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Post by knucklehead89 on Jan 1, 2024 20:08:36 GMT -6
Impressive. Thanks for doing this Paul. l would love to hear this kind comparisons between a U67 and Ben’s B67.
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Post by Ward on Jan 2, 2024 11:22:41 GMT -6
I have a 1961 AKG C12a, so I am accustomed to the sound. Overly accustomed to it, for its betters and worsers . IKWIM
IN YOUR TEST.
I prefer A and suspect it is an original, it has the 'fricasseed T' thing on every t and th sound, but that's part of what makes a C12a a C12a.
The second factor is the two resonant points, one in the 7K (fixed the 5k typo) range and the other wide one centered around 300hz.
There is more of this in B. Is it that big a deal? NO.
I don't know if anyone has attempted to do an exact clone of the C12a before, and I would suggest they probably won't know because this is as close as it will ever get.
PRAISE! And thank you for doing this and for sharing!
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Post by timcampbell on Jan 2, 2024 11:52:41 GMT -6
I have a 1961 AKG C12a, so I am accustomed to the sound. Overly accustomed to it, for its betters and worsers . IKWIM IN YOUR TEST. I prefer A and suspect it is an original, it has the 'fricasseed T' thing on every t and th sound, but that's part of what makes a C12a a C12a. The second factor is the two resonant points, one in the 5K range and the other wide one centered around 300hz. There is more of this in B. Is it that big a deal? NO. I don't know if anyone has attempted to do an exact clone of the C12a before, and I would suggest they probably won't know because this is as close as it will ever get. PRAISE! And thank you for doing this and for sharing! Ward just to answer your question and not wax on about a competing product. Dave Pearlman makes a version of the C12a using a generic body and a real nuvistor. |
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Post by Ward on Jan 2, 2024 12:01:07 GMT -6
I have a 1961 AKG C12a, so I am accustomed to the sound. Overly accustomed to it, for its betters and worsers . IKWIM IN YOUR TEST. I prefer A and suspect it is an original, it has the 'fricasseed T' thing on every t and th sound, but that's part of what makes a C12a a C12a. The second factor is the two resonant points, one in the 5K range and the other wide one centered around 300hz. There is more of this in B. Is it that big a deal? NO. I don't know if anyone has attempted to do an exact clone of the C12a before, and I would suggest they probably won't know because this is as close as it will ever get. PRAISE! And thank you for doing this and for sharing! Ward just to answer your question and not wax on about a competing product. Dave Pearlman makes a version of the C12a using a generic body and a real nuvistor. And thanks for excusing my typo , I meant 7K resonance not 5k |
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Post by drumsound on Jan 6, 2024 12:18:15 GMT -6
I finally took some time to download these and listen on my little earbud while enjoying a lazy Saturday.
They are similar in a good way, I do feel that A makes it feel like I'm right there next to the singer in a way that I love. B sounds quite good and possibly with a bass boost of some sort could feel as present.
Both mics sound nicely extended in frequency response, but A feels a little more extended in both directions.
