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Post by nick8801 on Feb 3, 2024 17:27:16 GMT -6
Has anyone used one of these? I was thinking about picking up the Soyuz Launcher, but then I ran into the Tierra Audio flavors things and the Cloudlifter X. Now I don’t know what to get lol. Someone help!
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Post by drumsound on Feb 3, 2024 17:38:32 GMT -6
Our own @chessperov has the Launcher. I've never once thought it did anything but harm his very nice voice.
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Post by nick8801 on Feb 3, 2024 17:43:18 GMT -6
Our own @chessperov has the Launcher. I've never once thought it did anything but harm his very nice voice. Yeah? I just want something that will add a little transformer flavor without totally mangling the sound.
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Post by drumsound on Feb 3, 2024 17:52:33 GMT -6
Our own @chessperov has the Launcher. I've never once thought it did anything but harm his very nice voice. Yeah? I just want something that will add a little transformer flavor without totally mangling the sound. Personally, I'd prefer a transformer based preamp that has input and output controls so that I could decide the drive amount. These inline things just ARE, no control for the user.
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Post by sirthought on Feb 3, 2024 17:52:54 GMT -6
I looked at the Launcher stuff for quite a while. My opinion currently is it's not worth the cost. I really don't hear the gains you get from something like a good vintage style preamp, and what it does add you can probably reproduce with one of the numerous saturation plugins out now. The Cloudlifter X is pretty new and haven't come across much yet. But they make pretty cool stuff. I once tried a box they did where you could adjust the impedance, and it was incredible how that could change the sound of a mic. If it's transformer sound you want, you might want to audition this new Coil Audio plugin. Seems to be well received. mixwave.com/products/ca-70s
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Post by chessparov on Feb 3, 2024 18:25:51 GMT -6
Our own @chessperov has the Launcher. I've never once thought it did anything but harm his very nice voice. Boy Howdy guys! I've been experimenting with my "thickest" Prosumer Pre (LOL!)... The Audiobox. I'm wondering if that and/or might tame it down? I could mess with the Launcher in the chain tomorrow. Round up my usual smoothing Suspects... MJUCjr/etc. for a Spell (Sorry listening to Southern Rock and Country Rock right now) Chris P.S. A contributing factor, may also that I was "trying to hard" to sound more "Rawk". Exactly what my voice isn't suited for!
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Post by nick8801 on Feb 3, 2024 19:15:08 GMT -6
I genuinely enjoy what these kind of boxes do to dynamics and ribbons. I have a fethead at the moment. It’s a little flimsy but it does really make my mics sound good. Since I don’t really own any colored style preamps anymore, I thought it would be cool to try out something like this instead of dropping a bunch on a new pre. Plus, my space is kind of limited sooo…I have a Tierra Audio Vanilla and the Cloudlifter X as possible options. Thinking the Vanilla will have a bit more character, and the X might just sound more well rounded. I might just buy both.. hmmm
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Post by chessparov on Feb 3, 2024 19:40:04 GMT -6
FWIW I was impressed with the Useful Arts Hornet at NAMM. (Also Kenny Bronowski digs it too) Ben Sneesby loaned Peter, a very nice guy BTW... An Oliver FET.* (Otherwise a Blue Spark that Peter brought would have put up) * I was wavering between getting the Oliver FET and the Transformer based Elly. The Elly was set up at the Beesneez Booth. So I could go back/forth for vocal comparison. The Elly was slightly better for my voice. So that's the one I got. Been jonesing for a 47 FET style! Chris P.S. I take the Silver Bullet and Coil Plugs seriously too.
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Post by trappist on Feb 3, 2024 19:46:38 GMT -6
I have a BeezNeez Angus, a Cahedral Pipes Durham and a TritonAudio FetHead Germanium.
I am glad I have all three because each has its use for the needed amount of gain.
In terms of sound, I like the purity of my Cathedral Pipes and I like the granulity from my Triton Germanium especially when recording saxophone.
Sometimes both have too much gain and I use the Beezneez that does not perceptively alter the sound of my ribbons, but gives added peace of mind from possibly engaging phantom power.
