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Post by jsteiger on Jul 16, 2014 14:40:07 GMT -6
......Boldness in the face of cowardly-safe-mediocracy is a respectable thing. Great post Sal!! I especially love this part /\  Cobb and Netti = audio  yes ninja's |
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Post by mobeach on Jul 16, 2014 14:54:58 GMT -6
He does sound like Waylon.
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Post by rolffz on Jul 16, 2014 14:57:55 GMT -6
To be clear, I've heard AMAZING stuff come out of ur place! No disrespect intended, quite the opposite, but we are an audio forum, of course we scrutinize the poo out of stuff. respect sir No offense taken at all. My point was that scrutinizing is one thing and intentionally getting a sound and then someone not getting why they did it is possibly another. See what I mean. Not every track has to be crystal clear. I personally do not find the 'SS' vocal tracks distracting at all. If you know the back story on the guy, it might explain what he's all about. He doesn't like the sound of current 'country' music. I just saw an interview where he said recording a song should be just that, not spending days/weeks/months on one saong to 'get it right'. I agree with him. I don't know what Dave Cobb was doing, intentionally or not, but I will say if he was going for a gritty 60s/70s "Waylon sound" where distorted vocals and other tracks were very common, he nailed it. Give a Waylon, or other similar genre from the same time period, album a listen sometime. I think that will better explain what I mean. You might also listen to Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, Rolling Stones vocal tracks sometime. I have not heard anyone pick those apart yet either. BTW - We have customers rent a specific compressor to intentionally distort a track, (frequently for vocals). I frankly love noise. Currently, no one seems to have a problem when Jack White's vocal tracks are distorted... All good for discussion! |
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Post by gouge on Jul 16, 2014 15:00:20 GMT -6
How is it bold when you can all point out artists from the past it sounds like. I'd think it more emulation.
miles davis was bold
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jul 16, 2014 15:08:39 GMT -6
I'm not saying I don't like the distortion persay, when I first heard it though, it took me by surprise. His voice is so pure and accurate it was almost like the distortion didn't fit with his voice. Either way, he's impossible to make sound bad. I'd buy his record if was recorded on a Fostex 4 track cassette.
I saw his performance on Letterman... Daauumm, the man has some serious chops...
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jul 16, 2014 15:13:53 GMT -6
And he's from Jackson Ky just a short boat ride up the river from where I grew up. Yet another mountain boy who can sang. Of coarse there wasn't much else to do in the mountains but sit around and thump on guitars.
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 16, 2014 15:26:13 GMT -6
How is it bold when you can all point out artists from the past it sounds like. I'd think it more emulation. miles davis was bold "Boldness" is doing something you believe in… and not making excuses. Neither Dave or Stergill put on a phony "retro vibe" to try and sound cool or chase The Lumineers. It's what they love and do everyday. I respect that. To me… it's honest and fearless…and bold. |
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Post by rolffz on Jul 16, 2014 15:35:19 GMT -6
How is it bold when you can all point out artists from the past it sounds like. I'd think it more emulation. miles davis was bold Excellent point. Miles Davis was definitely bold...and he was also very boring. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 16, 2014 15:35:23 GMT -6
And he's from Jackson Ky just a short boat ride up the river from where I grew up. Yet another mountain boy who can sang. Of coarse there wasn't much else to do in the mountains but sit around and thump on guitars. I thought you people traveled by mule... |
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Post by gouge on Jul 16, 2014 15:43:50 GMT -6
I guess that gets to the heart of my comments littlesic,
it does come across as phony to me. there seems to be a whole host of bands striving to make their music sound old. to me that makes it more about aesthetics. but i get that this is their thing and respect that.
