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Post by drumsound on Sept 28, 2023 17:04:23 GMT -6
Yeah I like Softube Tape and Transient Designer a lot. I’ve been moving away from DSP and toward more analog processing, and don’t see that trend changing. But this does look pretty cool and fun. I've always been super intrigued by the Console 1 concept, and I would love to move off of the computer screen and back to a more hands-on workflow. I just haven't been a huge fan of Softube's channelstrips when I've listened to comparisons. If I were actually going to commit to a system like this, I would need to have 100% faith in the EQ and ideally the compressor, too -- and Softube just hasn't really won me over. Would very much like to be wrong with regard to their emulations, so I'm happy to be shown that I am. Anyone? Other opinions? I haven't spent much time with Softtube stuff. This is interesting. I've always been super intrigued by the Console 1 concept, and I would love to move off of the computer screen and back to a more hands-on workflow. I just haven't been a huge fan of Softube's channelstrips when I've listened to comparisons. If I were actually going to commit to a system like this, I would need to have 100% faith in the EQ and ideally the compressor, too -- and Softube just hasn't really won me over. Would very much like to be wrong with regard to their emulations, so I'm happy to be shown that I am. Anyone? Other opinions? This is where softube did something smart, they got UAD to make most of their plugins compatible. I’m not sure if the Native Stuff is compatible yet but most of the DSP plugins are. At least you have a choice! I was thinking about that, too. I've always been super intrigued by the Console 1 concept, and I would love to move off of the computer screen and back to a more hands-on workflow. I just haven't been a huge fan of Softube's channelstrips when I've listened to comparisons. If I were actually going to commit to a system like this, I would need to have 100% faith in the EQ and ideally the compressor, too -- and Softube just hasn't really won me over. Would very much like to be wrong with regard to their emulations, so I'm happy to be shown that I am. Anyone? Other opinions? I'll keep saying it. Rocksolid Audio. Check it out. rocksolidaudio.co.uk/Then you can use this with whatever plugins you want. To be fair, even the Rocksolid Audio stuff is not perfect, and may not work for everyone's needs, but it's worth checking out. I'm liking it so far, and it's working for my needs, in a plugin agnostic way. There's also Mulligan. I need to get a windows setup thing to use it. |
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Post by ericn on Sept 28, 2023 17:31:42 GMT -6
This is where softube did something smart, they got UAD to make most of their plugins compatible. I’m not sure if the Native Stuff is compatible yet but most of the DSP plugins are. At least you have a choice! But--and I could be totally wrong here--I thought the whole channelstrip layout (which is what is supposed to help you get off of your DAW) is tied to the Softube emulations (SSL 4k, Nevesomething, API, SSL 9k). Is that not true? I know you can bring certain UAD plugins into the chain as external effects, but the whole channelstrip GUI "thang" is--or so I thought--limited to Softube. True? Not true? Also, I finally bought my first UAD plugin a couple weeks back. Native. Unless the native versions start being integrated into Console 1, there's no chance for me on that front. This version indeed seams aimed at the ch strips, but considering that all the prior versions have really integrated the individual plugins I have to believe we will see even better integration in the future. Designing a controller strictly for ch strips sure would limit your market. I do hope UAD see’s the advantages of porting the native plugins to console 1. One of the biggest advantages would be they wouldn’t have the pressure to develop a UAD controller. |
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Post by ragan on Sept 28, 2023 21:42:44 GMT -6
If Luna matured and they introduced a well thought out controller, UA would have a pretty compelling ecosystem. I mean, they already do have that in relative terms. But Luna getting Big Boy features combined with a slick controller could help grow that.
