ericn
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Post by ericn on Mar 22, 2024 9:16:50 GMT -6
The 2 problems with using unlinked dual mono dynamics as a bus comp.
1 the obvious and already mentioned image shift from independent detectors.
2 unless they are some esoteric mastering comp matching settings on pots even stepped pots so both channels are acting differently.
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Post by mcirish on Mar 22, 2024 9:49:13 GMT -6
Personally, I prefer some type of saturation on the overheads. Whenever I have compressed them, I've regretted it. I hate the pumping sound of the cymbals as they come up in the mix. But, whatever works.
I don't mind smashing room mics though. I just tuck that into the mix. The overheads I try to make an accurate image of the whole kit.
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Post by Dan on Mar 22, 2024 10:43:16 GMT -6
Yeah usually it sounds like crap or vacuum pumped like ringo but limiting the overheads to kill the snare in them can sound cool The Ringo vacuum swoosh is something I've tried to achieve a million times. Never really have. Those are pinnacle sonic vibes in my world. Every time I try it, I always have to mess around and de-ess the overheads first or lower a shelf afterwards yet they got it to work with 1960s tech back in the 60s. |
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Post by ironinthepath on Mar 22, 2024 11:43:20 GMT -6
I like mine linked unless going for some sort of effect. The unbalancing of the stereo image can be interesting but not usually my thing.
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Post by jaba on Mar 22, 2024 12:49:19 GMT -6
I often like differences between L&R - mismatched overhead mics, unlinked compression, etc - but it's very case by case.
Sometimes I really like what others see as negatives (eg, one side compressing hard and throwing the even balance off. Sometimes it creates a cool movement that sounds great).
Again, very case by case depending on the production.
Normally when I do compress overheads they're linked (and pretty much never while tracking unless it's a mono, heavy-handed effect).
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Post by ab101 on Mar 22, 2024 13:10:57 GMT -6
My Audioscape D-comp has been stuck on my overhead buss and keep it linked. Everytime, I take it off, I just do not like it as much. It takes a bit to tweak the D-comp but it is not difficult.
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Post by Ward on Mar 22, 2024 13:35:07 GMT -6
No problem using a pair of 76s in dual mono. Other types, not so much. ab101 ia spot-on about the D-Comp |
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Post by niklas1073 on Mar 22, 2024 13:50:26 GMT -6
Personally, I prefer some type of saturation on the overheads. Whenever I have compressed them, I've regretted it. I hate the pumping sound of the cymbals as they come up in the mix. But, whatever works. I don't mind smashing room mics though. I just tuck that into the mix. The overheads I try to make an accurate image of the whole kit. I guess it depends on the dynamics of the playing a lot. If the drummer has a great balance within the set not overplaying the cymbals, also choice of cymbals plays a role I guess, should leave room to give it a touch of compression without pumping. A light touch of 1176 usually does it for me. But I suppose it’s pretty much what you are doing. Saturating is usually compressing, at least lightly. So might just be the choice of tool but essentially with similar outcome. |
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Post by basspro on Mar 22, 2024 14:55:42 GMT -6
I appreciate all of the responses!
I ultimately am trying to arrive at the most finished sound during tracking as possible, which is my motivation for the compression on overheads. I don't always end up doing it, but I often just kiss my overheads with a UAD Fairchild in a mix. I'm going for a combination of taming snare and lengthening cymbal sustain a bit. I've just always loved that sound when it works. I also like the idea of just having more transformers in the signal path during tracking. I suppose on my next session I could just mult my overheads and give it a shot with the Doublewides in dual mono. If it's weird, I'll put them up for sale and grab a pair of the newer, stere-linkable version.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Mar 22, 2024 21:18:29 GMT -6
Neve 33609, I've been using mine in this spot for 30 years!
Also have the doublewides, and they are wonderful here as well!
Wouldn't worry too much about the linking.
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