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Post by stratboy on Feb 3, 2024 20:08:03 GMT -6
I have had a Cathedral Pipes Durham for a number of years. Very happy with it and recommend it as a great price/performance value. Lately, I’ve acquired a couple of Zombie cables from ZenPro. They work well, and make for a tidy addition to any mic setup in the studio. www.zenproaudio.com/zombie-microphone-booster-cable
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Post by chessparov on Feb 3, 2024 22:21:28 GMT -6
FWIW these sorta devices, are squarely in the "Pastime (Fun) Portion" of my so called Recording Life. Ideally it's best to get recorded firsthand, by a strong Pro AE (like Tony "Drumsound"). Sometimes I've been fortunate, to self record a nice Vocal. And nowadays, also lean towards the Condenser (and Ribbon) direction. My sense is that the assertiveness of the original Launcher... Can be more balanced, if need be, by something on the Dark side of Neutral. ("Paging Coles 4038" "Please report for Duty!") Chris
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Post by andersmv on Feb 3, 2024 22:54:42 GMT -6
I’ve got a cloudlifter as well as a few launchers and the new launcher deluxe. I was supposed to review all the color boxes from Tierra Audio last year but got too busy, they look really cool and I’m curious. I’ll start by saying that as far as the “booster” qualities of these things on the cleaner approach side of things, you’re not going to beat a properly designed, low noise/high impedance clean preamp like the AEA TRP. If I need more gain for my dynamics or ribbon mics, I’ll always go for the TRP first.
I’ve only got two channels of TRP, so my backup during larger sessions (when it’s being used) is the cloudlifter. For anything other than drums, I just don’t like my ribbon mics going strait into any of my other preamps. I reach for the cloudlifter. There’s a marginal improvement of the noise floor with ribbons, but the way they react to low end, clear up the midrange and bring the highs more forward is why I’ve had at least one for so long. It’s a good problem solver, but by no means my first choice anymore.
The Launchers are a whole other thing. For most people, I don’t think they’re worth the money. It’s not a piece of gear I recommend very often, because what it does is extremely subtle in most situations. I did a review on my YouTube channel where I compared the Soyuz 013 small cap tube vs solid state versions. Since my splitter had a third output, I ran the solid state mic through a launcher on everything as well. There’s full session files in the description for that video if anyone is curious. On every instrument you’ll have the solid state mic with and without the launcher. I’ve had SO many people tell me “there’s no difference, I can’t hear anything”. I think that’s going to be most people’s takeaway if you’re using the launchers in the “not as intended” way. I know they designed it more to plug something like an SM7 into it and get a better sounding vocal. I’ve honestly never used the Launchers for that. When I got my first launcher, I almost sent it back as it just didn’t seem to be doing anything. Then I plugged it into my old 1932 RCA PB-90 and did a vocal, holy cow… Noticeably different character! That Launcher was glued to my PB-90 for a year at least. It made the noise floor a little worse (and it’s already a noisy mic), but just pure vintage magic and character. Then I started experimenting with louder sources and realized the Launcher really came to life when it was pushed. It’s not a massive difference, but it’s enough to where I don’t like recording electric guitars without it anymore (the new Soyuz 1973 into the Launcher Deluxe on electrics… Amazeballs). If you get a phantom power supply, they provide enough gain to where you can run them right into your converters on some things.
The Cloudlifter is a great problem solver and tool, the Launcher is a bit expensive for what it actually does, but… I’m addicted to them now and love that I can easily throw it on anything with the new Launcher deluxe. I think a lot of bedroom people or the smarter crowd with realistic gear budgets think the Launcher is going to be a game changer, when in reality it’s exactly what it is: a transformer and an opamp. I’ve done enough shootouts of mics and outboard to know that those two magic words on paper don’t give you magic tone on their own. It’s only part of the circuit. It doesn’t do anything massive most of the time, but I like them well enough. On the other hand, I bet most people have at least one mic/preamp combo where the Launcher will make a noticeable and really awesome difference. There’s probably other ways you could achieve that for cheaper, but they work for me and I like them!
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Post by chessparov on Feb 3, 2024 23:11:38 GMT -6
Yes! Electric Guitar and/or Vocal Ribbon use was my first intuitive sense, of the original Launcher. Before seeing your (excellent) posts and videos.
I'm dreaming of a ... 44 Ribbon as Addition "Someday". (The active Cloud 44 with a "Flat" and "V" settings was awesome)
And ironically less "Cloudy" than the AEA 44's. Cloud V setting for the Baritone. The flat setting for the brighter Tenor register.
The Shure 57/58/SM7/etc. Unidynes on me, are at best interesting. Transformers? I really enjoy the Brimar in the BU67. And Ben's "E-Core" in the Elly. Along with the OG U195's... Chris
P.S. I may Nerd out and have both the "softer" toned Class A XMAS type Pre and the "clean" UA Volt (throw on Vintage Button) on me. I know Tony likes the EV635a, so I'll at least use it for reference.
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 4, 2024 5:27:19 GMT -6
I guess if you’re preamp lacks iron on the input a FET booster with a tranny could be useful.
The more useful and interesting Cloudlifter is the Variable Z model.
I’ve found it quite interesting varying the loading of mics especially ribbons.
