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Post by Shadowk on Mar 7, 2024 9:53:13 GMT -6
It depends on when, where and what. BBC was mainly consoles and ericn tried to get me to buy one of them. They were going for like $10K or something, not bad really.. It's been a while but yep, a lot of it was stock.. There's some Nuendo out there as well, I've no idea about the US as I've never done anything in that pool. It could be a smorgasbord but IME over this side they did try to unify a lot of things, even monitors. Some broadcast stations were mainly Genelec, in Europe there's a lot of Geithain.
One set of films I wish I could get my hands on is the Nolan Batman, that film for me is 3 hours of someone dressed in a rubber suit growling cookies.
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Post by Dan on Mar 7, 2024 10:02:13 GMT -6
It depends on when, where and what. BBC was mainly consoles and ericn tried to get me to buy one of them. They were going for like $10K or something, not bad really.. It's been a while but yep, a lot of it was stock.. There's some Nuendo out there as well, I've no idea about the US as I've never done anything in that pool. It could be a smorgasbord but IME over this side they did try to unify a lot of things, even monitors. Some broadcast stations were mainly Genelec, in Europe there's a lot of Geithain.
One set of films I wish I could get my hands on is the Nolan Batman, that film for me is 3 hours of someone dressed in a rubber suit growling cookies.
the quality of audio in streaming productions is all over the place. the worst i've heard and watched entirely is werner herzog's lo and behold where i wanted to de-ess the entire film. blade runner 2049 (horribly boring film. dirty great t shirt and bubble girl lol) also had horribly uncontrolled transients and many of the surround mixes of old mono and stereo films have awful levels all over the place. somebody was riding the faders on the dialogue without a bus compressor and not watching the meters scene to scene. the worst is conan the barbarian where the great basil poledouris score that makes many scenes work drops out of the surround mixes versus the original mono one including in the prokofiev inspired village sack.
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Post by enlav on Mar 7, 2024 10:21:43 GMT -6
One set of films I wish I could get my hands on is the Nolan Batman, that film for me is 3 hours of someone dressed in a rubber suit growling cookies.
Someone else will know the whole story, but I remember reading or hearing that the original audio for Bane was just not audible, so they ended up replacing it with what we eventually heard..
That was one of the movies I actually saw in a movie theater (not an avid movie-goer) that year and the first time Bane speaks, it was like a weird fever-dream of surround sound demonstration. It made me question if our theater's audio was setup right. Mind boggling. I wonder if the bluray formats were remixed at all.
(I realize you're talking about Batman, but I felt the Bane dialogue was just fascinating...)
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Post by Dan on Mar 7, 2024 10:42:08 GMT -6
One set of films I wish I could get my hands on is the Nolan Batman, that film for me is 3 hours of someone dressed in a rubber suit growling cookies.
Someone else will know the whole story, but I remember reading or hearing that the original audio for Bane was just not audible, so they ended up replacing it with what we eventually heard..
That was one of the movies I actually saw in a movie theater (not an avid movie-goer) that year and the first time Bane speaks, it was like a weird fever-dream of surround sound demonstration. It made me question if our theater's audio was setup right. Mind boggling. I wonder if the bluray formats were remixed at all.
(I realize you're talking about Batman, but I felt the Bane dialogue was just fascinating...)
their voices were awful and Nolan's dialogue is often undermixed in general. the first movie i liked with an awful mix was mad max 4 fury road. it was way too loud, bass distorted in theater, ears were shot, but the villain's voice was better done than tom hardy's
honestly michael keaton's whisper was better than bale's cannibal corpse impersonation and tom hardy yelling into a gas mask
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Post by thehightenor on Mar 7, 2024 15:27:06 GMT -6
Not sure why you quoted me? I avoid plug-ins where possible. you gave your mix bus chain of two modern tube pieces that are very expensive and I’m sure sound perfectly fine They sound stunning! Honestly mate, it’s like cheating  |
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 7, 2024 15:34:55 GMT -6
you gave your mix bus chain of two modern tube pieces that are very expensive and I’m sure sound perfectly fine They sound stunning! Honestly mate, it’s like cheating I saw that coming a mile away  .. |
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Post by thehightenor on Mar 7, 2024 16:27:57 GMT -6
They sound stunning! Honestly mate, it’s like cheating I saw that coming a mile away .. I don't hide my love of boutique tube hardware |
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Post by bob on Mar 14, 2024 14:00:12 GMT -6
I normally mix songs… anything from 12 to perhaps 100ish tracks…
A non-music friend recently asked about all the gear.. I came up with this:
To me it feels a bit like doing a mix with a mouse is like doing a painting in photoshop..
Console and outboard feels like using brushes and canvas or whatever…
Both obviously achieve great results, and you can theoretically get there either way(to a greater or lesser extent)… but I have a pretty strong preference as to how I like working.
If something is complicated, or I smell endless revisions and tweaks and fussing, I’ll just stick ITB and keep life simple.
If it’s a regular half/full day song mix I’m OTB. I print off the mixes, print all 48 channels off the desk post-fade, and take a video with my phone talking myself through the patchbay and any outboard used. This gets saved with the session along with TR.
Also… hardware is SO much quicker for me. I find I keep the initial intent intact by getting the rough static mix up quickly. If it needs to kick hard I get that early and try to not mess with that.. once I have the static mix I do any daw fiddling I feel needs doing and then spend a lot of time automating
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Post by thehightenor on Mar 15, 2024 3:05:31 GMT -6
I normally mix songs… anything from 12 to perhaps 100ish tracks… A non-music friend recently asked about all the gear.. I came up with this: To me it feels a bit like doing a mix with a mouse is like doing a painting in photoshop.. Console and outboard feels like using brushes and canvas or whatever… Both obviously achieve great results, and you can theoretically get there either way(to a greater or lesser extent)… but I have a pretty strong preference as to how I like working. If something is complicated, or I smell endless revisions and tweaks and fussing, I’ll just stick ITB and keep life simple. If it’s a regular half/full day song mix I’m OTB. I print off the mixes, print all 48 channels off the desk post-fade, and take a video with my phone talking myself through the patchbay and any outboard used. This gets saved with the session along with TR. Also… hardware is SO much quicker for me. I find I keep the initial intent intact by getting the rough static mix up quickly. If it needs to kick hard I get that early and try to not mess with that.. once I have the static mix I do any daw fiddling I feel needs doing and then spend a lot of time automating +1 I so miss EQing on a desk. You teach for the EQ on kick and snare - twist done. I teach for the EQ on my midi controllers controlling software EQ and I can totally feel I’m not engaging with a physical electronic circuit. It’s like looking for a treat in a bowl of custard - keep stiring around and eventually you’ll find it. I really must invest in a desk again. If I won the lotto I’d buy a Neve Genesys in a heart beat studiocare.com/products/ams-neve-genesys-black-g32-console?variant=31519723487278¤cy=GBP&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=google%2Bshopping&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw48-vBhBbEiwAzqrZVAxJAzoQd335WyPQWBQODTLeXDVpxSfB27K_jHpCXFJYgE6TmlCI8BoC34IQAvD_BwE |
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