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Post by jacklord on Jan 22, 2024 17:53:49 GMT -6
Tube mic newbie here. First post around here but have read many.
I bought what was sold as NOS Telefunken EF86 tubes "tested new" to replace EHX EF86 in a WA67. One Tele works great. A few seconds of click click click (steady rhythmic percussive sound) when powered up but it fades after a few seconds. The other Tele EF86 just makes the clicking sound steadily. I had put it in the mic and turned on power supply and kept it for a few hours. When I checked sound is when I noticed this sound. Is this because tube is fried? Can a bad tube hurt a tube mic like the wA67?
I've tried the EHX stock tube, a Valvo EF86, and 3 different Tekefunkens. The two working Telefunkens are my favorites. I do have another Telefunken gray plate coming tomorrow to compare.i look forward to learn more.
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Post by ericn on Jan 22, 2024 18:02:16 GMT -6
The question with any NOS tube purchase is ? Where did you buy them? If it was our own Bowie, probably the most trusted source of audio tubes. If it was PM him I’m sure all will be taken care of.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 22, 2024 18:12:31 GMT -6
If they said “tested new”, did seller offer any warrenty?
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Post by ab101 on Jan 22, 2024 18:59:18 GMT -6
Tube mic newbie here. First post around here but have read many. I bought what was sold as NOS Telefunken EF86 tubes "tested new" to replace EHX EF86 in a WA67. One Tele works great. A few seconds of click click click (steady rhythmic percussive sound) when powered up but it fades after a few seconds. The other Tele EF86 just makes the clicking sound steadily. I had put it in the mic and turned on power supply and kept it for a few hours. When I checked sound is when I noticed this sound. Is this because tube is fried? Can a bad tube hurt a tube mic like the wA67? I've tried the EHX stock tube, a Valvo EF86, and 3 different Tekefunkens. The two working Telefunkens are my favorites. I do have another Telefunken gray plate coming tomorrow to compare.i look forward to learn more. Welcome jacklord to RGO! If you can return the two teles you just bought, I would do so. Did you buy it from ebay or reverb where the feedback for the seller is noted? Did you use paypal to buy it? Did you buy it in the country where you live? Is there a diamond etched in the bottom of the two so called "tested new" tele tubes? There are quite a few possible remedies. It seems like other tubes work in your mic, so that is a sign that it is not the mic. Bowie is King on these issues - agreed. And I think he even posted today. So, maybe he will see this. bowieKeep us posted!
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Post by aremos on Jan 22, 2024 19:58:56 GMT -6
Yes, Welcome jacklord to RGO, keep us posted & ... Book'm Dano!
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Post by ericn on Jan 22, 2024 20:43:09 GMT -6
I didn’t notice it was your first post, forgive me for not welcoming you to our corner of the internet, there are bigger but none better.
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Post by jacklord on Jan 23, 2024 1:23:49 GMT -6
I didn’t notice it was your first post, forgive me for not welcoming you to our corner of the internet, there are bigger but none better. Many thanks for the welcome! They were purchased here in Germany on Ebay. Reputable seller as far as I know but absolutely "no returns, sold as is". I wrote to seller asking if he had any suggestions but my mail fell on deaf ears. Diamond etched, code correct. I should be getting another NOS Telefunken today from another dealer who stated I could try it in my mic and if any problems, I can return. I wish I had known about Bowie before this. Thank you for reading and answering my post! I am wondering if I leave this clicking tube in if it may improve? I don't want to damage the microphone. I admit I know very little about these things. If I can figure out how to upload audio, I can post a short clip of the sound.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 23, 2024 4:27:00 GMT -6
Believe little peeps on the net you don’t know tell you about their”nos” only polished by grandma tubes: believe everything bowie tells you: nuff said.
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Post by jacklord on Jan 23, 2024 5:19:07 GMT -6
Believe little peeps on the net you don’t know tell you about their”nos” only polished by grandma tubes: believe everything bowie tells you: nuff said. Thank you for your message! I'm less than 24 hours old on here so I haven't yet met Bowie so he hasn't told me anything up to this point. After hearing his name so often since I've been on this platform, I certainly will look into his posts to better my understanding and hope he outreaches to my question. But maybe you can tell me what the problem is with the tube I've described and more importantly...will this tube damage the microphone in any way? Thank you again!
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 23, 2024 5:27:27 GMT -6
Wish I could but it shouldn’t be clicking or making any noise.
I am not an expert in how tubes actually work, but they have a thermal component to them and physical parts. in this case they are part of boosting a micro phonic signal so the click could be an almost imperceptible sound but now amplified.
