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Post by bgrotto on Dec 27, 2023 18:16:32 GMT -6
I like gold clip a lot too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2023 22:30:31 GMT -6
Do I even need one, this is new territory for me. I know of Black Salt, Venn, which has a freebie and a full featured one, bx, and standard clip by Sir. I am sure there are others. Cheers, Geoff
Its trying to do what people do physically with integrating a clip into an ADC that destroyed CD mastering with the loudness war.
So at 0dbfs recorded ends up being +6 dbfs after the dac.
I think it really changes the feel of the mix IMHO.
T-racks had one for years.
Yes the Lavry Soft Saturation  Apogee Soft Limit has a different curve and was an analog unlike the Lavry. Prism Overkiller is just passive diodes. |
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Post by audiospecific on Dec 27, 2023 22:46:14 GMT -6
Leave it to mastering. (The Massey one sounds good to my ear, AND it’s really easy to overlook this effect).
+1 I rather hire Massive because he has done it so well for me in the past, and have the second set of ears in another environment to help bring the song to life.
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 28, 2023 3:26:33 GMT -6
Clipper I use the most is Flatline.
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Post by EmRR on Dec 28, 2023 10:51:09 GMT -6
Not all-purpose, but how do people feel about RX10 Loudness Control? Def has a sound, now that I’ve played with it i have a pretty good guess which masters I get back have it in the chain.
I have Stillwell Event Horizon but haven’t used it in years, don’t find an analog VU GUI useful in this realm. Fell back to the DP masterworks limiter for light duty brick wall in mixing, fastest release and 1mS look ahead. Haven’t felt the need to use anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2023 14:29:29 GMT -6
Not all-purpose, but how do people feel about RX10 Loudness Control? Def has a sound, now that I’ve played with it i have a pretty good guess which masters I get back have it in the chain. I have Stillwell Event Horizon but haven’t used it in years, don’t find an analog VU GUI useful in this realm. Fell back to the DP masterworks limiter for light duty brick wall in mixing, fastest release and 1mS look ahead. Haven’t felt the need to use anything else. I used to use event horizon back in the day to control transients that the oldschool limiters couldn't. I couldn't afford oxford limiter or xenon and it was built into reaper. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2023 15:20:16 GMT -6
That's a very interesting take, Dan. I tend to trust my ears with my gear, though, and gold clip sounds amazing. I am not worried about updates being an issue. Ryan is very successful, I follow him on IG and he always has industry mastering work coming in. According to him, that's how he financed his dream, to create a great plugin. I also loved on the purple site thread how he updated the plugin based on feedback he got from the site. He also has two other plugins in the works, and he is a phenomenal mastering engineer to say the least. I don't think there's much to worry about on that end, whether or not he is coding it himself, and don't understand such harsh criticisms against it. There are plenty of plugin companies that start that exact way. It's just a plugin that does everything you need it to, and amazingly well at that. It's basically, either you can afford 20-25 a month for 10 months, or 200-250 in one sale, or you can't. If you can't afford it, don't bother demoing. As far as the gold function goes, Ryan says it is tied to the clipper algo. I don't know the details of how it works, but as I said, I usually don't stick with a clipper this long. Every other clipper I've tried always ends up getting bypassed on export. Not the case with gold clip. Software engineers are paid more than mastering engineers. Many non-programmers who successfully manufacture hardware have tried at contracted out programming for plugins. Most of them have problems keeping their plugins running stably on current computers. Even Kush Audio and Empirical Labs.
I have paid far more than 250 dollars for audio software. I bought several of the Sonnox Oxford plugins not on sale, the Massenburg plugins, and the Sound Radix bundle. The Sony Oxford Six Pack and Waves Renaissance Maxx cost over a thousand dollars when released and I could never afford them at their release prices but they're 20 years old and contain processors far more complex than a linear phase filter, wave shaper, and high frequency limiter with distortion prevention techniques that still make them sound okay today.
You want a great processor that does more than any overpriced hardware emulation? www.proaudiodsp.com/ and it is maintained by a major plugin developer. Not one you call up on the phone like Waves and McDSP or get a personal response from the developers over email but it is maintained. Crazy analog emulated distortion algorithms? Goodhertz Tupe and the LTL Silver Bullet plugin sound awesome and have less artifacts than Gold Clip. They're just not emulation or recreations of primitive digital processing used to butcher late 90s and early 2000s CD masters from back when CDs still sold and sounded like shit. |
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Post by Tbone81 on Dec 28, 2023 15:20:30 GMT -6
I’d say any clipper plug-in that tames peaks without you hearing it working is a good one…unfortunately I can’t actually recommend one because I use HW inserts to achieve the same thing. What are you using? Cheers, Geoff I'm using CAPI vp28's, AML 1073's, and a Sebatron vmp 4000 (4 channels). I think the vp28's offer cleaner sounding clipping than the 1073's. The Sebatrons breakup in an entirely different way than either the CAPI or AML stuff, as you'd expect from a tube pre. |
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Post by geoff738 on Dec 28, 2023 15:28:57 GMT -6
What are you using? Cheers, Geoff I'm using CAPI vp28's, AML 1073's, and a Sebatron vmp 4000 (4 channels). I think the vp28's offer cleaner sounding clipping than the 1073's. The Sebatrons breakup in an entirely different way than either the CAPI or AML stuff, as you'd expect from a tube pre. And you’re driving them a bit? I don’t have stereo pairs of stuff that would work in this application. Cheers, Geoff |
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Post by EmRR on Dec 28, 2023 16:25:33 GMT -6
What are you using? Cheers, Geoff I'm using CAPI vp28's, AML 1073's, and a Sebatron vmp 4000 (4 channels). I think the vp28's offer cleaner sounding clipping than the 1073's. The Sebatrons breakup in an entirely different way than either the CAPI or AML stuff, as you'd expect from a tube pre. Hmm....I consider that a lot more than a clipper, that's a full on distorter by the time it's a clipper, no? You gotta be railing those things before you get clipping. |
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Post by notneeson on Dec 28, 2023 16:31:16 GMT -6
Before I got my Silver Bullet I was using a pair of TNC ACMP 73s to shave peaks and thicken up the mix a tad. Crazy how good that box is for that, actually better than the Phoenix DRS, which doesn’t have input transformers. Or at least, better for my purposes.
