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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 5, 2023 13:57:12 GMT -6
I am good enough, smart enough and doggonnit, people like me. I do not need more gear to make me better. No transformer will make me sound like Dark Side Of The Moon.
Ok...I'm done. GAS controlled for the moment.
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Post by ericn on Dec 5, 2023 14:03:58 GMT -6
The pre performance prayer of Sound and light; Help, please, thank you.
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Post by Quint on Dec 5, 2023 14:07:48 GMT -6
Does a new piece of gear count as "more" gear if you know you will ultimately turn around and sell it? x + 1 - 1 = x I'd say the math is backing you up here. You should be good to make a purchase.
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Post by viciousbliss on Dec 5, 2023 19:29:53 GMT -6
More gear or plugins can actually make things worse. Some things have a lot of capability, but also a high learning curve. Stuff like Unisum, Weiss, Vertigo VSMs. There's that comparison of the Serban ITB mix vs one done with hardware. Weezer I think it was. The Serban mix lacks the fullness type quality you get with good hardware, but the hardware mix goes way out of balance at times. The bass just seems to disappear in the chorus if I recall. First time I heard it was last night. I've made my ITB mixes sound worse when first learning a piece of hardware. Going through that over and over doesn't appeal to me. What I've been able to do by dipping into hardware is get an understanding of what is possible to do with an ITB mix once you have a chance to treat it with hardware. Like I said in another thread, various pieces of high-end hardware across a finished mix can't recreate the effect of having Satin all over everything.
This Black Friday season I didn't buy anything. I've been finding it much more productive to just work with what I have or have access to. One of these days I'd love to see what I could come up with using a console and hardware on a mix instead of Pro Tools, but that's not a viable idea. Probably what I'll do is build a better computer. Maybe try this new Console 1. Access Analog will eventually have stuff like a Curve Bender. They keep adding. It'll inevitably make more sense to just pay them $100 a month than to worry about more hardware. The sound of the Portico II is something I find highly satisfying and their cheaper subscriptions allow unlimited use of their two. That's the one hardware piece I've tried that I feel can most dramatically enhance an ITB mix on its own. I've not tried their Master Buss Transformer yet though. Just using dither as people on here have suggested is a major enhancement. Or using Basslane Pro to convert frequencies to mono. There's usually something new you can discover to maximize ITB mix quality before going into hardware.
I do think a lot of the desire to own new hardware and plugins stems from not knowing what things are capable of. That's how it is for me anyway. At this point, I think I have a pretty good idea of what a plugin or hardware piece will do for me and what the limitations of working with digital audio are. It's probably not possible to 100% recreate the sound of a lot of classics made before the DAW even if you have all the best hardware. But the hope is always that someone will invent a real gamechanger. I'm just not sure that anything tons better than what we already have can be invented using current technology.
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Post by reddirt on Dec 5, 2023 19:34:12 GMT -6
I like your thinking John Cheers, Ross
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Dec 5, 2023 19:50:57 GMT -6
Unloading gear from my last room into the new Hedback room and thinking along the same line as Mr. Smalley. (God, what a genius he was. Gone way too soon.) Have five units still in boxes that I'm not sure I really need that are going in the storage closet for now.
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Post by mcirish on Dec 5, 2023 21:57:29 GMT -6
I fell for it big time this last year. I wouldn't want to brag about how much I spent because in many ways I'm pretty ashamed. If I only had "X" everyone would like my mixes or productions. I passed the point of "needing" gear a very long time ago.
I think a little of it comes from working alone so much. It gives me way too much time to think about what could help my productions and sooner than later, I'm looking to buy it. It gets to be an obsession. Another $2000 mic isn't going to make singers I work with sound any better. Many are really good, but I already had a lot of mics that work on them. But you always wonder if you can improve it. I have to get my act together. I can't keep spending at this pace. Sellers love me but I'm not so sure my wife is crazy about my purchases.