If you haven’t, you can clean the pins with a deoxit spray ckeaner or if you have very fine wet dry sandpaper as you may have an inconsistent connection.
But the fact that you only hear it with the one new to you tube, suggests it is just defective and personally, I don’t trust the seller.
If you know anyone else with the wa67 Mike, trying swapping it and see, but I think it’s flawed.
You could always send it to bowie to confirm.
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Post by EmRR on Jan 23, 2024 7:03:30 GMT -6
Leave it turned on for 2-4 days and then listen
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Post by jacklord on Jan 23, 2024 7:21:50 GMT -6
Leave it turned on for 2-4 days and then listen Many thanks for taking the time to answer. Ok, I will. I'm just worried if a bad tube can ruin a microphone which is something I do not know but something I'd like to know but of course not by experience. I cannot financially afford to replace this microphone.
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Post by jacklord on Jan 23, 2024 7:38:44 GMT -6
Leave it turned on for 2-4 days and then listen Many thanks for taking the time to answer. Ok, I will. I'm just worried if a bad tube can ruin a microphone which is something I do not know but something I'd like to know but of course not by experience. I cannot financially afford to replace this microphone. And I'm not sure if it is important or not but no sound other than the clicking is present when powered on and hooked up to mixer with the "clicky" tube.
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 23, 2024 7:44:51 GMT -6
Leave it turned on for 2-4 days and then listen Many thanks for taking the time to answer. Ok, I will. I'm just worried if a bad tube can ruin a microphone which is something I do not know but something I'd like to know but of course not by experience. I cannot financially afford to replace this microphone. Think about it. Any tube can fail at any moment and circuit designers allow for this in their designs - otherwise we'd all be praying and crossing are fingers every time we turned on any tube gear. Signal level tubes are usually safe if they go bad. Power tubes in guitar amps can cause more problems when they fail as the current involved in way, way higher. Put the EHX EF86 back into your WA67 - do is work as it did before? There's your answer
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Post by svart on Jan 23, 2024 8:07:05 GMT -6
So the click sound is coming through the audio, or is it coming from the body of the mic or the power supply?
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Post by jacklord on Jan 23, 2024 10:16:14 GMT -6
Many thanks for taking the time to answer. Ok, I will. I'm just worried if a bad tube can ruin a microphone which is something I do not know but something I'd like to know but of course not by experience. I cannot financially afford to replace this microphone. Think about it. Any tube can fail at any moment and circuit designers allow for this in their designs - otherwise we'd all be praying and crossing are fingers every time we turned on any tube gear. Signal level tubes are usually safe if they go bad. Power tubes in guitar amps can cause more problems when they fail as the current involved in way, way higher. Put the EHX EF86 back into your WA67 - do is work as it did before? There's your answer Thanks for all that. The click comes from audio only. The EHX works as it did originally. The working Tele makes the clicking sound for a few seconds then audio appears clearly and sound is superior to the EHX. I appreciate all who chimed in on this thread. I've learned a lot. I will update when the other Tele (with guaranteed no question return) shows up and has been tested. In the meanwhile I'll put the clicking one in and see what happens after a couple days. Many thanks again!
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Post by EmRR on Jan 23, 2024 13:06:00 GMT -6
All click no audio? Definitely turn it off.
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Post by svart on Jan 23, 2024 13:10:17 GMT -6
Check the tube out in a dark room while it's running. If you see the orange glow change when popping, I wonder if they are causing a problem with the power supply..
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 23, 2024 13:37:34 GMT -6
I have the Stam 67 and ef86 tubes and others, never hear any clicking.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 23, 2024 13:38:47 GMT -6
Not certain if you bought it new but Chad Kelly mods Warm mikes, basically upgrades them.
Food for thought.
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Post by jacklord on Jan 23, 2024 14:34:19 GMT -6
All click no audio? Definitely turn it off. I will leave it off. I checked the EHX tube again and no problem. I turned my mixer up louder and it definitely sounds almost like steady rhythmic static. Again, no audio passes through with these tubes. Now 2 out of 3 Telefunken EF86 have this problem. The EHX, Valvo, and one Telefunken work. I also thought about the PS but it works fine with the mentioned tubes. A bit of Google research brought up a thread on another site that mentioned a PS needs to be tuned specifically for the tube being used. Again, THIS IS ALL NEW TO ME. I've never had a tube mic before. I just happened to want to try the Telefunken after talking to an old neighbor of mine who worked for Telefunken/Osram a million years ago. Once I discovered I personally found an improvement in sound with the Telefunken this became an obsession. The mic is under warranty but like I said it works good with the stock tube so what would be the point in claiming the unit is defective? I am just wondering why this is happening out of my own curiosity. Hopefully just bad tubes. Eventually I will find a good working one. There is a German tube dealer near where I live which sells a "house brand" selected EF806S specifically for microphones but I suspect these are just rebranded Chinese or Russion Tubes sold at a higher price. I am grateful for the answers and would like to know if anyone knows how to get in touch with Bowie? Should I just message him or is there a website? Thanks in advance!
