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Post by Bat Lanyard on Sept 21, 2023 16:49:36 GMT -6
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Post by seawell on Sept 21, 2023 17:08:42 GMT -6
I'm glad he did this. A good, fair shootout will get to the bottom of things real quick. That's pretty shady whoever was shelling out $1,000 per HerChild.
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Post by andersmv on Sept 21, 2023 17:59:57 GMT -6
Wow, this explains SO much. I don't think Heritage is really to blame for any of that crap, but I think it's an important lesson that they hopefully learned from. I saw a massive push from dealers when the Herchilds came out and remember seeing the rumors come up that Undertone has stopped making theirs. Makes total sense now, a $1k incentive is huge.
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Post by yotonic on Sept 21, 2023 19:23:07 GMT -6
Clearly they fuc$@d with the wrong guy. Eric just eviscerated them. Lol
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Sept 21, 2023 20:02:10 GMT -6
Yeah, says a lot about the whole marketing bullshit and also as said earlier, pissed off the wrong guy. EV's knowledge and understanding is incredible. Gotta say the H609 or whatever it was I sold as it didn't do what the marketing speak said it would. YMMV, but just gets back to that whole thing.
Full disclosure, have a used UnFairchild and added the accessory box. That combo is the tits.
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Post by drumsound on Sept 21, 2023 23:04:54 GMT -6
I was at a Fairchildren shoot out at Welcome to 1979 last year. They had an OG from Blackbird, 79's UnFairchild, and the Heritage. On different sources each sounded good for something, but less on other things. The multitrack they used was...questionable, but that's a different thing.
The OG was the best sounding, in general, and even made a terrible typical Taylor sound good.
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Post by crillemannen on Sept 22, 2023 1:50:10 GMT -6
That's what's called smart marketing by herritage and an incentive to sell. I do agree that such thing might push retailers to be a bit untruthful but that's really on their part. From what I heard they did sell out their initial stock the first month which was 100 units or so? Which is a crazy amount of units looking at the pricepoint. Quite a risk for Herritage but seems to have been rewarding.
I do agree that unless you're 100% truthful to the original design you might aswell add useful features. Eric's point of view really comes from actually using a unit and all the added features makes sense.
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Post by OtisGreying on Sept 22, 2023 3:16:46 GMT -6
Interesting video, Eric does have a way with staying objective but effectively promoting his product in a very sincere honest way, mostly because he just knows his stuff so well that he doesn't need to sugarcoat or try to oversell his audience. He's super knowledgeable and his company is one of the very few I would trust if investing 10k into one compressor. Also the added functionality of the Unfairchild speaks for itself in terms of the value versus its competition. If I ever do drop that much dough for a compressor I'll feel peace of mind purchasing from Undertone.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2023 12:58:43 GMT -6
awesome video. I agree with all his points. Flexible expensive toy vs disposable fake mastering gear.
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Post by skav on Sept 22, 2023 15:29:21 GMT -6
Peter R of Heritage commented an hour ago.
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Post by lowlou on Sept 22, 2023 16:01:48 GMT -6
Ouch...
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Post by yotonic on Sept 22, 2023 16:03:02 GMT -6
Of course he ignored the matters regarding integrity and marketing practices.
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Post by lowlou on Sept 22, 2023 16:18:01 GMT -6
And here I am, owner of a Stamchild MK2, not knowing what to think about all this at all.
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Post by teejay on Sept 22, 2023 16:42:14 GMT -6
Of course he ignored the matters regarding integrity and marketing practices. Not a fan. To each their own. If untrue that would have been point #1. The silence is deafening.
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Post by lowlou on Sept 22, 2023 16:51:04 GMT -6
A lot of heat in the tube gear business.
HEY WELL AT LEAST MY STAMCHILD HAS A SOLID STATE POWER SUPPLY YOU LOSERS, SO IT WILL ANCHOR THINGS WITH ITS LEDS ON.
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Post by Ward on Sept 22, 2023 17:00:23 GMT -6
Fantastic video! Considering he's reviewing competition, he's being very gracious.
