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Post by geoff738 on Jan 15, 2024 14:49:20 GMT -6
Ok, I am pondering picking up the dbx 160 plug for $14.
Thoughts?
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by audiospecific on Jan 15, 2024 15:11:12 GMT -6
Ok, I am pondering picking up the dbx 160 plug for $14. Thoughts? Cheers, Geoff I'm sure UAD did a better job than waves. I notice on different DAWs the waves one isn't transparent on the highs as the hardware, but I noticed that all tried to emulate the 160 in a plugin they end up with the bass being a little lumpy. So I would recommend a sloped high pass before it around 80 hz |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 15, 2024 15:28:50 GMT -6
It's definitely worth $14...it'll do that bass snap sound.
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Post by geoff738 on Jan 15, 2024 18:10:03 GMT -6
Ok, looks like I spent my $25 on the Fairchild and I forgot. $39 is still pretty good but I think I’m gonna pass for now. I think their prices are still in place for the next couple of days. Til the next sale
Cheers,
Geoff
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 18:21:17 GMT -6
Ok, I am pondering picking up the dbx 160 plug for $14. Thoughts? Cheers, Geoff Stop buying emulation plugins that cannot work properly in the box. You can get the current version of the hardware for 200. You can get a plug that's just as good as the hardware for 30 bucks without the stupid transients: klanghelm.com/contents/products/DC8Cfor 10 bucks you can get kotelnikov ge and that slaps hard without a stupid spikey transient.
the free versions (kotelnikov regular and dc1a) slap hard with no dumb transient too.
Dan
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 18:23:53 GMT -6
Ok, I am pondering picking up the dbx 160 plug for $14. Thoughts? Cheers, Geoff I'm sure UAD did a better job than waves. I notice on different DAWs the waves one isn't transparent on the highs as the hardware, but I noticed that all tried to emulate the 160 in a plugin they end up with the bass being a little lumpy. So I would recommend a sloped high pass before it around 80 hz the waves one oversamples to 88.2/96 kHz. the UAD one goes to 176.4/192 kHz. they both can slap. they're both inconsistent and misfire constantly unlike the hardware, which is very consistent for the stupid expansion and then compression when crossing threshold and the aggressive rms leveling it can do. the hardware circuitry is not transparent at all no matter version you get. it's not an alesis 3630 but it's not clean. |
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Post by geoff738 on Jan 15, 2024 18:47:32 GMT -6
Ok, I am pondering picking up the dbx 160 plug for $14. Thoughts? Cheers, Geoff Stop buying emulation plugins that cannot work properly in the box. Dan
Dan, Heres the thing. I’m old. I have some affection for the hardware I saw and sometimes even got to use back in the day. Which I can no longer justify for monetary or space reasons. I love my hardware. But I only have so much space. So yes, emulation plugs get my attention, even if there are better, more modern and/or cheaper options available. It is what it is. Plus I have 60 year old ears. I can’t hear what I once could. I do sometimes pick up stuff that isn’t an emulation, like the Silver Bullet. And I did pick up some TDR stuff partly on your recommendation. And, almost all the emulated stuff I want I now have. So branching out from that may well be my path going forward. Anyhow, I hope you’ll keep informing us of cool stuff you come across. I may not buy it but I almost always give it a look. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by ab101 on Jan 15, 2024 19:10:01 GMT -6
Ok, I am pondering picking up the dbx 160 plug for $14. Thoughts? Cheers, Geoff Stop buying emulation plugins that cannot work properly in the box. You can get the current version of the hardware for 200. You can get a plug that's just as good as the hardware for 30 bucks without the stupid transients: klanghelm.com/contents/products/DC8Cfor 10 bucks you can get kotelnikov ge and that slaps hard without a stupid spikey transient.
the free versions (kotelnikov regular and dc1a) slap hard with no dumb transient too.
Dan
I have found that the slap of the Kotelnikov is the only plugin I have found of that nature that if my eyes are closed, I would have thought I did it with hardware. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 19:16:02 GMT -6
Stop buying emulation plugins that cannot work properly in the box. Dan
Dan, Heres the thing. I’m old. I have some affection for the hardware I saw and sometimes even got to use back in the day. Which I can no longer justify for monetary or space reasons. I love my hardware. But I only have so much space. So yes, emulation plugs get my attention, even if there are better, more modern and/or cheaper options available. It is what it is. Plus I have 60 year old ears. I can’t hear what I once could. I do sometimes pick up stuff that isn’t an emulation, like the Silver Bullet. And I did pick up some TDR stuff partly on your recommendation. And, almost all the emulated stuff I want I now have. So branching out from that may well be my path going forward. Anyhow, I hope you’ll keep informing us of cool stuff you come across. I may not buy it but I almost always give it a look. Cheers, Geoff Why not just get the used 500 series hardware then? New it's 200 bucks. Used it sits for 150. No reason you couldn't score it for 100 + shipping. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 19:26:31 GMT -6
Stop buying emulation plugins that cannot work properly in the box. You can get the current version of the hardware for 200. You can get a plug that's just as good as the hardware for 30 bucks without the stupid transients: klanghelm.com/contents/products/DC8Cfor 10 bucks you can get kotelnikov ge and that slaps hard without a stupid spikey transient.
the free versions (kotelnikov regular and dc1a) slap hard with no dumb transient too.