as a guess, i feel their is more going on here then just overdriving preamps on a console or pushing tape. I'd say there is some daw intervention helping this sound along it's way. musical taste aside i'de be very interested to know the way in which these guys crafted this album.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 16, 2014 15:46:17 GMT -6
How is it bold when you can all point out artists from the past it sounds like. I'd think it more emulation. miles davis was bold Excellent point. Miles Davis was definitely bold...and he was also very boring. This is the dumbest post I've ever read on any forum(not u gouge) also, colored vibey gooey goodness, and hifi are not mutually exclusive, and the latter is certainly not cowardly, boldness and danger come from the musicians, not the engineers. Miles Davis boring? I guess Jeff Beck and Coltrane go on that list also... |
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 16, 2014 15:47:18 GMT -6
as a guess, i feel their is more going on here then just overdriving preamps on a console or pushing tape. I'd say there is some daw intervention helping this sound along it's way. musical taste aside i'de be very interested to know the way in which these guys crafted this album. According to Dave, who is quite the gear-head/engineer… that voc drive is the Neve 1064. |
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Post by rolffz on Jul 16, 2014 15:57:01 GMT -6
Excellent point. Miles Davis was definitely bold...and he was also very boring. This is the dumbest post I've ever read on any forum(not u gouge) also, colored vibey gooey goodness, and hifi are not mutually exclusive, and the latter is certainly not cowardly, boldness and danger come from the musicians, not the engineers. Miles Davis boring? I guess Jeff Beck and Coltrane go on that list also... No. Bad guess. This is a discussion so I don't mind your opinion and discussion and comments about mine. I should compliment @johnkenn for establishing this forum, since I am finding a much better slice of converstaionalists here than at the 'other place'. |
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Post by mobeach on Jul 16, 2014 16:01:41 GMT -6
It's a great groove
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 16, 2014 16:02:11 GMT -6
Ok - let's not bicker. Sorry I started it...but opinions are just that - opinions. I think this SS stuff is the real deal. I too get annoyed when the latest and most lauded is a veiled facsimile of stuff that's already been done - but this doesn't strike me that way. Maybe the very thing that I said I didn't care for - the driven vocals - is the thing that makes it sound fresh.
Anyway, I think Rolff's point was - let's not analyze this to death - and here we sit analyzing it to death. The whole point of me starting this thread was "Damn - I love this new SS record. The distortion freaks me out a little but I don't give a shit..."
And btw - Tony, I think that's a little harsh...it's his opinion. I love the early MD stuff...but at the end...the jazz fusion...it was mind numbing.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 16, 2014 16:05:52 GMT -6
Let's just keep it civil. All opinions are welcome and should be respected - no one is gonna convince anyone of anything from a message board post. Thanks for being here, rolffz. We could all learn a lot from you! |
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Post by rolffz on Jul 16, 2014 16:28:44 GMT -6
Let's just keep it civil. All opinions are welcome and should be respected - no one is gonna convince anyone of anything from a message board post. Thanks for being here, rolffz. We could all learn a lot from you! You all are very kind and passionate. I feel that here more than other forums. Perhaps the very reason @johnkenn broke away with this one. I should say more so in return, that I could learn a hell of a lot from you people here. Admittedly, I often find myself working in a very cool place. Albeit, a bubble and this forum allows another look on the world outside of the 'bird. We deal with a lot of facets here, but I would never want anyone to think that we are above anyone else in this or any other part of the business we are in today. We just happen to be sitting on a shit ton of very great gear (ok we have a few not so great pieces), but it really does all start with a great song, performer and players. And then there are the unforgotten technical people who's responsibility it is to make sure it gets captured, documented and translated to some sort of proper media and preserved for eternity, with or with out distortion.  Rock on! |
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Post by lolo on Jul 16, 2014 19:46:59 GMT -6
Actually don't mind the distortion on this. YES it is different for sure. Been listening to some of his new tunes yesterday and really like it.
In a way nice to hear something different.
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Post by Ward on Jul 17, 2014 8:36:57 GMT -6
Who's the guitar player with him? He's a great player!
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Post by jsteiger on Jul 17, 2014 9:00:01 GMT -6
Who's the guitar player with him? He's a great player! He is amazing no doubt. That is Laur Joamets from Estonia. Recruited for Cobb and Sturgill by Mike Miley (Rival Sons drummer). The kid is a blues/rock player. He's been playing country for about 10 months now  |
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Post by mobeach on Jul 17, 2014 9:38:13 GMT -6
The blues/rock shows up in the musical structure, sort of a walking blues bassline.
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Post by Ward on Jul 17, 2014 11:42:59 GMT -6
Who's the guitar player with him? He's a great player! He is amazing no doubt. That is Laur Joamets from Estonia. Recruited for Cobb and Sturgill by Mike Miley (Rival Sons drummer). The kid is a blues/rock player. He's been playing country for about 10 months now Thanks for that!! |
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Post by RicFoxx on Jul 17, 2014 19:01:00 GMT -6
Hadn't commented in a while but thought Id join in with an opinion. I like driving analog equipment and sometimes it just works but in this case it was distracting to me but still somehow liked it...sounded like the Duke Boys were about to get apprehended by BossHog!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 17, 2014 21:44:08 GMT -6
Damn, that rhythm section's so tight, that little combo sounded light a freight train. Now, that man can sing, and if I was in the audience, I'd be screaming and shouting. Unfortunately, I think for someone new to change the landscape in Country music today, in the way Nirvana killed the hair bands overnight, I think it'll take someone with these kind of chops and a more sellable image.
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