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Post by bowie on Jan 23, 2024 14:48:26 GMT -6
Tubes are usually sold as "tested" but that doesn't mean that they are (spoiler; they often aren't). It's about as scammy a market as unearthed artifacts because buyers cant tell if the seller is lying or not, or maybe just clueless. Old tube testers don't help. I could probably go on ebay right now and, within 10min, find a dozen listings where sellers w/ 100% positive feedback are lying (either selling used tubes as NOS in the wrong box, or selling something as a Mullard/Telefunken/etc when it was not made by those companies). It's unreal what goes on there. Expect to get ripped off. I'm a so-called expert and I still get ripped off. I just received a case of 50 NOS tubes from Europe that was misrepresented by a large parts supplier. That's a months pay gone. It can be tedious and expensive to go through them and, depending how picky you are, end up with a few quiet ones.
As far as the safety of the mic, it depends on the circuit. I don't like to leave potentially dead tubes running because I've measured power supplies while this is happening, just to see, and the filament voltage can sometimes go to scary levels. They usually won't "wake up" but you can try a couple things to see if there's hope. One is scrubbing the pins until they shine. A spray won't do it, you need to physically remove the oxidation. You can also try to seat them at an angle. Even though it seems impossible that a tube could be inserted and not make contact, it happens. Many sockets these days have poor tolerances and the oversized pins of the stock tubes stretch the terminals even further. Vintage tube pins are slim and sometimes don't connect. To remedy, tilt the tube at a slight angle (think; leaning tower) to force contact. Just don't let it touch the body of the mic or you'll get hum.
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Post by jacklord on Jan 23, 2024 14:49:52 GMT -6
Not certain if you bought it new but Chad Kelly mods Warm mikes, basically upgrades them. Food for thought. Sounds expensive. He doesn't seem to have a website under his name so I can't find out what he does and charges.
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Post by drbill on Jan 23, 2024 15:01:58 GMT -6
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Post by jacklord on Jan 23, 2024 15:04:32 GMT -6
Tubes are usually sold as "tested" but that doesn't mean that they are (spoiler; they often aren't). It's about as scammy a market as unearthed artifacts because buyers cant tell if the seller is lying or not, or maybe just clueless. Old tube testers don't help. I could probably go on ebay right now and, within 10min, find a dozen listings where sellers w/ 100% positive feedback are lying (either selling used tubes as NOS in the wrong box, or selling something as a Mullard/Telefunken/etc when it was not made by those companies). It's unreal what goes on there. Expect to get ripped off. I'm a so-called expert and I still get ripped off. I just received a case of 50 NOS tubes from Europe that was misrepresented by a large parts supplier. That's a months pay gone. It can be tedious and expensive to go through them and, depending how picky you are, end up with a few quiet ones. As far as the safety of the mic, it depends on the circuit. I don't like to leave potentially dead tubes running because I've measured power supplies while this is happening, just to see, and the filament voltage can sometimes go to scary levels. They usually won't "wake up" but you can try a couple things to see if there's hope. One is scrubbing the pins until they shine. A spray won't do it, you need to physically remove the oxidation. You can also try to seat them at an angle. Even though it seems impossible that a tube could be inserted and not make contact, it happens. Many sockets these days have poor tolerances and the oversized pins of the stock tubes stretch the terminals even further. Vintage tube pins are slim and sometimes don't connect. To remedy, tilt the tube at a slight angle (think; leaning tower) to force contact. Just don't let it touch the body of the mic or you'll get hum. Thank you so much. Great lesson from a master teacher. I started working on pins with "gold" sand paper which I use on my guitar frets but stopped as I was unsure. I will try out your tips and report back. I'm sorry to hear about your situation with the tubes. Someone on another forum referred me to a dealer in Turkey who 'sells old NATO" stock. I don't go for that spiel and think this guy is unloading pulls or rejects from companies like Telefunken, Tesla, etc. The only reason I bought the tubes from the guy I did is because I had a good experience with 3 Japanese 12ax7 I had got from him for a guitar amp. After he refused communication with the EF86 situation, I will never go the Ebay route again. I also recently, not recently enough though, learned that many Ebayers actually can buy positive feedback. Something I had never known. Bowie: May I contact you privately?
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