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Post by miscreantrecords on Feb 26, 2024 0:23:24 GMT -6
Hey friends. I'm new to these parts. Nice to meet you all.
I've been strongly considering purchasing a hardware 1176 unit for the studio. I'm not planning on grabbing the official UA at the moment, that said, I've been considering all the other flavors available.
I don't want the KT, and the people I've spoken with personally weren't that impressed with the Warm Audio in their experience.
I'm leaning towards the Hairball 1176 Rev A DIY kit. I've read nothing but good things about its performance and sound, the DIY project sounds interesting, and I love it's appearance with the lack of branding. Clean and classy.
For those who have experience with it - How does it compare to the others? UA, Purple, Stam, warm, black lion, KT, etc.
Thank you in advance!
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Post by ragan on Feb 26, 2024 0:46:57 GMT -6
I built a Hairball Rev A, and liked it. I sold it when I got the Stam ADG because I thought the Stam had the edge, tone wise. The Hairball was a bit grittier, or more overtly colored, where the Stam sounded a bit classier to me, more like the Ureis I’ve used. But, I did like the Hairball and would still be using it if I hadn’t got the Stam.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 26, 2024 1:41:32 GMT -6
^^This^^ exactly the same view, except I now have the stam adf.
If you know how to build and to calibrate HB is very good value.
The Stam gives you 3 76 in one, exceptional value.
Audioscape also makes a fine product, and have been having $100 off sales.
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Post by mcirish on Feb 26, 2024 6:52:56 GMT -6
Unless you really like building gear, why not just get an Audioscape 76d or f or A? I have 76D. It's on just about every vocal recording I've done in the last year. Highly recommend it.
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Post by doubledog on Feb 26, 2024 7:52:33 GMT -6
I built one of the Hairball Rev A but it was awhile ago (I had to order the MNATS boards separately - I don't think that is the case anymore). It's not a simple/beginner build so if you are going to do it, then you hopefully have some experience. I think it also required a signal generator and o-scope or DVM to calibrate it correctly (not sure if it still does but probably?) Again not simple (for newbies), so if you don't have experience, then buy something off the shelf. If you do it, go slowly and carefully/methodically. btw, mine worked first power on. It sounded great too, but at the time I was doing everything ITB and convinced myself I did not need it (and subsequently sold it - and regretted it).
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Post by bikescene on Feb 26, 2024 8:20:07 GMT -6
I recently built a Rev D kit, which is less aggressive than the Rev A circuit.
Before going with the FET/500, I considered the Hairball full sized kit, Audioscape, the the various Stam modules. At one point, I could have gone in any of these directions and was leaning towards purchasing an Audioscape.
I originally wanted to go full sized, but ultimately liked the idea of an 1176 in a compact form factor. I can’t compare to other hardware, but I like the sound and feel better than plugins.
You’ve got to consider the slight differences in operation, such as small knobs and LED metering. I love that it is so tiny, but can see why some would prefer to have the 2RU experience.
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Post by svart on Feb 26, 2024 8:36:39 GMT -6
I've built just about every version of Hairball 1176. I downsized a while back but still have the A and D versions.
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Post by drbill on Feb 26, 2024 10:28:36 GMT -6
These days I think the smart money is on the AudioScape 76's.
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Post by miscreantrecords on Feb 26, 2024 12:50:09 GMT -6
Thanks everyone for the responses! Greatly appreciated. Very helpful.
I wasn't previously familiar with the Audioscape, it does look very interesting indeed and the price point is fantastic. Seriously considering.
I actually don't have the tools / experience to pull off the build myself. My father is a brilliant electrical engineer and it seems like a fun project to build together and learn a thing or two as he's 75 and not getting any younger.
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Post by chessparov on Feb 26, 2024 13:30:16 GMT -6
Welcome M! Great to see you here, at this Recording Oasis. (While my mind is usually a Blur) Am still in the BudgetLand of Plugs (UA)... But would also upgrade to Audioscape, if/when I did. Chris P.S. Your "Positivity" will be appreciated here!