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Post by bgrotto on Dec 5, 2023 22:04:07 GMT -6
I was having a moment today (er, and yesterday..and the day before...been a grumpy week). Anywho, been working on an album mix, and I realized that how I perceive my mixes depends largely on my mood. If I'm grumpy, I really hate everything I do. Once I chill out a bit, things actually can sound sort of OK. And when my mood is happy, I am a damned mix genius. Haha. For better or worse...
I need to remember all that...
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Post by Ward on Dec 6, 2023 9:49:57 GMT -6
More gear or plugins can actually make things worse. SNIP True. And just because you have tons of gear doesn't mean you need to use it all at once. Acquire slowly and learn to use each piece of gear thoroughly! There are many great multi-purpose pieces of kit . As a starting point . . . Snare mic = guitar amp mic Tom preamps = guitar amp preamps Kick mic = voice-over mic Snare 76s = vocal 76s Just 4 examples out of hundreds.
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 6, 2023 9:59:18 GMT -6
I am good enough, smart enough and doggonnit, people like me. I do not need more gear to make me better. No transformer will make me sound like Dark Side Of The Moon. Ok...I'm done. GAS controlled for the moment. More and more people recently seem to be coming to this conclusion. There are reasons. With not much money floating about in the industry, $3000 for a tube "thingy" is very hard to justify - nigh on impossible. Computers are so flippin' fast these days - they last 10 to 15 years!! Even buget gear has got amazing - I can't beleive how fantastic the Audioscape LA2A clone is for the $750 I payed for it .... amazing! And finally, how many plugins can a man eat! How many f**king Toontrack SDX Drum kits, Bass libraries and Piano libraries, Organ libraries, String libraries, Soft Synths do we need! They only keep making them becasue they want more of our MONEY! .... not coz the world needs them. If I see another EQ, Compressor, Saturator, Reverb or delay PLUGIN .... I'll scweem .... scweem, scweem and scweem .... full Diva meltdown - enough already!!!! John - I too am done. Yes, I've stopped at a nice place - but I have stopped!
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Post by theshea on Dec 6, 2023 10:58:53 GMT -6
i did not buy one plugin on the latest sales. i have all i need and more. i re-did my mixing template on my new used M1 today and while i put in a lot of plugins, a lot of plugins i DID NOT put in. i always use the same. the ones i learned and know. but than i guess i am different, i don‘t have that many plugins when comparing to others. i have never bought „nobrainers“ just because there was a cheap sale. i always bought a plugin if i need one. i have not many doubles (only one 1176, only one la2a, only 2 tape plugins, only 2 channelstrips). and its fine. i have noticed all these plugin hunting is only taking time away from my main talent: i am a songwriter. and i can control my gas quiete well.
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Post by notneeson on Dec 6, 2023 11:11:30 GMT -6
i did not buy one plugin on the latest sales. i have all i need and more. i re-did my mixing template on my new used M1 today and while i put in a lot of plugins, a lot of plugins i DID NOT put in. i always use the same. the ones i learned and know. but than i guess i am different, i don‘t have that many plugins when comparing to others. i have never bought „nobrainers“ just because there was a cheap sale. i always bought a plugin if i need one. i have not many doubles (only one 1176, only one la2a, only 2 tape plugins, only 2 channelstrips). and its fine. i have noticed all these plugin hunting is only taking time away from my main talent: i am a songwriter. and i can control my gas quiete well. I can totally get behind this. The one area where variety does seem to serve me well is in time based effects and virtual instruments. The more “special sauce” plugins that can be wild cards in terms of really creating a vibe.
