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Post by moondog on Apr 3, 2024 5:58:32 GMT -6
First, I haven't used/heard the Metric Halo preamps, so can't really compare, but I'd also give a hard look at the AEA TRP, or other well-engineered/regarded clean preamp. I recently got a tube mic, and the AEA preamp is neutral enough to really hear that mic whereas the BAE 1073/API and tube pres I've put it through veil its detail a little more than I personally like for my own recording. Your GAP ribbon and top shelf dynamics will sound very different through a really nice clean preamp like the TRP, and ESPECIALLY on things like percussion and the other sources you mentioned where clarity can be desirable. I'm sure the MH preamps are good, too, but if you have patience/interest, I'd suggest at least getting the nicest outboard clean pre you can afford (with a no questions return policy) and comparing. I love my BAE, but since my main condenser is already colored and I tend towards ribbons on drums/guitar amps/vocals sometimes, I'd personally be lost without the TRP. Lately, my BAE 1073 has been nothing more than a bass di (and a very good one). I thought my Apollo's mic inputs would be good general purpose "clean utility" preamps, and they're not bad, but there's not denying the outboard "clean utility" pres I've used sound better. If you do decide you want color, I'd definitely cast a vote for any of the Dakings. I have only CAPI and other vintage-y API clones lately, but I remember the Daking Mic Pre One to be quite a bit more neutral than those. I did have a 512 awhile back and it was definitely more neutral than the vintage/312 clones that I had at the same time, too. Again, I really liked the Daking and kind of wish I'd kept it. I remember it as a quintessential "neutral but not clinical/boring" sound...it sounded 'Classy' which I know sounds a little silly, but I really remember it that way. Someday, I'll try out some John Hardy's, which a lot of engineers I've known over the years swear by for "neutral but not clinical/boring." The only other color pre I remember really loving that sells for a lot less than it should used IMO these days is the Great River MP1-NV - Great River's take on the 1073, but "dehazed"...it was built specifically to channel the girth of the 1073, but without quite as much build up in the mids. As I understood it, when that pre came out, that sort of mid build up was a common criticism that engineers made when tracking projects entirely through 1073s. i like the MH preamps, only thing with them is usability: need to handle their gain through the software...thats why i use them for my keys & synth & FX. Thanks for your thoughts! I will look into those. I should probably go for a clean AND a tube pre, and then see what gets the most use over time.
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Post by doubledog on Apr 3, 2024 6:51:24 GMT -6
I didn't see any tubes in your current list and if you can get a Telefunken for under $500 then maybe you better do it quickly. (edit - ok that's a solid state model...) But seriously a nice tube pre can be cool sometimes but $500 might not cover it (even used). Although if you look around and are patient, you might find something in that range or for a little bit more. or go the opposite direction and get something squeaky clean? Thanks for the suggestion! I could get a used UA 710 over here for 500 bucks. Never worked with this though...tube AND trans. In what case you would use / prefer a tube preamp instead other preamps? I've never used the 710. I have an LA610. Sometimes tubes are what you need, sometimes I'll use something else. I also think the Focusrite ISA is a good pre for under $500. It's clean but not sterile and the built in HPF is useful. also tons of gain (great for ribbons or dynamic mics), Lundahl transformers... (I have the ISA Two - got mine used for $550 , which was admittedly, a steal)
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 3, 2024 7:14:59 GMT -6
This www.soundonsound.com/reviews/dav-electronics-bg1Stereo pre around £500. I've had mine up against for £4K Millennia STT-1 and you know this pre-amp gave it a heck of a run for it's money. I think they're absolutely blinking fantastic and you get a stereo unit for 500!
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Post by anders on Apr 3, 2024 8:22:55 GMT -6
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Post by chessparov on Apr 3, 2024 8:54:54 GMT -6
Alternative path is... The Plugin version of the Silver Bullet. Or the Mixwave Plug version of the Coil. Under $200 sleeper hardware Champ IMHO is... (noise envelope please) The Aphex 107. Chris
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Post by drsax on Apr 4, 2024 16:34:08 GMT -6
In that price range I’d be looking for a used Daking Mic Pre 1 or save up a bit more for a new one. World class preamp that sounds great on everything. A reliable lifetime studio piece.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 4, 2024 17:39:20 GMT -6
Much like my Nanocompressor. Remarkable. Almost beyond words. Chris
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Post by nick8801 on Apr 4, 2024 18:15:14 GMT -6
Had 8 channels of DAV at one point. Killer killer pres. Super smooth, clean and punchy. Miss them.
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Post by seawell on Apr 4, 2024 19:57:39 GMT -6
The best preamps I’ve found in that price range are seventh circle audio. They make the one shot versions that are standalone. N72 is my favorite but since you already have a neve style, an A12(API) or J99(John Hardy) may be a good choice for you.