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Post by jwitb on Dec 31, 2023 21:43:43 GMT -6
I was a standardclip user but now im more in love with V Clip, love the way to shape the knee
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Post by andersmv on Jan 1, 2024 7:50:48 GMT -6
Acustica Fire The Clip is all I use for the master bus now. Really quick/hassle free and transparent. It’s not that expensive either. I started off with StandardClip, it’s another great one and really lets you fine tune and problem solve. I still use it on individual sources every once in a while to get rid of a rogue peak or transient in a drum or something. It’s just way too complex for my needs, I found I didn’t need that level of control in the situations I was using a clipper.
I’ve also been using the Apogee Soft Limit a lot, it’s more colorful to my ears but works amazingly on drums and other individual instances where some peaks have gotten out of control. I’ve grown to love it a lot more this year, and it was free when I got it.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 8, 2024 12:25:41 GMT -6
Leave it to mastering. (The Massey one sounds good to my ear, AND it’s really easy to overlook this effect). Well, if you're doing your own mastering most of the time... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 8, 2024 12:45:11 GMT -6
Acustica Fire The Clip is all I use for the master bus now. Really quick/hassle free and transparent. It’s not that expensive either. I started off with StandardClip, it’s another great one and really lets you fine tune and problem solve. I still use it on individual sources every once in a while to get rid of a rogue peak or transient in a drum or something. It’s just way too complex for my needs, I found I didn’t need that level of control in the situations I was using a clipper. I’ve also been using the Apogee Soft Limit a lot, it’s more colorful to my ears but works amazingly on drums and other individual instances where some peaks have gotten out of control. I’ve grown to love it a lot more this year, and it was free when I got it. Yeah that's the one I'm gravitating to at the moment. About to compare to Gold Clip, Firetheclip, Ash and Kazrog |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 8, 2024 13:53:06 GMT -6
Tried Kazrog, and gold clip...preferred Ash. Instant buy!
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 8, 2024 13:54:21 GMT -6
Just to add. I never used clippers really. But holy crap this is an improvement.
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Post by ragan on Feb 8, 2024 14:04:54 GMT -6
I never used to use them before either, but am really liking using the Black Salt Clipper these days.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 8, 2024 14:18:20 GMT -6
damn...missed that one. All of the ones I tried sounded really good. Kazrog was cool because you could switch from tape to tube to normal, etc. It's like $40 so I might buy that just to maybe use on the drumbus. Although - not sure using a clipper on a buss is smart in the long run.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 8, 2024 14:50:50 GMT -6
Weird...used Ash and had a mix hitting around -6 ish LUFS. I know that's loud as shit, but it's pretty much what's on itunes (even hotter)...then I go back to my first mix without the clipper - using Ozone limiter and Stealth in serial...and even though I hadn't pushed it that hot, I swear, it's brighter and sounds as loud or louder. The one with Ash sounds better with less artifact stuff going on - I was just surprised...expected the one with the Clipper to be noticeably louder.
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Post by notneeson on Feb 8, 2024 20:56:51 GMT -6
Leave it to mastering. (The Massey one sounds good to my ear, AND it’s really easy to overlook this effect). Well, if you're doing your own mastering most of the time... Yeah, for sure. Although I also don’t chase commercial loudness if I’m mastering, they’re not paying me extra so I’m sticking to my “loud ref” comfort zone. |
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Post by tkaitkai on Feb 8, 2024 22:48:34 GMT -6
Weird...used Ash and had a mix hitting around -6 ish LUFS. I know that's loud as shit, but it's pretty much what's on itunes (even hotter)...then I go back to my first mix without the clipper - using Ozone limiter and Stealth in serial...and even though I hadn't pushed it that hot, I swear, it's brighter and sounds as loud or louder. The one with Ash sounds better with less artifact stuff going on - I was just surprised...expected the one with the Clipper to be noticeably louder. Not sure if this is relevant to your situation, but I find certain mixes (usually my best ones) respond well to both clipping and limiting, and they just sound loud no matter what. I love it when that happens, but sometimes I need something to hit -6dB RMS and limiters just totally crap out. Probably means my mix needs work, but sometimes I’m just lazy and a clipper solves my problems. |
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Post by chessparov on Feb 9, 2024 11:50:20 GMT -6
Leave it to mastering. (The Massey one sounds good to my ear, AND it’s really easy to overlook this effect). Thanks guys. Great advice for someone like me!  Chris |
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Post by chessparov on Feb 9, 2024 11:52:00 GMT -6
Clipper I use the most is Flatline. What a great straight line. (But I'll try to be good) -6 is loud? Uh oh. That's been my default on volume. Guessing-8 is better. Pre-Mastering? Thanks, Chris |
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Post by sean on Feb 10, 2024 22:33:12 GMT -6
Damn…I don’t think I’ve ever got a mix to have an RMS above -12…
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