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Post by notneeson on Dec 6, 2023 11:12:58 GMT -6
i did not buy one plugin on the latest sales. i have all i need and more. i re-did my mixing template on my new used M1 today and while i put in a lot of plugins, a lot of plugins i DID NOT put in. i always use the same. the ones i learned and know. but than i guess i am different, i don‘t have that many plugins when comparing to others. i have never bought „nobrainers“ just because there was a cheap sale. i always bought a plugin if i need one. i have not many doubles (only one 1176, only one la2a, only 2 tape plugins, only 2 channelstrips). and its fine. i have noticed all these plugin hunting is only taking time away from my main talent: i am a songwriter. and i can control my gas quiete well. I can totally get behind this. The one area where variety does seem to serve me well is in time based effects and virtual instruments. The more “special sauce” plugins that can be wild cards in terms of really creating a vibe. Changing up the reverb, delay, modulation etc. can really crack a song open for me at times. Switching the compressor or EQ, not so much. Oops, fat fingered “quote” instead of “edit.”
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Post by copperx on Dec 6, 2023 11:53:12 GMT -6
"IT'S ALL ABOUT FREQUENCY RESPONSE, AND EVERYTHING IS EQ" is a phrase that I used to say 20 years ago to myself to cope with the fact that I could only afford $100 microphones (and what junk they were!).
Little did I know that the magic lives in the time domain.
So, yeah, living is easy with ears closed.
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Post by copperx on Dec 6, 2023 12:04:53 GMT -6
Access Analog will eventually have stuff like a Curve Bender. They keep adding. It'll inevitably make more sense to just pay them $100 Hahaha, I wish. Access Analog is the reason I started buying hardware. It opened my eyes to the sound of tube hardware, and I wanted to be a able to experiment without being on the clock. And, unless you're mixing a singer-songwriter or only treating the final mix, AA is a pain in the ass. Hardware is also a pain, but not being on the clock is a huge help.
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Post by ericn on Dec 6, 2023 13:30:12 GMT -6
i did not buy one plugin on the latest sales. i have all i need and more. i re-did my mixing template on my new used M1 today and while i put in a lot of plugins, a lot of plugins i DID NOT put in. i always use the same. the ones i learned and know. but than i guess i am different, i don‘t have that many plugins when comparing to others. i have never bought „nobrainers“ just because there was a cheap sale. i always bought a plugin if i need one. i have not many doubles (only one 1176, only one la2a, only 2 tape plugins, only 2 channelstrips). and its fine. i have noticed all these plugin hunting is only taking time away from my main talent: i am a songwriter. and i can control my gas quiete well. I can totally get behind this. The one area where variety does seem to serve me well is in time based effects and virtual instruments. The more “special sauce” plugins that can be wild cards in terms of really creating a vibe. I’m going to disagree, the area where variety makes the biggest difference is mics. Being able to grab something different when your first choice doesn’t quite fit can do more than anything else.
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Post by viciousbliss on Dec 6, 2023 13:58:39 GMT -6
Access Analog will eventually have stuff like a Curve Bender. They keep adding. It'll inevitably make more sense to just pay them $100 Hahaha, I wish. Access Analog is the reason I started buying hardware. It opened my eyes to the sound of tube hardware, and I wanted to be a able to experiment without being on the clock. And, unless you're mixing a singer-songwriter or only treating the final mix, AA is a pain in the ass. Hardware is also a pain, but not being on the clock is a huge help. I agree with you. I've just tried to use the least amount of hardware possible. Eventually computer tech will make hardware basically obsolete. Could be sooner than we think. Right now I'm looking at maybe a Dangerous 2Bus+ to use at the mixing stage and that will be it unless I feel like I'm dying for a hardware eq. But the PQ plugin is so close that I'm not sure I can justify spending thousands on an eq. AA is good if you buy an unlimited plan. The Porticos were usually available most of the day.