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Post by Quint on Sept 29, 2023 9:43:19 GMT -6
I've always been super intrigued by the Console 1 concept, and I would love to move off of the computer screen and back to a more hands-on workflow. I just haven't been a huge fan of Softube's channelstrips when I've listened to comparisons. If I were actually going to commit to a system like this, I would need to have 100% faith in the EQ and ideally the compressor, too -- and Softube just hasn't really won me over. Would very much like to be wrong with regard to their emulations, so I'm happy to be shown that I am. Anyone? Other opinions? I haven't spent much time with Softtube stuff. This is interesting. This is where softube did something smart, they got UAD to make most of their plugins compatible. I’m not sure if the Native Stuff is compatible yet but most of the DSP plugins are. At least you have a choice! I was thinking about that, too. I'll keep saying it. Rocksolid Audio. Check it out. rocksolidaudio.co.uk/Then you can use this with whatever plugins you want. To be fair, even the Rocksolid Audio stuff is not perfect, and may not work for everyone's needs, but it's worth checking out. I'm liking it so far, and it's working for my needs, in a plugin agnostic way. There's also Mulligan. I need to get a windows setup thing to use it. You could also use Bluecat Patchwork to host it on a Mac. |
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Post by drumsound on Sept 29, 2023 15:32:36 GMT -6
I haven't spent much time with Softtube stuff. This is interesting. I was thinking about that, too. There's also Mulligan. I need to get a windows setup thing to use it. You could also use Bluecat Patchwork to host it on a Mac. I actually bought a Bhringer deal, but it's setup is only Windows. I keep forgetting to use my partner's laptop to change one of it's setups to work right with Mulligan. |
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Post by theshea on Oct 1, 2023 1:22:48 GMT -6
I'll keep saying it. Rocksolid Audio. Check it out. rocksolidaudio.co.uk/Then you can use this with whatever plugins you want. What is this witchery?! Never heard of it - thanks for mentioning it, Quint! Do you have one (or more) of these things? If so, you like it/them? i won the rocksolid micro 4k at a giveaway. its the one with the ssl channelstrip layout. it works for a lot of plugs and has the mentioned different modes as mouse mode, host mode. but … it‘s buggy as hell with logic. a year ago they said to work on it but no resuslts yet. as i understnd its a one guy business. it seems to work way better on other DAW‘s but i can‘t confirm as i only use logic and i gave up using it. it gives problems when i open the plugin on my second external screen: unusable. i am waiting for the logic update … than i can give my final jugdement. check for yourself: rocksolidaudio.co.uk/prices are good, support also. |
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Post by Quint on Oct 1, 2023 10:42:42 GMT -6
What is this witchery?! Never heard of it - thanks for mentioning it, Quint! Do you have one (or more) of these things? If so, you like it/them? i won the rocksolid micro 4k at a giveaway. its the one with the ssl channelstrip layout. it works for a lot of plugs and has the mentioned different modes as mouse mode, host mode. but … it‘s buggy as hell with logic. a year ago they said to work on it but no resuslts yet. as i understnd its a one guy business. it seems to work way better on other DAW‘s but i can‘t confirm as i only use logic and i gave up using it. it gives problems when i open the plugin on my second external screen: unusable. i am waiting for the logic update … than i can give my final jugdement. check for yourself: rocksolidaudio.co.uk/prices are good, support also. Yeah, for Logic specifically, I've read that Logic can't handle VST3 plugins very well (or at all) at this time, and Rocksolid hasn't released an AU version of their plugin yet, so it's VST3 or nothing right now. So that may mean that Rocksolid is maybe a no go for Logic users at this time. I'm on Luna and it is working well for me, once I figured out how to use it, and that's with 100% of my plugins opening on a second screen. That said, I'd be curious if you are using this in Host mode or Mouse mode? I use it exclusively in Mouse mode, and it works for me. I haven't ever tried it in Host mode, and I hear that Luna may similarly have some issues with VST3 at this time. I bring his up because, if you're only using it in Host mode, it might be worth trying it in Mouse mode. It might work in Logic if you use it that way. Host vs Mouse each has its pros and cons, but I've been happy with Mouse mode myself. For whatever that's worth. |
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Post by theshea on Oct 1, 2023 12:28:50 GMT -6
