I currently have Barefoot MM45’s. My preference is still the Barefoots, but your Amphions are right up there with them as far as the quality (MM45’s obviously have much more low end and sound bigger, just physics at that point). Your Amphions are really good, I’m worried it might just be a lateral move for you shifting to the Barefoots, and having the learning curve of adjusting to a very different sounding set of speakers. Save some money and go for a bigger upgrade at some point, unless you’re able to hear the Barefoots ahead of time and really like them. The voice of reason. Thank you. |
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Post by andersmv on Apr 22, 2024 22:41:26 GMT -6
Read the thread on them on the purple site before you think about that sight unseen. Most people are pretty frustrated over the amps being a bit noisy in the new 03’s. Something to consider, as it seems like they’re all like that at this point. Some people are talking it up like it’s unbearably loud, so I don’t know what to make of it. Sound wise, it seems pretty universal that they sound good. I’ve spent a decent amount of time at another studio with your Amphions, and I currently have Barefoot MM45’s. My preference is still the Barefoots, but your Amphions are right up there with them as far as the quality (MM45’s obviously have much more low end and sound bigger, just physics at that point). Your Amphions are really good, I’m worried it might just be a lateral move for you shifting to the Barefoots, and having the learning curve of adjusting to a very different sounding set of speakers. Save some money and go for a bigger upgrade at some point, unless you’re able to hear the Barefoots ahead of time and really like them. The voice of reason. Thank you. Oh god, no… Sell all your stuff and buy the Barefoots 😂 |
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Post by ragan on Apr 22, 2024 23:40:51 GMT -6
I’m in the ‘Don’t make a lateral move unless you’re really sure about it’ camp.
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Post by tasteliketape on Apr 23, 2024 0:57:04 GMT -6
My VK rep let me demo the 02’s in my home , just had to pay shipping if I sent them back . He was ok with sending several different monitors to demo ( one set at a time) . 30 day return
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 23, 2024 2:41:19 GMT -6
If you really like the barefoot, I’d sell the Amphion as you can get another pair, but you have never said, what are the barefoot bringing that matters that much ?
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 23, 2024 3:32:03 GMT -6
John, maybe rather than a sideway step, you should push the boat out and get your final keeper pair of monitors. ATC 25’s or 45’s Or similar. Then you’re done and dusted forever with monitors  |
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Post by nick8801 on Apr 23, 2024 4:03:59 GMT -6
I wouldn’t trade a pair a high end speakers that work really well for you, for an entry level pair from another company that you’ve never even used before.
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Post by bluesholyman on Apr 23, 2024 5:44:29 GMT -6
I’m in the ‘Don’t make a lateral move unless you’re really sure about it’ camp. I think I'm in this camp also - there has to be sufficient "other" benefit if its a lateral move. I'm also in the camp of "let the impulse subside" and then see if it still makes sense to you. Sometimes its a no brainer, but if you are asking, its more of a rational thought process needed I think. If I may be frank (I don't like being bob), it feels a bit like SOS (shiny object syndrome.) |
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Post by svart on Apr 23, 2024 6:15:43 GMT -6
The waveguide vs. No waveguide thing makes me hesitate. I don't think I can work on monitors that don't have super wide tweeter dispersion anymore.
Granted, I haven't listened to the 3's but I didn't like the 1's and these seem to be of the same or lesser pedigree..
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 23, 2024 9:24:07 GMT -6
John, maybe rather than a sideway step, you should push the boat out and get your final keeper pair of monitors. ATC 25’s or 45’s Or similar. Then you’re done and dusted forever with monitors Man, I gotta be honest…I don’t get ATCs. I had the baby scm12’s, but I don’t think those are particularly representative of the line. And I’ve never mixed on the 25s. So maybe I’m completely missing the boat. But every time I listen to them I always think they sound boxy with no low end. I definitely lack experience with them. And as I’m drinking my morning coffee with almond milk because there’s no milk and that pisses me off because almond milk tastes like the tears of real milk…but I digress…as I drink my morning coffee, it leads me to this riddle: how can something have “better” midrange? Wouldn’t that just be “louder” midrange? Is it just that it’s like a quicker slew to the transient or something? As far as why I want to? Because I’m a glutton for punishment. lol. It’s a hobby. I love the excitement of the deal. The possibility of taking a chance and finding something killer is more fun than the slight hassle that I gotta go find some used Amphions again lol. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 23, 2024 9:30:12 GMT -6
Better in the sense of more clearly defined: with a speaker and an amp dedicated to a tighter band of frequencies, which also d benefits the woofer and tweeter.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 23, 2024 9:30:49 GMT -6
Just looked on reverb and there are a lot of one 18s available. It’s a gamble.