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Post by ericn on Dec 6, 2023 16:22:58 GMT -6
Hahaha, I wish. Access Analog is the reason I started buying hardware. It opened my eyes to the sound of tube hardware, and I wanted to be an able to experiment without being on the clock. And, unless you're mixing a singer-songwriter or only treating the final mix, AA is a pain in the ass. Hardware is also a pain, but not being on the clock is a huge help. I agree with you. I've just tried to use the least amount of hardware possible. Eventually computer tech will make hardware basically obsolete. Could be sooner than we think. Right now I'm looking at maybe a Dangerous 2Bus+ to use at the mixing stage and that will be it unless I feel like I'm dying for a hardware eq. But the PQ plugin is so close that I'm not sure I can justify spending thousands on an eq. AA is good if you buy an unlimited plan. The Porticos were usually available most of the day. Man I have heard that for almost 35 years! Still Hardware has its place.
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Post by notneeson on Dec 6, 2023 16:46:45 GMT -6
I can totally get behind this. The one area where variety does seem to serve me well is in time based effects and virtual instruments. The more “special sauce” plugins that can be wild cards in terms of really creating a vibe. I’m going to disagree, the area where variety makes the biggest difference is mics. Being able to grab something different when your first choice doesn’t quite fit can do more than anything else. 100%. That and rooms. Oh, and whatever you're recording. Context got lost in the quotes, but in this instance I was responding to the fewer plugins is better thesis.
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Post by chessparov on Dec 6, 2023 16:59:55 GMT -6
I agree with you. I've just tried to use the least amount of hardware possible. Eventually computer tech will make hardware basically obsolete. Could be sooner than we think. Right now I'm looking at maybe a Dangerous 2Bus+ to use at the mixing stage and that will be it unless I feel like I'm dying for a hardware eq. But the PQ plugin is so close that I'm not sure I can justify spending thousands on an eq. AA is good if you buy an unlimited plan. The Porticos were usually available most of the day. Man I have heard that for almost 35 years! Still Hardware has its place. Yep. Either at Paul G's/Dr. Bill's/or Ward's place. Maybe all of them-on rotation. Kinda like them ancient Egyptian Mummy artifacts. Chris
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Post by copperx on Dec 6, 2023 17:05:56 GMT -6
i did not buy one plugin on the latest sales. i have all i need and more. i re-did my mixing template on my new used M1 today and while i put in a lot of plugins, a lot of plugins i DID NOT put in. i always use the same. the ones i learned and know. but than i guess i am different, i don‘t have that many plugins when comparing to others. i have never bought „nobrainers“ just because there was a cheap sale. i always bought a plugin if i need one. i have not many doubles (only one 1176, only one la2a, only 2 tape plugins, only 2 channelstrips). and its fine. i have noticed all these plugin hunting is only taking time away from my main talent: i am a songwriter. and i can control my gas quiete well. I can totally get behind this. The one area where variety does seem to serve me well is in time based effects and virtual instruments. The more “special sauce” plugins that can be wild cards in terms of really creating a vibe.
1000% This is the only place where I would advocate having variety of plugins. One should stock up on delays, reverbs, and cool effects like the Eventide suite (although I would give up all the dozens of plugin time-based effects in exchange for an Eventide H3000 in a heartbeat).
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Post by copperx on Dec 6, 2023 17:17:41 GMT -6
The argument that hardware is obsolete has been circulating for the past two decades. This is partially true, as many new music genres have embraced fully digital, ITB mixing workflows. However, for those who appreciate the unique qualities of analog processing, such as its inherent distortion, noise, etc., it's important to remember the limitations of digital technology.
The Nyquist theorem states that a digital system cannot perfectly capture all the nuances of a complex analog signal. This means that any digital representation of an analog process will always be an approximation, never an exact replica.
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Post by wiz on Dec 6, 2023 18:28:51 GMT -6
You don't need expensive hardware to earn 72 cents on Spotify
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Post by gwlee7 on Dec 6, 2023 18:37:04 GMT -6
You don't need expensive hardware to earn 72 cents on Spotify You’ve earned 75 cents??!!
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 6, 2023 19:21:18 GMT -6
You don't need expensive hardware to earn 72 cents on Spotify You’ve earned 75 cents??!! no, 72.
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