i won the rocksolid micro 4k at a giveaway. its the one with the ssl channelstrip layout. it works for a lot of plugs and has the mentioned different modes as mouse mode, host mode. but … it‘s buggy as hell with logic. a year ago they said to work on it but no resuslts yet. as i understnd its a one guy business. it seems to work way better on other DAW‘s but i can‘t confirm as i only use logic and i gave up using it. it gives problems when i open the plugin on my second external screen: unusable. i am waiting for the logic update … than i can give my final jugdement. check for yourself: rocksolidaudio.co.uk/prices are good, support also. Yeah, for Logic specifically, I've read that Logic can't handle VST3 plugins very well (or at all) at this time, and Rocksolid hasn't released an AU version of their plugin yet, so it's VST3 or nothing right now. So that may mean that Rocksolid is maybe a no go for Logic users at this time. I'm on Luna and it is working well for me, once I figured out how to use it, and that's with 100% of my plugins opening on a second screen. That said, I'd be curious if you are using this in Host mode or Mouse mode? I use it exclusively in Mouse mode, and it works for me. I haven't ever tried it in Host mode, and I hear that Luna may similarly have some issues with VST3 at this time. I bring his up because, if you're only using it in Host mode, it might be worth trying it in Mouse mode. It might work in Logic if you use it that way. Host vs Mouse each has its pros and cons, but I've been happy with Mouse mode myself. For whatever that's worth. using it in mouse mode. tried host mode but won‘t work at all. even contacted support which tried to help but on a everyday basis it sadly aint useable for me within logic. |
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Post by Quint on Oct 1, 2023 13:13:03 GMT -6
Yeah, for Logic specifically, I've read that Logic can't handle VST3 plugins very well (or at all) at this time, and Rocksolid hasn't released an AU version of their plugin yet, so it's VST3 or nothing right now. So that may mean that Rocksolid is maybe a no go for Logic users at this time. I'm on Luna and it is working well for me, once I figured out how to use it, and that's with 100% of my plugins opening on a second screen. That said, I'd be curious if you are using this in Host mode or Mouse mode? I use it exclusively in Mouse mode, and it works for me. I haven't ever tried it in Host mode, and I hear that Luna may similarly have some issues with VST3 at this time. I bring his up because, if you're only using it in Host mode, it might be worth trying it in Mouse mode. It might work in Logic if you use it that way. Host vs Mouse each has its pros and cons, but I've been happy with Mouse mode myself. For whatever that's worth. using it in mouse mode. tried host mode but won‘t work at all. even contacted support which tried to help but on a everyday basis it sadly aint useable for me within logic. Man, that's too bad. I'm enjoying it quite a bit with Luna, and it would be great if it could work with all DAWs. The two controllers he has designed have a lot of potential and check a lot of boxes, at least for me anyway. I really like how they're intended to be plugin/DAW agnostic. That's assuming, of course, that they work. And that's always the deal with these kinds of products. You can get a completely plug and play system, but it'll be in a walled garden and limited to those products the company makes or supports, or you can get something like the Rocksolid, which is more open ended, but works with everything, at least in theory. Are you making sure that your plugin window is active and in focus? That caused me some trouble when I first started using the Micro 3. Once I figured out that this was causing me trouble, I made sure to always click on the window header for the plugin with the mouse to make sure it was active and focused. Now I just have a macro button on my Stream Deck that automatically opens a plugin in a given insert, moves it over to my dedicated plugin screen, and makes it active/focused. I push one insert button and the Micro 3 can immediately begin tweaking knobs on the plugin window that just opened. Push the insert button again, and the plugin window closes. Super slick. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Oct 1, 2023 20:18:58 GMT -6
Yeah, I'm on Logic. And Logic doesn't use VSTs at all. Hasn't for years. Logic is AU-land. That guy will have to release an AU-version for it to work with Logic. (There are tricks you can do like Patchwork, which can host VSTs inside of it, but that's a workaround.)
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Post by Quint on Oct 18, 2023 7:45:42 GMT -6
Yeah, I'm on Logic. And Logic doesn't use VSTs at all. Hasn't for years. Logic is AU-land. That guy will have to release an AU-version for it to work with Logic. (There are tricks you can do like Patchwork, which can host VSTs inside of it, but that's a workaround.) So mouse mode works in Logic now, and has been working in Logic for a while now, as I understand it. It's just the host mode that doesn't have an AU plugin yet, but apparently they're hoping to have one soon. See the link below for info. I myself use mouse mode, and like it because it's plugin agnostic (should work with anything) and doesn't (CAN'T) interfere with any DAW or plugin level functionality like side chain or DSP/native switching in Luna (ARM mode). gearspace.com/board/showthread.php?p=16723877 |
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