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Post by niklas1073 on Feb 17, 2024 2:42:12 GMT -6
Another thing I'll reiterate is that I'm not a huge fan of all this 2bus processing. I've seen videos where someone has a 10 or 15 piece hardware or plugin chain and they bypass stuff one by one. A lot of the time, maybe most of the time, I preferred it with certain stuff bypassed. One could listen and see that they could just make a couple adjustments on the other pieces and leave the current bypassed piece on bypass and get a better result. It's very easy to take processing to excess. Yeah I agree with this. And maybe sometimes they overwork the mixbus trying to solve problems with the mix. I don’t think that’s the place to solve problems, only enhance and package it. Since I got my master eq my whole mixbus has contained of my current avatar. two units. I used to have a lot more of plugs to achieve a still lesser result there. And I find the recalling got actually way easier with hw mixbus as I rarely adjust anything on it. It kind of just sits there and switch it on and bam it’s done. The only thing I tend to adjust is the pultec top end boost for the sparkle depending on the song but that’s it. So it doesn’t always even have to be cumbersome and time consuming. Maybe just thought thru and established. And when you start mixing into it, it also molds and streamlines how you mix I think as it sets some boundaries you have decided on beforehand.
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Post by Shadowk on Feb 17, 2024 4:47:02 GMT -6
With modern productions aimed towards clarity and heavier bass IME it would be surprisingly difficult to work without a specific methodology. On multiple occasions I've heard decently recorded and mixed tracks that had been slammed against a limiter like Ozone and the results are always absolutely dire. It thins out the bass which is the exact opposite of what we're trying to achieve nowaday's, what seemed like balanced frequencies in a mix now starts to clash as we reduce the dynamics and raise the general volume, levels overall just become unbalanced in context etc. and ultimately it just ends up like some weirdly bright, mushy, overly distorted bedroom production. I can always tell when someone does this and you know why? Decades ago when I was learning I did the exact same to try and compete. One thing I've noticed now, especially after streaming services started to normalise music is just how loud those tracks were, although back then this was normal, the only difference is their's sounded right(ish). Most modern professional producers / mixers that I've seen, watched or youtubed simply don't approach it this way. It's usually a subtle stacking effect, the amount of times I've heard I'll just add a clipper here, or a multi-band saturator etc. on just about everything really. The end results can be great however they've essentially mastered the song on an individiual track basis and the problem with that methodology for me is it can be very difficult to troubleshoot when you have 5 - 15 plugins on every single track. As others have said it's easy to overdo as well. The other flow is you essentially work backwards, start with a mastering limiter > compressor > EQ based upon a tested approach. There's plenty of well recorded raw tracks out there available from various mixing tutorials to test with. Once you have a base line then you mix into it without trying to trip up the mastering limiter, the advantage of this methodology is you're not just dumping everything on a single limiter to deal with, you're actually working on percieved loudness as it should be. This is a smoke and mirrors game, something that sounds loud might not actually be that loud. Then there's all sorts of tips and tricks from there on out. I mean in my individual setup the SSL G-bus is great at smoothing things out without unbalancing or taking away too much transparency, the Gainlabs Empress has a tube boost function which adds some nice soft clipping that's great for getting things loud without much sacrifice, it can also do complex transmission curves via its shift function (which is rather cool). The Bettermaker limiter can do all sorts of stuff from phase cohesion readouts, even or odd harmonic distortion manipulation, mid side limiting etc. stack all of this up and it leads to some pretty cool relatively unscathed productions. Also one of the key points is there's multiple limiters in play (BM ML + Ozone), again I'm not just slamming it purely against Ozone and expecting it to work miracles because no brick wall limiter (whether HW or SW) that I've ever come across can do it, they need help from the mix.
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Post by lowlou on Feb 18, 2024 6:59:46 GMT -6
My two-bus full slick ? No, never ! Where's the fun ?
I have two big order to pay in 2024 Q2 (ADT Olympic & POM), but then all following gear I'll buy in 2024 will focus on the master chain.
Right now, I use a Stamchild mk2, a Neumann PE eq, Neve 542 tape emulators, Wesaudio Dione buss comp (to be replaced with my Stam 4K mk3 when it arrives), Bettermaker C-502v sometimes, NTP 179-120 sometimes, experimenting with Coil CA-286 in line mode, also I received à Focusrite blue 230 very recently, and I'm sure it's going to end up on master (or the music bus).
I have A LOT of ideas for other processors hehe : wideners, "loudeners", multiband saturators, de-essers, gigantic transformers, limiters... (even some reverb !)... I don't want to do top down mixes but I love to have a pleasing sound on the mixbus right from the beginning.
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