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Post by littlesicily on Jul 8, 2014 23:33:51 GMT -6
Svart nails, but really simply put, Using the input stage to (over) drive the components(transfomers opamps etc), creates desirable harmonic distorion, but also elevates the output to unusable levels, the output attenuator turns those desirable volume induced artifacts down to a useable level. Which also adds a compartmentalized, compressed and less open sound IME This I understand, tonycamphd. Thank you. I don't think that's what svart was saying, though. He wrote that, "...if you want more harmonics, turn the output attenuation up." That's the part I don't understand. |
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Post by jeromemason on Jul 8, 2014 23:55:58 GMT -6
I always remember it by associating the air conditioner.... I wouldn't tell my wife to turn up the AC if I wanted it colder, I would tell her to turn down the AC.... so turn attenuate up, means more reduction and vice versa. You got it now Sal!
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 9, 2014 0:09:36 GMT -6
I always remember it by associating the air conditioner.... I wouldn't tell my wife to turn up the AC if I wanted it colder, I would tell her to turn down the AC.... so turn attenuate up, means more reduction and vice versa. You got it now Sal! LOL… I knew I was missing something very obvious! Ok, so seems what I was thinking was correct, just using different terms. Thanks |
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Post by gouge on Jul 9, 2014 0:15:06 GMT -6
Ma5 is the same. Turn up input to unity, then tweak input and output attenuation to get desired non linear bits.
i treat all my pres the same, even ones without output attenuation. By going through a console i get this feature because i can use channel faders to attenuate.
the daking is different though. To get more shabang it seems to need the input pad.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 9, 2014 0:19:24 GMT -6
Svart nails, but really simply put, Using the input stage to (over) drive the components(transfomers opamps etc), creates desirable harmonic distorion, but also elevates the output to unusable levels, the output attenuator turns those desirable volume induced artifacts down to a useable level. Which also adds a compartmentalized, compressed and less open sound IME This I understand, tonycamphd. Thank you. I don't think that's what svart was saying, though. He wrote that, "...if you want more harmonics, turn the output attenuation up." That's the part I don't understand. I think he was referring to a "unity" type gain structure, which is the optimal settings on the input relative to no attenuation on the output. That gets u the best S/N ratio on any piece of gear. As far as the vp28, driving the input hard and attenuating the output gives more harmonic distortion, compression, fuzz..at least this is how i understand it with my brain and ears. If i'm wrong about that, it's a misunderstanding that i've had for a long time! I'm 99% sure i'm right though, jsteiger could clear it up in a happy heartbeat. |
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 9, 2014 0:22:51 GMT -6
This I understand, tonycamphd. Thank you. I don't think that's what svart was saying, though. He wrote that, "...if you want more harmonics, turn the output attenuation up." That's the part I don't understand. I think he was referring to a "unity" type gain structure, which is the optimal settings on the input relative to no attenuation on the output. That gets u the best S/N ratio on any piece of gear. As far as the vp28, driving the input hard and attenuating the output give more harmonic distortion, compression, fuzz..at least this is how i understand it with my brain and ears. If i'm wrong about that, it's a misunderstanding that i've had for a long time! I'm 99% sure i'm right though, jsteiger could clear it up in a happy heartbeat. told me that is the case. Also, that while the output fader on the Vp28 is clearly marked "0" for unity, on the old consoles, most guys thought all the way up was unity, but in fact, was +12. He suggested another cool sound was cranking the fader to +12 and back down on the input gain… and it is a cool sound, as well. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 9, 2014 0:29:35 GMT -6
I think he was referring to a "unity" type gain structure, which is the optimal settings on the input relative to no attenuation on the output. That gets u the best S/N ratio on any piece of gear. As far as the vp28, driving the input hard and attenuating the output give more harmonic distortion, compression, fuzz..at least this is how i understand it with my brain and ears. If i'm wrong about that, it's a misunderstanding that i've had for a long time! I'm 99% sure i'm right though, jsteiger could clear it up in a happy heartbeat. told me that is the case. Also, that while the output fader on the Vp28 is clearly marked "0" for unity, on the old consoles, most guys thought all the way up was unity, but in fact, was +12. He suggested another cool sound was cranking the fader to +12 and back down on the input gain… and it is a cool sound, as well. i think the fader attenuator cranked all the way is tantamount to taking the second stage out of the equation?(well still nice op/tranny though 8), and yes, that sounds killer! btw, the vp fader only goes to 10, you said 12... thats 2 more! 8) |
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 9, 2014 0:37:05 GMT -6
jsteiger told me that is the case. Also, that while the output fader on the Vp28 is clearly marked "0" for unity, on the old consoles, most guys thought all the way up was unity, but in fact, was +12. He suggested another cool sound was cranking the fader to +12 and back down on the input gain… and it is a cool sound, as well. i think the fader attenuator cranked all the way is tantamount to taking the second stage out of the equation?(well still nice op/tranny though 8), and yes, that sounds killer! btw, the vp fader only goes to 10, you said 12... thats 2 more! 8) Mine go to 12!! For real. |
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Post by jeromemason on Jul 9, 2014 2:10:04 GMT -6
I also have the "you're a bad ass, so you get another click" mod on my VP28's, they go to 12 as well. We're rooting for ya Tony.... we want your faders to go to 12 like ours, just less hi end and fatten the bass up some..... you'll get the 12 I think.  |
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Post by gouge on Jul 9, 2014 3:06:06 GMT -6
Cranked output and less on input on the vp28 is my favourite bass guitar setup.
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Post by svart on Jul 9, 2014 7:16:28 GMT -6
Just to make it clear, "turning up" the attenuation means "increase" attenuation.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 9, 2014 9:06:10 GMT -6
Just to make it clear, "turning up" the attenuation means "increase" attenuation. My brain only understands, lefty loosey/ righty tighty, ccw turns it down, cw turns it up, no exceptions except for skill saws, and that's only because my brain knows it'll cut my hand off! 8) |
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