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Post by teejay on Feb 26, 2024 14:04:09 GMT -6
I wasn't previously familiar with the Audioscape, it does look very interesting indeed and the price point is fantastic. Seriously considering. I actually don't have the tools / experience to pull off the build myself. My father is a brilliant electrical engineer and it seems like a fun project to build together and learn a thing or two as he's 75 and not getting any younger. There's nothing like spending time with your dad working on something memorable together. Got to take advantage of that while you still can. That being said, if you choose to go with a pre-built product, AudioScape and don't look back. Not only great pricing, but great people, customer service, build quality, sounds great, and holds value well. Stellar products.
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Post by drbill on Feb 26, 2024 14:13:26 GMT -6
I wasn't previously familiar with the Audioscape, it does look very interesting indeed and the price point is fantastic. Seriously considering. I actually don't have the tools / experience to pull off the build myself. My father is a brilliant electrical engineer and it seems like a fun project to build together and learn a thing or two as he's 75 and not getting any younger. There's nothing like spending time with your dad working on something memorable together. Got to take advantage of that while you still can. That being said, if you choose to go with a pre-built product, AudioScape and don't look back. Not only great pricing, but great people, customer service, build quality, sounds great, and holds value well. Stellar products. ^^^^. That!! Plus you'll get it rather than having to wait a year. Or two....
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Post by ragan on Feb 26, 2024 15:20:16 GMT -6
Thanks everyone for the responses! Greatly appreciated. Very helpful. I wasn't previously familiar with the Audioscape, it does look very interesting indeed and the price point is fantastic. Seriously considering. I actually don't have the tools / experience to pull off the build myself. My father is a brilliant electrical engineer and it seems like a fun project to build together and learn a thing or two as he's 75 and not getting any younger. I’d say do the Hairball just for this ^^^.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 26, 2024 15:39:50 GMT -6
You don’t need to just build but also calibrate the comp, but there are videos about. Build it with your dad: you’ll treasure that comp or buy 2 a and d and build them together: what great memories!
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Post by doubledog on Feb 26, 2024 17:12:29 GMT -6
Also check out the Lindell Lin76. It's better than the KT (IMO). Maybe not as nice as the others mentioned but a lot less $$. I find it very useful and I like the sound of it (when I want a hardware 76 comp). The only weird quirk is that the knobs operate in reverse from a real 1176 (but can be re-wired pretty easily) so I have to think about what I'm doing every time I use it. (edit: maybe not an A rev sound, but will distort if you push it)
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Post by copperx on Feb 26, 2024 18:25:01 GMT -6
These days I think the smart money is on the AudioScape 76's. Over the Serpent Splices? 😲
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Post by copperx on Feb 26, 2024 18:41:17 GMT -6
Take this for what it's worth, but I did tons of listening tests, and for the tone I was looking for, there were only three contenders: The Stam 76A, the Serpent Splice, and, as a distant third, the BLA Bluey. They all have that creamy-harsh saturation, and choosing one over the other comes down to personal aesthetic / features / amount of saturation. But the Hairball isn't it, unfortunately. No creamyness.
I wasn't able to find high quality sound samples of the Audioscape, but from the Audioscape units that I've personally heard, they always get the box tone right. If DrBill has one and he says it's the one to get, you should add it to your comparison list.
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Post by drbill on Feb 26, 2024 20:16:59 GMT -6
These days I think the smart money is on the AudioScape 76's. Over the Serpent Splices? 😲 I love my 500 splices. If going 500, I don't think AS has an option do they? (checked. doesn't look like it.). If you've got the cash or are rack space limited, the rack Splices are awesome. If you need to go 500, the 500 Splices are a no brainer. If budget AND high quality is a concern and if you have enough rack space, the AS 1176 line is beyond killer. That's probably where I would head if I was starting over again....