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Post by ragan on Jan 8, 2024 11:12:39 GMT -6
Finally got a chance to listen. Thanks for posting these paulcheeba. Sounds really nice. I slightly preferred A, for its open dimensionality, but they’re quite close. I kind of want to get one (the Beezneez version). paulcheeba how do you feel about (either of) these as vocal mics in general, compared to a C12 or 251? |
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Post by paulcheeba on Jan 9, 2024 19:09:56 GMT -6
Finally got a chance to listen. Thanks for posting these paulcheeba. Sounds really nice. I slightly preferred A, for its open dimensionality, but they’re quite close. I kind of want to get one (the Beezneez version). paulcheeba how do you feel about (either of) these as vocal mics in general, compared to a C12 or 251? Thanks Ragan. I have the same Beesneez capsules in my 251’s and they sound pretty much the same which I think is really great. Obviously there is a difference in the body shape and weight but you only really hear it if you’re eating the mic. I think they are terrific sounding vocal mics. Classic in the AKG early style. Whether a CK12 suits your voice is a different matter but they sound lovely. |
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Post by ragan on Jan 10, 2024 0:12:33 GMT -6
Thanks paulcheeba . I've long been looking for a mic with forgiving, relaxed mids, but one that also isn't too bright or crispy up top. Most edge-terminated mics I've tried have the forgiving mids part, but they are too bright and sibilant on me. Granted, I haven't tried any really great edge-terminated C12/251 style mics. Mostly been cheaper things. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Jan 10, 2024 2:55:49 GMT -6
Yes this is the first CK12 capsule I felt that had the authenticity of the real thing. Most are glassy and sibilant or too dull up top and flabby in the low mids. mics Ben has really nailed it with his interpretation of the AKG and it feels balanced. There are some other good makers but they don’t sell directly to the customers and most aren’t as good. |
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Post by drbill on Jan 10, 2024 10:55:38 GMT -6
Yes this is the first CK12 capsule I felt that had the authenticity of the real thing.. Had a chance to try the 12a's on Overs yet Paul? |
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Post by ragan on Jan 10, 2024 10:56:11 GMT -6
Anyone know the lay of the land as far as return policy on Beezneez mics? I’m pretty interested in the BC12a, but wouldn’t know if it’s a good fit until I got it in my studio obviously.
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Post by seawell on Jan 10, 2024 11:06:48 GMT -6
Anyone know the lay of the land as far as return policy on Beezneez mics? I’m pretty interested in the BC12a, but wouldn’t know if it’s a good fit until I got it in my studio obviously. Looks like a 20% restocking fee and shipping expenses if I'm reading it correctly. |
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Post by ragan on Jan 10, 2024 11:20:15 GMT -6
Thanks Josh. I wasn’t finding that info when looking around the site for some reason.
20% restocking fee certainly gives one pause about the purchase, but I get it. They probably don’t want to be dealing with the churn that less painful returns might bring.
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Post by drbill on Jan 10, 2024 12:14:42 GMT -6
Thanks Josh. I wasn’t finding that info when looking around the site for some reason. 20% restocking fee certainly gives one pause about the purchase, but I get it. They probably don’t want to be dealing with the churn that less painful returns might bring. I'm sure they would have to sell it as B-stock, and take a loss if they didn't have a restocking fee. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Jan 10, 2024 13:34:52 GMT -6
Yes this is the first CK12 capsule I felt that had the authenticity of the real thing.. Had a chance to try the 12a's on Overs yet Paul? Not yet but I can’t wait to use them with my Periscopes which rock. |
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Post by chessparov on Jan 10, 2024 14:06:21 GMT -6
Am very much looking forward to trying the C12's of Ben's at NAMM relatively shortly. (Along with his other ones not tried yet) Am planning to get one of the FET's under $600 US on order. To put up. For quick and easy VO...* As I medically/financially recover. Within around 30 days of the upcoming Event. Probably am leaning towards his 47 Capsuled FET's BTW. But the 87/414-ish Isobel, sounds cool on the female vocalist too.  Of course if I hit my winning Lottery numbers... Might pick out a couple more.  Along with a couple of Ribbons after. Can't make fun of Guitarists with their 10,000 pedals/guitars any more. LOL! Chris *I do most all any recording, on a day when I'm traveling around locally working. |
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Post by drbill on Jan 10, 2024 16:04:22 GMT -6