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Post by drsax on Sept 22, 2023 17:46:22 GMT -6
Lots of useful info in EV’s video. Pick one, use it. Unfairchild is beautiful. I have a Stamchild MKI and it sounds gorgeous. It outperforms a lot of serious heavy hitters in my studio. Oh, and when you invest in tube gear, budget for and buy extra tubes, always. Always. Good tubes sound so nice! Bad sounding or failing tubes sound so bad. And dead tubes brick the usefulness of any tube gear. And like cables, tubes can seem like a boring purchase…. But whether buying used, NOS, or new tubes - good tubes in your equipment, and good extra backup tubes are essential, IMO.
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Post by drbill on Sept 22, 2023 17:54:37 GMT -6
This will get interesting......
BTW - Manley uses 6BA6's too in their Vari Mu. Makes me nervous.
Time to call Manley and load up on some 6BA6's.....
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Sept 22, 2023 19:29:05 GMT -6
I was unaware of the bombs being lobbed out there evidently, but would love to hear Eric's response on his technical inefficiencies. The man designed an incredible large-format console but doesn't know what he's talking about with in his words is a very simple audio path through the originals seems like deserves some clarification.
On a side note the UTA gear I own (UF, accessory box, PyraSum, two MPDI-4's) is super high-quality tank-built stuff. The H609 I owned for a short time was not in that league and I sold it.
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Post by lpedrum on Sept 22, 2023 21:53:18 GMT -6
I spite of the Cold War sniping from both parties Eric does say at 41:45 "They sound quite similar." That's what my ears tell me too.
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Post by christopher on Sept 23, 2023 0:31:57 GMT -6
Did he say that the tubes cost him $1-$2 and so he was looking at at a $40.00 cost, and passing that savings onto us for $10k? 🤔
Guys.. get ready for the ChristopHerChild 🥳🤣😂😂
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Post by Heritage Audio on Sept 23, 2023 0:34:39 GMT -6
Of course he ignored the matters regarding integrity and marketing practices. Not a fan. To each their own. Hello yotonic, I tried to stay away from posting myself in forums so users can share their experiences in an unbiased way, free from manufacturer´s claims.
However as our "integrity" is being challenged, let´s clarify this:
- As you may know, we are an European company. Spiffs are not legal in Europe and, as such, we have never done one. Our US sales are routed through our US distributor who is responsible for its own sales tactics. With this being said I dont really see much difference in giving a spiff to a specific sales guy in a large retail corporation to the obvious sales margin to the typical small pro audio owner-operated retailer, which in the case of an Unfairchild, should be in the range of $2750-$3300 (25-30%). I can be wrong on this, but not far away.
- Regarding the insinuations that we did spread the Unfairchild discontinuation rumor, I will not give much information before discussing this with Eric, who is a super nice guy and as such I believe he is being rather naive than cynical. I will just say that we heard the same rumor back in the day pending this clarification.
Thanks Peter R.
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Post by christopher on Sept 23, 2023 0:49:14 GMT -6
I’m sure you guys will sort this. I know I’m a Bay Area jerk, truth is Eric is clearly a super good guy, like so many great people in in the Bay. The thing is, it’s an area of extreme, extreme pressure to bring home the mega success. Poor kids at high schools near his old studio kill themselves every year if they happen to lose their 4.0 GPA. It’s so depressing! Eric is a success, not only did he do it for himself.. I’m here because of him. He MADE smashmouth sound like they could only dream. And so many other local bands, ones which long for that care and attention, and kept the bay scene going for decades after he left. And the hits he made, created careers. We are talking billions of dollars when you add it all up! Teams of talent, around the world, all because Eric made them a hit. It really hit home for me with the passing of Steve Harwell. Eric gave him the dream, the one we’d all want and it devoured the poor dude, like so many others. And with him ended careers of many. Anyway.. been wanting to say something of thanks, guess it’s whiskey and Friday night to bring it out. God bless you guys, these tools are awesome to have regardless
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 23, 2023 5:54:49 GMT -6
This will get interesting...... BTW - Manley uses 6BA6's too in their Vari Mu. Makes me nervous. Time to call Manley and load up on some 6BA6's..... My Retro STA Level uses a pair of 6BA6 tubes. Are they only NOS? I got the impression they are readily available and nothing fancy. Unlike the NOS EF14 for my Wunder CM7 which I bought a spare A++ quality tube two years ago and it cost me $500 landed inc VAT and Duty!!
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Post by lowlou on Sept 23, 2023 6:26:06 GMT -6
Stam offer full tested 16 spare tube sets for a fair (lel) price.
Joshua also tells me that in six years there has not been ONE issue with the MK1 tubes.
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