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Post by kbb on Apr 4, 2024 20:54:03 GMT -6
i like the MH preamps, only thing with them is usability: need to handle their gain through the software...thats why i use them for my keys & synth & FX. Thanks for your thoughts! I will look into those. I should probably go for a clean AND a tube pre, and then see what gets the most use over time. I'm sure those preamps sound good. I always thought it was cool that they created an interface (the two channel one) with transformer options, etc. I'd love to hear the DAV pres that were mentioned, too. I'd bet they're better than they cost. If I relied on solid state condensers, I'd absolutely be looking for a good tube pre. I've always assumed there are good technical reasons why tubes are still found in the highest fi rich people home audio systems. Maybe it's still impossible to model, or cheap out on, good high voltage designs. :-)
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Post by kbb on Apr 4, 2024 20:58:43 GMT -6
Much like my Nanocompressor. Remarkable. Almost beyond words. Chris Oh man, I remember having a lot of cartoon compression fun four-tracking with one of these years and years ago. I'd love to hear one again now.
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Post by kbb on Apr 4, 2024 21:04:23 GMT -6
The best preamps I’ve found in that price range are seventh circle audio. They make the one shot versions that are standalone. N72 is my favorite but since you already have a neve style, an A12(API) or J99(John Hardy) may be a good choice for you. I built N72s and A12s years ago and remember them sounding great. I wouldn't build them again or sign on to build them as a first project, though, FWIW. The instructions and parts were top notch, but they used double sided circuit boards, and I HATED having to remove re-solder components. If you don't make mistakes, it's a great building experience.
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Post by seawell on Apr 4, 2024 21:36:12 GMT -6
The best preamps I’ve found in that price range are seventh circle audio. They make the one shot versions that are standalone. N72 is my favorite but since you already have a neve style, an A12(API) or J99(John Hardy) may be a good choice for you. I built N72s and A12s years ago and remember them sounding great. I wouldn't build them again or sign on to build them as a first project, though, FWIW. The instructions and parts were top notch, but they used double sided circuit boards, and I HATED having to remove re-solder components. If you don't make mistakes, it's a great building experience. I hear ya, I never even attempted to build them. I bought them assembled. I forget who it was but there was a reputable builder at the time without too much of an up charge.
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Post by notneeson on Apr 4, 2024 21:52:04 GMT -6
I built N72s and A12s years ago and remember them sounding great. I wouldn't build them again or sign on to build them as a first project, though, FWIW. The instructions and parts were top notch, but they used double sided circuit boards, and I HATED having to remove re-solder components. If you don't make mistakes, it's a great building experience. I hear ya, I never even attempted to build them. I bought them assembled. I forget who it was but there was a reputable builder at the time without too much of an up charge. Their fully built 500 series pres are a screaming good deal. OP could almost grab one and a second hand lunchbox.
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Post by thirdeye on Apr 5, 2024 13:49:02 GMT -6
I've always wanted a pair of the J99. 16 channels of N72 over here, love them (obviously!!).
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Post by copperx on Apr 5, 2024 16:22:04 GMT -6
I've always wanted a pair of the J99. 16 channels of N72 over here, love them (obviously!!). Would you trade them for 16 J99s? No, I don't have them. But would you?
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Post by thirdeye on Apr 5, 2024 21:23:06 GMT -6
I've always wanted a pair of the J99. 16 channels of N72 over here, love them (obviously!!). Would you trade them for 16 J99s? No, I don't have them. But would you? Not sure I'd trade - I'd want them in addition!
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 6, 2024 1:32:37 GMT -6
Had 8 channels of DAV at one point. Killer killer pres. Super smooth, clean and punchy. Miss them. I know right. I’m about to buy a DAV BG1 “stereo brick” for £500. Frankly, it’s almost impossible to pick the difference between the DAV and my £4,000 Millennia STT-1 pre-amps !! How’s that for £250 a channel. Absolutely, a sleeper product. Mark Knopfler’s British Grove Studio uses a stack of DAV pre’s and that dude can afford anything he wants to use.
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Post by moondog on Apr 8, 2024 15:15:06 GMT -6
Thank you all for your answers! I really appreciate this place. So...i searched for used stuff over here and found a FMR RNP. I thought it was really nice, but it had one broken channel, so i returned it. Yesterday, i got to know about a friend of a friend selling his...DAV BG 501. Bought it for 350 bucks, including a Fredenstein Bento 2. I checked it out today and really like it, it has DI and Mic Input on the front, which is really handy. So this somehow got me into 500-land now. I guess I will get a tube pre soon, filling the empty slot. Then Im happy, I guess
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 9, 2024 1:37:57 GMT -6
Thank you all for your answers! I really appreciate this place. So...i searched for used stuff over here and found a FMR RNP. I thought it was really nice, but it had one broken channel, so i returned it. Yesterday, i got to know about a friend of a friend selling his...DAV BG 501. Bought it for 350 bucks, including a Fredenstein Bento 2. I checked it out today and really like it, it has DI and Mic Input on the front, which is really handy. So this somehow got me into 500-land now. I guess I will get a tube pre soon, filling the empty slot. Then Im happy, I guess I have a Bento 6 and I’ve been very happy with it. Congrats on the BG 501 …. they’re fantastic pre’s imho. Maybe your second pre should be a second BG 501 and then you have a stereo pair of very high quality pre’s. Later add a Locomotive WT-72 tube pre and you’re set for a very long time!
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