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Post by veggieryan on Apr 19, 2024 10:41:53 GMT -6
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Post by ironinthepath on Apr 19, 2024 11:05:04 GMT -6
Reverb/delay has (up until now) been the one DSP offering that I never thought about expanding into the hardware domain - this might change my mind :-)
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Post by chessparov on Apr 19, 2024 11:06:02 GMT -6
I'm "afraid" to listen.  But will later.  |
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Post by veggieryan on Apr 19, 2024 11:18:00 GMT -6
Reverb/delay has (up until now) been the one DSP offering that I never thought about expanding into the hardware domain - this might change my mind :-) For me, reverb and delay are the two that plugins and DSP are not even remotely close to emulating well... Sometimes I think a plugin does reverb well, like the new Soundtoys SuperPlate... best plate plugin so far to my ear. But then I compare it to my actual EMT-140 and it's just not even close. Its kinda like comparing a grainy photocopy of a single digital photo compared to the luscious 4 dimensional reality of real life... |
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Post by veggieryan on Apr 19, 2024 11:24:43 GMT -6
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Post by chessparov on Apr 19, 2024 11:58:48 GMT -6
I joke about my Nanoverb. But Plate #1 has a cool/Retro sound. |
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Post by andersmv on Apr 19, 2024 12:15:43 GMT -6
Wow, even more affordable than their past options. I think it sounds better as well, I definietly prefer this to all the other samples I've heard from them. Maybe I need to reach out about a demo!
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Post by drumsound on Apr 19, 2024 12:47:51 GMT -6
Do they have a website?
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Post by kelk on Apr 19, 2024 12:50:06 GMT -6
Reverb/delay has (up until now) been the one DSP offering that I never thought about expanding into the hardware domain - this might change my mind :-) For me, reverb and delay are the two that plugins and DSP are not even remotely close to emulating well... Sometimes I think a plugin does reverb well, like the new Soundtoys SuperPlate... best plate plugin so far to my ear. But then I compare it to my actual EMT-140 and it's just not even close. Its kinda like comparing a grainy photocopy of a single digital photo compared to the luscious 4 dimensional reality of real life...
This!! Exactly..
All the plugins feel great.. until you place them next to the real thing. And then it feels like you were eating plastic instead of pasta.
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Post by veggieryan on Apr 19, 2024 12:53:42 GMT -6
Wow, even more affordable than their past options. I think it sounds better as well, I definietly prefer this to all the other samples I've heard from them. Maybe I need to reach out about a demo! We need a whole series on youtube. Yes I agree that this is a really important innovation. If you have worked with plate reverbs you find that the way they are driven is very important. Having the entire plate driven by sound waves directly is a simple yet elegant solution that apparently produces glorious tone. I have a real EMT-140 and these sample tones in the video are very good. The choice of brass as the material might be a perfect choice for this design... |
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Post by kelk on Apr 19, 2024 12:54:14 GMT -6
Has anyone here ever used a small cvpa plate? I've always wondered about how it's size might influence any resonance accentuating.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 19, 2024 16:05:59 GMT -6
Sounds lovely, be almost $5 grand Cdn landed, not going to happen, but , wow that was impressive. Or James Taylor, just built an old school reverb in a trailer in his back yard ! |
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Post by chessparov on Apr 19, 2024 18:54:08 GMT -6
For me, reverb and delay are the two that plugins and DSP are not even remotely close to emulating well... Sometimes I think a plugin does reverb well, like the new Soundtoys SuperPlate... best plate plugin so far to my ear. But then I compare it to my actual EMT-140 and it's just not even close. Its kinda like comparing a grainy photocopy of a single digital photo compared to the luscious 4 dimensional reality of real life...
This!! Exactly..
All the plugins feel great.. until you place them next to the real thing. And then it feels like you were eating plastic instead of pasta.
"Plasta"! |
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 19, 2024 19:15:32 GMT -6
I purchased a 60s baldwin type spring reverb build from CVPA. It sounds incredible and his build quality is insanely good.
No doubt this thing will be incredible.
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Post by andersmv on Apr 19, 2024 20:06:23 GMT -6
I just talked to Richard at CVPA. Sounds like he’s open to sending one out to me.
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Post by Shadowk on Apr 21, 2024 10:10:43 GMT -6
This looks awesome, I'll wait for Anders review though .. |
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Post by andersmv on Apr 21, 2024 10:31:09 GMT -6
I've been talking to Richard at CVPA, really nice guy that might chime in here at some point. He's going to send one out for review sometime next week, I'll probably mess around with it for a week or so and crank out a review as I've got a bit of down time over the next couple of weeks. I'm really excited with this one, it's such a cool/unique idea. I think it's going to work out amazing for electric guitar, as I tend to not like using a ton of reverb on amps. I like doing that at mix time, or setting up a wet/dry rig. It's also going to be interesting to see how overdriving the plate with closer placements works, could be quite interesting for singers to play off of while performing.
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Post by bgrotto on Apr 21, 2024 10:42:40 GMT -6
Nice sounding demo. But I'm a bit confused at the marketing angle "the unique ability to sing/play directly to the plate".