Plus side - I sell the Amphions, buy the Barefoots, pocket the several hundy extra, get to take my sub and amp out of the chain and out from under the desk and they end up sounding even better than the Amphions
Negative side - they don’t and now I gotta take the walk of shame back to VK and hope I can find some Amphions quick (although I might try the One15s again…I almost liked those better than the 18s but my ego wouldn’t allow a speaker that small lol)
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Post by svart on Apr 23, 2024 9:32:23 GMT -6
John, maybe rather than a sideway step, you should push the boat out and get your final keeper pair of monitors. ATC 25’s or 45’s Or similar. Then you’re done and dusted forever with monitors Man, I gotta be honest…I don’t get ATCs. I had the baby scm12’s, but I don’t think those are particularly representative of the line. And I’ve never mixed on the 25s. So maybe I’m completely missing the boat. But every time I listen to them I always think they sound boxy with no low end. I definitely lack experience with them. And as I’m drinking my morning coffee with almond milk because there’s no milk and that pisses me off because almond milk tastes like the tears of real milk…but I digress…as I drink my morning coffee, it leads me to this riddle: how can something have “better” midrange? Wouldn’t that just be “louder” midrange? Is it just that it’s like a quicker slew to the transient or something? As far as why I want to? Because I’m a glutton for punishment. lol. It’s a hobby. I love the excitement of the deal. The possibility of taking a chance and finding something killer is more fun than the slight hassle that I gotta go find some used Amphions again lol.  |
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 23, 2024 9:36:26 GMT -6
John, maybe rather than a sideway step, you should push the boat out and get your final keeper pair of monitors. ATC 25’s or 45’s Or similar. Then you’re done and dusted forever with monitors Man, I gotta be honest…I don’t get ATCs. I had the baby scm12’s, but I don’t think those are particularly representative of the line. And I’ve never mixed on the 25s. So maybe I’m completely missing the boat. But every time I listen to them I always think they sound boxy with no low end. I definitely lack experience with them. And as I’m drinking my morning coffee with almond milk because there’s no milk and that pisses me off because almond milk tastes like the tears of real milk…but I digress…as I drink my morning coffee, it leads me to this riddle: how can something have “better” midrange? Wouldn’t that just be “louder” midrange? Is it just that it’s like a quicker slew to the transient or something? As far as why I want to? Because I’m a glutton for punishment. lol. It’s a hobby. I love the excitement of the deal. The possibility of taking a chance and finding something killer is more fun than the slight hassle that I gotta go find some used Amphions again lol. 25's are amazing imho. The amount of mid range detail on offer is incredible. Boxy and bass light aren't two words I would ever associate with my 25's. What you hear is exactly what've you've got. To my mind that's what I want from monitors. Worth a demo one day maybe |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 23, 2024 9:36:42 GMT -6
Naugahyde too. You know how many little Nauga’s have to die every year?
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 23, 2024 9:38:01 GMT -6
Man, I gotta be honest…I don’t get ATCs. I had the baby scm12’s, but I don’t think those are particularly representative of the line. And I’ve never mixed on the 25s. So maybe I’m completely missing the boat. But every time I listen to them I always think they sound boxy with no low end. I definitely lack experience with them. And as I’m drinking my morning coffee with almond milk because there’s no milk and that pisses me off because almond milk tastes like the tears of real milk…but I digress…as I drink my morning coffee, it leads me to this riddle: how can something have “better” midrange? Wouldn’t that just be “louder” midrange? Is it just that it’s like a quicker slew to the transient or something? As far as why I want to? Because I’m a glutton for punishment. lol. It’s a hobby. I love the excitement of the deal. The possibility of taking a chance and finding something killer is more fun than the slight hassle that I gotta go find some used Amphions again lol. 25's are amazing imho. The amount of mid range detail on offer is incredible. Boxy and bass light aren't two words I would ever associate with my 25's. What you hear is exactly what've you've got. To my mind that's what I want from monitors. Worth a demo one day maybe Unfortunately, there are 9,490 reasons standing in my way. |
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Post by Shadowk on Apr 23, 2024 9:54:56 GMT -6
Get the Core 59's, then you can hook your Apollo / Trinnov into them without having to reroute through the sun (they have AES inputs). Everytime I think yeah, this monitor sounds better and I'll pay silly amounts of money for them I get a swift reality check when playing songs on other systems. Glad I did it to find out and scratch that itch but yeah, I'm used to the Dyn sound of course but they are just damn good monitors anyway.. Looks like they'll be here for the next couple of decades.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 23, 2024 9:57:54 GMT -6
Scratch that itch is a good way to put it.
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Post by bluesholyman on Apr 23, 2024 10:20:25 GMT -6
25's are amazing imho. The amount of mid range detail on offer is incredible. Boxy and bass light aren't two words I would ever associate with my 25's. What you hear is exactly what've you've got. To my mind that's what I want from monitors. Worth a demo one day maybe Unfortunately, there are 9,490 reasons standing in my way. Are you saying the waters aren't Sweet? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 23, 2024 10:24:16 GMT -6
Unfortunately, there are 9,490 reasons standing in my way. Are you saying the waters aren't Sweet? I’m saying I’m a poor |
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Post by Shadowk on Apr 23, 2024 11:12:30 GMT -6
Are you saying the waters aren't Sweet? I’m saying I’m a poor Me too that’s why I’m recording. That’s a joke people, this venture has skint me though. |
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Post by ericn on Apr 23, 2024 11:15:51 GMT -6
Even if you do make the Jump I would probably hang on to the the Lexicon, in the pro world you won’t ever get what it’s worth because nobody knows what it is. You might in the audiophile world but lots of tire kickers.
You have the itch, I get it but my hunch is you won’t be that happy with 03’s and will end up back in Amphion land in no time.
As Far as ATC and “ better Midrange “ it’s all about distortion , unfortunately in the world of ATC it’s the 50’s before you get to the true SL woofers and S mid.
Plus I think in your room those wave guides are helpful, the beamy ring radiator might keep the HF under control but upper mids won’t have the pattern control.
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