Am very much looking forward to trying the C12's of Ben's at NAMM relatively shortly. (Along with his other ones not tried yet). Definitely interested in your take between the 12's and 12a's Chris... |
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Post by chessparov on Jan 10, 2024 16:17:04 GMT -6
Wow! That's quite flattering! I appreciate the Vote of Confidence. When I first hear "C12" nowadays... Honestly, my first thought is Eric Burdon's incredible Baritone vocal on... Down In Monterrey. There's actual footage of him cutting it, in the Studio, on YouTube!! Chris P.S. I wish I were a better judge on 2nd/3rd Harmonics. Tube vs. FET. |
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Post by drumsound on Jan 10, 2024 19:48:39 GMT -6
Yes this is the first CK12 capsule I felt that had the authenticity of the real thing. Most are glassy and sibilant or too dull up top and flabby in the low mids. mics Ben has really nailed it with his interpretation of the AKG and it feels balanced. There are some other good makers but they don’t sell directly to the customers and most aren’t as good. Hey Paul, prior to these you've said you thought the Austrian Audio capsule was a good representation of CK12s. Now that you've had the BeesNees how do you thing the AA and the BN compare? Am very much looking forward to trying the C12's of Ben's at NAMM relatively shortly. (Along with his other ones not tried yet). Definitely interested in your take between the 12's and 12a's Chris... Same |
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Post by chessparov on Jan 11, 2024 16:47:01 GMT -6
Thanks! Will re-listen to famous examples, of known instances of the C12 being used for reference. (Maybe even 251, if enough time) Am most familiar with 47/67/87 on tons of records I've listened to. (Not quite as much with newer/slightly brighter 87ai ) Chris |
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Post by mics on Jan 11, 2024 16:59:02 GMT -6
Hi guys.
Sorry about the re-stocking fee but it really just removes the possibility of the mic being used for a track and then being returned at no charge. We had a few instances of this happening and we needed to mitigate it somehow. Once the mic is returned, we need to sell it as used because it isn’t new anymore.
We are very confident that our mics will pass any test. If a mic wasn’t right for one of you guys; just reach out and let me know. I’m sure we could sort something out.
As far as rough listening goes (and I emphasise the word rough) we will have most mics plugged in and ready to hear at NaMM.
Thanks guys for your continued help and kindness.
Ben
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Post by paulcheeba on Jan 11, 2024 17:08:32 GMT -6
drumsound the BN is my favourite now but the Austrian Audios are extremely useful.
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Post by drumsound on Jan 11, 2024 23:06:25 GMT -6
drumsound the BN is my favourite now but the Austrian Audios are extremely useful. Thanks, Paul. |
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Post by ragan on Jan 12, 2024 1:16:27 GMT -6
Hi guys. Sorry about the re-stocking fee but it really just removes the possibility of the mic being used for a track and then being returned at no charge. We had a few instances of this happening and we needed to mitigate it somehow. Once the mic is returned, we need to sell it as used because it isn’t new anymore. We are very confident that our mics will pass any test. If a mic wasn’t right for one of you guys; just reach out and let me know. I’m sure we could sort something out. As far as rough listening goes (and I emphasise the word rough) we will have most mics plugged in and ready to hear at NaMM. Thanks guys for your continued help and kindness. Ben Totally understand. I am already sure it’s a nice mic, the issue would be whether it’s a good fit for me, which I couldn’t know until I tried it. Do you have any US-based dealers that have demo mics? |
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Post by mics on Jan 12, 2024 6:09:40 GMT -6
Hi guys. Sorry about the re-stocking fee but it really just removes the possibility of the mic being used for a track and then being returned at no charge. We had a few instances of this happening and we needed to mitigate it somehow. Once the mic is returned, we need to sell it as used because it isn’t new anymore. We are very confident that our mics will pass any test. If a mic wasn’t right for one of you guys; just reach out and let me know. I’m sure we could sort something out. As far as rough listening goes (and I emphasise the word rough) we will have most mics plugged in and ready to hear at NaMM. Thanks guys for your continued help and kindness. Ben Totally understand. I am already sure it’s a nice mic, the issue would be whether it’s a good fit for me, which I couldn’t know until I tried it. Do you have any US-based dealers that have demo mics? Wind over the earth. |
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