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Post by peezy on Feb 27, 2024 2:29:32 GMT -6
Check out revive audio 1176 rev d its called M76. That thing sounds good and built like a tank. Really is solidly built and heavy asf.
I have two hair balls, purple mc77, audioscape and a UA and the only I use the most and would never sell is the m76. Sounds great.
I forgot I have a lin76 but I hardly use it. Don't really like the sound of it though. But, I will say it did sound good on drums. Something about the graininess and distortion that's great for drums.
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Post by stam on Feb 27, 2024 2:32:22 GMT -6
Hey friends. I'm new to these parts. Nice to meet you all. I've been strongly considering purchasing a hardware 1176 unit for the studio. I'm not planning on grabbing the official UA at the moment, that said, I've been considering all the other flavors available. I don't want the KT, and the people I've spoken with personally weren't that impressed with the Warm Audio in their experience. I'm leaning towards the Hairball 1176 Rev A DIY kit. I've read nothing but good things about its performance and sound, the DIY project sounds interesting, and I love it's appearance with the lack of branding. Clean and classy. For those who have experience with it - How does it compare to the others? UA, Purple, Stam, warm, black lion, KT, etc. Thank you in advance! I’ll happily send you a SA-76A Plus to test for free. In case you don’t want to keep it you can return it to our local service center in NY, FL or LA. We also have the D plus available =)
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Post by stam on Feb 27, 2024 2:34:21 GMT -6
I built a Hairball Rev A, and liked it. I sold it when I got the Stam ADG because I thought the Stam had the edge, tone wise. The Hairball was a bit grittier, or more overtly colored, where the Stam sounded a bit classier to me, more like the Ureis I’ve used. But, I did like the Hairball and would still be using it if I hadn’t got the Stam. Thanks a lot for your kind words towards our work Ragan. It means a lot !! I think the tone difference you describe is due to carefully setting the THD where it has to be and of course the huge core Sowter output transformer which is as big sounding as the original 5002 Expensive they are but nothing like it!!
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 27, 2024 3:50:42 GMT -6
Stam’s plus means it includes a tube stage that you select, it’s optional.
So, you get the classic 75a or d, plus you can turn in the tube to experiment with those sonics.
For what it’s worth, I have ahead HV, Audioscape and Stam 76a and I thought they were all fine, but preferred the Stam.
Maybe, check if your Dad is keen to build, if so, great, HB gets yiy there, if not, try the Stam!
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Post by niklas1073 on Feb 27, 2024 3:57:02 GMT -6
In case you are not going the DIY path and depending on where you are based. There are some killer European manufacturers also. If you can scout a WES Beta76 (not the new NG hybrid model but the previous one) second hand or if someone is still stocking it you might get it close enough to the DIY price. Super solid and screams quality. You can switch between solid state and Carnhill input stage and it comes with side chain filters.
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Post by ironinthepath on Feb 27, 2024 8:22:08 GMT -6
I think having some serious DIY experience with an 1176 clone is well worth it, you’ll have a deeper understanding of your gear purchases afterwards perhaps having some distinction between transistor types (JFET vs BJT, etc.), some idea of what an audio transformer does (in the signal path) vs a power transformer for the supply, resistor and capacitor values and types, IC pinouts. You can go as deep as you want to go and look up datasheets for the parts. If it’s a project you can do with your (EE!) Dad, all the better. How much would you have to pay an EE to individually guide you through something like that? Probably approaching price of a coveted vintage unit.
If you do a decent job soldering it up, you can always sell the Hairball if for some reason you prefer another compressor variant, and recover most if not all of the cost of materials.. but you’ll get to take what you learn with you indefinitely.
No question, if I was in your position, I’d build the Hairball with dad!
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 27, 2024 9:25:00 GMT -6
Peeps charge a premium over purchase diy kit price for built and tested HB gear.
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