I've never met a plate where I couldn't do this. Hell...if someone is talking in my lounge too loudly, their conversation will reverberate beautifully up in the plate housed in the loft overhead. 🤣
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Post by andersmv on Apr 21, 2024 10:58:06 GMT -6
Nice sounding demo. But I'm a bit confused at the marketing angle "the unique ability to sing/play directly to the plate". I've never met a plate where I couldn't do this. Hell...if someone is talking in my lounge too loudly, their conversation will reverberate beautifully up in the plate housed in the loft overhead. 🤣 You're putting it in the live room with the source, so if you're in a noisy bedroom studio or something like that, it's probably not going to be ideal. I've done this with a real EMT plate reverb, where we drug it into the live room with drums and took the side off. It's definitely doable with louder sources, but I would be you'll fight the noise floor trying to pull that off with a normal plate reverb with quieter sources. This is tweaked specifically to be able to us it this way, so I'm sure a lot of testing and tweaks had to go into the design to make it work well. Again, noise floor is a big issue and from what I've heard so far, it's really quiet and is able to pull this off well on an acoustic guitar from a few feet away. It's still a plate reverb, it's just tuned and designed to work differently. I've also heard a lot of demo's of their other plate reverbs over the years and although they sounded good to me, the sound clips for this one just sounded different and special for some reason. When I do my review, I'm going to obviously record a lot of stuff with a normal mic as well as the PlateMic and blend everything together. If Richard has one of his normal plate reverbs available at his place while I'm doing the review, I might see if I can send him the recordings and run the mic tracks through his normal plate reverbs after to compare to the PlateMic in the room. I willing to be it will sound different. When I did this with a real EMT plate reverb in the room with drums, we all agreed that it sounded really different than just running the mic signals into it normally. We all preferred the "plate in the room" by a long shot. That's what got me so excited about the PlateMic, I'm glad someone actually pulled something like this off... |
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Post by bgrotto on Apr 21, 2024 14:45:18 GMT -6
Nice sounding demo. But I'm a bit confused at the marketing angle "the unique ability to sing/play directly to the plate". I've never met a plate where I couldn't do this. Hell...if someone is talking in my lounge too loudly, their conversation will reverberate beautifully up in the plate housed in the loft overhead. 🤣 You're putting it in the live room with the source, so if you're in a noisy bedroom studio or something like that, it's probably not going to be ideal. I've done this with a real EMT plate reverb, where we drug it into the live room with drums and took the side off. It's definitely doable with louder sources, but I would be you'll fight the noise floor trying to pull that off with a normal plate reverb with quieter sources. This is tweaked specifically to be able to us it this way, so I'm sure a lot of testing and tweaks had to go into the design to make it work well. Again, noise floor is a big issue and from what I've heard so far, it's really quiet and is able to pull this off well on an acoustic guitar from a few feet away. It's still a plate reverb, it's just tuned and designed to work differently. I've also heard a lot of demo's of their other plate reverbs over the years and although they sounded good to me, the sound clips for this one just sounded different and special for some reason. When I do my review, I'm going to obviously record a lot of stuff with a normal mic as well as the PlateMic and blend everything together. If Richard has one of his normal plate reverbs available at his place while I'm doing the review, I might see if I can send him the recordings and run the mic tracks through his normal plate reverbs after to compare to the PlateMic in the room. I willing to be it will sound different. When I did this with a real EMT plate reverb in the room with drums, we all agreed that it sounded really different than just running the mic signals into it normally. We all preferred the "plate in the room" by a long shot. That's what got me so excited about the PlateMic, I'm glad someone actually pulled something like this off... Good answer, thanks for the info. I hear ya on the noise floor bit, if we're talking 140s. Those suckers hiss and hum like MFers. I'm pretty fortunate to have a couple Audicon plates (same brainiac behind the kickass Lawson mics, btw), which have an exceptionally low noise floor, so I've definitely got a bit more room to play with mine. In any case, it really does sound different to acoustically excite the plate vs feeding it a line level signal, and I'm glad someone is pushing this concept this way. Eager to hear your review! |
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Post by chessparov on Apr 23, 2024 2:39:22 GMT -6
Nice sounding demo. But I'm a bit confused at the marketing angle "the unique ability to sing/play directly to the plate". I've never met a plate where I couldn't do this. Hell...if someone is talking in my lounge too loudly, their conversation will reverberate beautifully up in the plate housed in the loft overhead. 🤣 Visions of Singing Waiters are dancing through my head. At $1000 a Plate. |
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 23, 2024 8:27:16 GMT -6
Mmmh ....
Really nice idea but it doesn't bond to the source like a full size plate does.
Has an almost spring like quality.
If only it was bigger!
But yeah - that defeats the point - hard to cheat the laws of physics I guess.
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Post by andersmv on May 8, 2024 19:42:41 GMT -6
Will start diving into it tomorrow. Initially, really impressed with the build quality (and this one is technically the prototype). Attachments:
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Post by andersmv on May 11, 2024 18:02:34 GMT -6
Here's a quick video with a live take I did around one mic and the PlateMic. Long and short of it: Richard and I nerded out too much and came up with a million and one ideas of things to try that should improve this. I've had the prototype for a week now, it's really freaking cool. But, we both felt like it's going to end up changing a lot in the final version, so I'm going to hold off and do the longer/in depth video review when I have a final production version here.
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Post by suicity on May 12, 2024 0:29:06 GMT -6
andersmv , lovely work! I guess doggo wasn’t having it though.
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