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Post by seawell on Feb 4, 2024 10:24:58 GMT -6
I guess if you’re preamp lacks iron on the input a FET booster with a tranny could be useful. The more useful and interesting Cloudlifter is the Variable Z model. I’ve found it quite interesting varying the loading of mics especially ribbons. I just picked up the CL-Z model yesterday to help the SM7B get a cleaner signal for live streams and realized how much I had missed experimenting with variable impedance on mics. I used to have it on the APA Juggernaut Preamp when I owned that. Such a quick way to dial up unique tones, very cool.
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Post by chessparov on Feb 4, 2024 11:55:36 GMT -6
I decided to get the new CL-Zzzzzzz... For my Asleep At The Wheel cover band. Our Irish lead guitarist, Mel O' Tonan is excited about it. Partly as sometimes he's doublin' on Keys. Chris
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Post by thehightenor on Feb 4, 2024 14:02:12 GMT -6
I guess if you’re preamp lacks iron on the input a FET booster with a tranny could be useful. The more useful and interesting Cloudlifter is the Variable Z model. I’ve found it quite interesting varying the loading of mics especially ribbons. I just picked up the CL-Z model yesterday to help the SM7B get a cleaner signal for live streams and realized how much I had missed experimenting with variable impedance on mics. I used to have it on the APA Juggernaut Preamp when I owned that. Such a quick way to dial up unique tones, very cool. It's a great device. I love the 25dB gain for free (so to speak) It help with dynamic mics like 57's and M88's when using a BAE 1073 for example. You can get the pre into a sweet spot, so it's cleaner but still some mojo. Works great with ribbon mics too - they're really sensitive to varying the impedance.
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Post by nick8801 on Feb 4, 2024 14:08:16 GMT -6
Ordered two Tierra flavours….got the cocoa and the mint. I had a tracking session today and the Fethead was awesome on my setup with an sm7. Figured that covers my clean boost needs. I spent the evening last night watching and listening to various Tierra examples. The cocoa and mint were the two that consistently stood out. Not super cheap, but cheaper than a new preamp. Some of the examples I found online made 57’s and ribbons sound incredibly good. The mint with a 57 sounded gorgeous on acoustic guitar. Cocoa turned an sm7 into a vintage tube mic. Excited to get these in the studio!
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Post by chessparov on Feb 4, 2024 14:15:41 GMT -6
Do some Cream! Just sang this (another "one take" in the 'ol Coffee Shop)... Simply EV 635a into Launcher. Then Audiobox. Totally RAW. Nuthin' on it. Solid style Baritone here. Chris
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Post by smashlord on Feb 4, 2024 15:46:43 GMT -6
Triton FET Head seems to help the ol' SM7.
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Post by chessparov on Feb 4, 2024 16:39:02 GMT -6
How about the EV 635a above? The nice thing is Tony is familiar with my voice. Shh... I know that C37a he's recorded with... Or Tony's 87, will slay the 'lil EV/Launcher combo. Chris EDIT: Gussied up version below. Added Mild "clean" Compression/2% Plate Reverb/Mild De-Essing. 2/5/14... Kinda quiet regarding the clip. So I'll wait on the Tenor. Plus I miss my other mics!
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Post by chessparov on Feb 7, 2024 14:33:30 GMT -6
Our own @chessperov has the Launcher. I've never once thought it did anything but harm his very nice voice. Yep Tony. Been beginning to think that the original Launcher on me.. Is like running Johnny Mathis' voice, through a Wah Wah Pedal! * I'll probably sell mine and get the new Mixwave Coil Plug. IMHO that Launcher will be more of use to someone else. Thanks as always for your helpful feedback! Chris *It's also sometimes better for me just to find someone else, with a kick a** voice for vocal contrast.
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Post by drumsound on Feb 7, 2024 14:51:42 GMT -6
Our own @chessperov has the Launcher. I've never once thought it did anything but harm his very nice voice. Yep Tony. Been beginning to think that the original Launcher on me.. Is like running Johnny Mathis' voice, through a Wah Wah Pedal! * I'll probably sell mine and get the new Mixwave Coil Plug. IMHO that Launcher will be more of use to someone else. Thanks as always for your helpful feedback! Chris *It's also sometimes better for me just to find someone else, with a kick a** voice for vocal contrast. Sounds like a good plan. I always gotcha, brother!
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Post by doubledog on Feb 7, 2024 20:42:54 GMT -6
Our Irish lead guitarist, Mel O' Tonan is excited about it. Partly as sometimes he's doublin' on Keys. don't you mean Dublin on keys?
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Post by chessparov on Feb 8, 2024 1:14:24 GMT -6
Just put my Launcher ad in, here at RGO. Chris
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