Dan
I have found that the slap of the Kotelnikov is the only plugin I have found of that nature that if my eyes are closed, I would have thought I did it with hardware. Kotelnikov, Molot, Presswerk, Vulf Compressor, the MDWDRC2 has that stupid overshoot on harder knees, Weiss has that overshoot but speeds up more elegantly, Unisum you can pretty much turn into a Distressor, the Oxford Limiter can sound like an SSL bus on crack. Oxford Dynamics and Waves Renaissance Compressor remind me of solid but drum performance ruining VCA compressors a lot. |
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Post by geoff738 on Jan 15, 2024 19:59:35 GMT -6
Dan, Heres the thing. I’m old. I have some affection for the hardware I saw and sometimes even got to use back in the day. Which I can no longer justify for monetary or space reasons. I love my hardware. But I only have so much space. So yes, emulation plugs get my attention, even if there are better, more modern and/or cheaper options available. It is what it is. Plus I have 60 year old ears. I can’t hear what I once could. I do sometimes pick up stuff that isn’t an emulation, like the Silver Bullet. And I did pick up some TDR stuff partly on your recommendation. And, almost all the emulated stuff I want I now have. So branching out from that may well be my path going forward. Anyhow, I hope you’ll keep informing us of cool stuff you come across. I may not buy it but I almost always give it a look. Cheers, Geoff Why not just get the used 500 series hardware then? New it's 200 bucks. Used it sits for 150. No reason you couldn't score it for 100 + shipping. I don’t have a 500 series rack. If I did I’d feel compelled to fill it. Trying to avoid that. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by beyer160 on Jan 15, 2024 20:20:05 GMT -6
I took the bait, all right.
I more or less got out of professional recording around the time people started putting DAWs on their home computers and I never invested "professional" money in plugins or interface hardware so I was never in the UAD ecosystem. I'd always heard great things about UAD though, so when the Native thing happened and all those crazy deals started popping up before Christmas, I bought a bunch of their stuff. The first one I tried was the 175 on a rock bass track. My first impression was, "Oh my GOD!!!" It sounded amazing! "Phat", "Punchy", all the buzzwords! If this was what I'd been missing by using all those dumb freebies and Waves stuff, I'd been an idiot not to pony up for UAD before.
Then I smacked myself in the forehead as the realization hit me.
I bypassed the plugin, and the 1-2 dB boost went away.
When I compensated for the volume boost of the plugin, it didn't sound nearly as mind-blowing. Good, sure, but no longer a gamechanger like it'd seemed just minutes earlier.
I'm still in the tracking stage of my current project so I haven't done a real mix with this stuff yet. My impressions so far are that the ones I've used are worth the greatly reduced price I paid, but not the ridiculous list price that I'm sure (like Waves) no one actually pays any more.
And you guys are gonna laugh, but I still love that damn Waves PuigChild on the 2-buss. I'm sure there are better M/S limiters out there, but the LAT/VER mode of the PuigChild just works for me and the broke garage bands I record.
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Post by beyer160 on Jan 15, 2024 20:21:24 GMT -6
I don’t have a 500 series rack. If I did I’d feel compelled to fill it. Trying to avoid that. Cheers, Geoff Yeah, I got that T-shirt last year. I got some cool stuff, but talk about "mission creep". |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 21:09:49 GMT -6
Yeah UA, stop dangling your carrot.
*Sit's in a corner, I wish Chris was here right now.. Sigh..
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Post by ab101 on Jan 15, 2024 21:57:07 GMT -6
I have found that the slap of the Kotelnikov is the only plugin I have found of that nature that if my eyes are closed, I would have thought I did it with hardware. Kotelnikov, Molot, Presswerk, Vulf Compressor, the MDWDRC2 has that stupid overshoot on harder knees, Weiss has that overshoot but speeds up more elegantly, Unisum you can pretty much turn into a Distressor, the Oxford Limiter can sound like an SSL bus on crack. Oxford Dynamics and Waves Renaissance Compressor remind me of solid but drum performance ruining VCA compressors a lot. Dan - any good presets to share on the MDWDRC2. It is deep! I think MDW has some on their website somewhere. |
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