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Post by Oneiro on Oct 22, 2024 17:39:20 GMT -6
Yeah, JCF is its own thing and if you work on JCF tracks day in and day out, it makes an unsubtle difference to how you approach everything.
Arguably far truer to the analog feed than other converters I've used.
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Post by Mister Chase on Oct 22, 2024 17:44:22 GMT -6
I think I should get the digital I/O for my Aurora (N) 24 and plug in 8-16 channels of JCF, then. That would be a cool setup.
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Post by Quint on Oct 22, 2024 19:51:15 GMT -6
For those of you with a JCF, do you feel like you're getting the most bang for your buck on the AD side, or do you view the DA side as just as important?
I'm currently looking around a bit at converters and interfaces, for eventually dumping my Apollos, but 32 to 40 channels of JCF AD and DA is a non-starter for me. It's just way more than I can afford.
But, if for example, I got 8 or 16 channels of JCF AD, and then used cheaper conversion/interfaces for everything else (such as HW inserts) other than my 2 buss, I wonder how that would fare?
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Post by veggieryan on Oct 22, 2024 21:07:28 GMT -6
Analog to digital is always much more important to my ear. First during tracking because all the magic is happening in the analog domain so the first conversation to digital is where the most damage or loss can and usually does occur.
Many people work totally in the box these days after tracking so DA is even less important in this scenario.
Also, as I understand it more money goes into R&D for DA converter chips and far less goes into AD chips, perhaps because the recording industry is nearly dead compared to a few decades ago.
Perhaps that is why its much harder to find a good AD converter while decent DA converters are becoming more common.
It is important to understand that the transformers in the JCF AD8 are part of the fundamental design and solve a fundamental problem of conversion. They are not just added for "color" like Burl. This is very unique and a major reason the AD8 sounds the way it does.
The DA8-T can sum its outputs directly via wire without resistors like traditional summing mixers which is another unique design.
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Post by veggieryan on Oct 22, 2024 21:57:47 GMT -6
Also the clock in the AD8 is the best I have heard. When used as master clock it makes even my Apollo X6 DA sound much more tolerable. I have not heard a Grimm clock but it does what people say the Grimm clock does to my ears.
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Post by nomatic on Oct 23, 2024 4:57:15 GMT -6
I think I should get the digital I/O for my Aurora (N) 24 and plug in 8-16 channels of JCF, then. That would be a cool setup. I have a 16 in Aurora N at the tracking room with 16 channels of JCF AD-8 going into the aes card. This works great as a way to get all that lovely into the HDX rig... A great set up. I think the Metric Halo ULN-8 is the way to go with a edge card if you are non HDX.. |
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Post by nomatic on Oct 23, 2024 5:00:24 GMT -6
For those of you with a JCF, do you feel like you're getting the most bang for your buck on the AD side, or do you view the DA side as just as important? I'm currently looking around a bit at converters and interfaces, for eventually dumping my Apollos, but 32 to 40 channels of JCF AD and DA is a non-starter for me. It's just way more than I can afford. But, if for example, I got 8 or 16 channels of JCF AD, and then used cheaper conversion/interfaces for everything else (such as HW inserts) other than my 2 buss, I wonder how that would fare? I would run the new MKIV metric halos with 16 channels of JCF AD-8s The ULN-8s sound great and the D to A is killer |
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Post by veggieryan on Oct 24, 2024 14:54:46 GMT -6
I would run the new MKIV metric halos with 16 channels of JCF AD-8s The ULN-8s sound great and the D to A is killer Agreed. I had ULN-8 3D and really loved the mixer as well but felt the conversion was a bit weak especially on the AD side. Now that mkIV seems to have improved the sonics AND drastically lowered the converter latency/RTL I consider them a top option. If they implement latency compensation for their hardware insert I/O plugin in their MIO Console mixer I would probably not be able to resist. I think the preamps in the ULN-8 are great too, certainly the best interface preamps I have ever heard by far... You can run the preamps analog send into the JCF AD8 and use it as your master clock for the best sonics for 8 channels in 2U rack space by far. |
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Post by Quint on Oct 26, 2024 13:35:29 GMT -6
Are you guys with JCF AD8 units also using PEP? Applying it while recording, or post processing with it after the fact?
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Post by nomatic on Oct 26, 2024 13:59:40 GMT -6
I really like it but unfortunately I don't have to workaround to use it in tracking cause the latency and the time it take to post process.
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Post by veggieryan on Oct 26, 2024 17:23:12 GMT -6
I use PEP during tracking by either monitoring on an analog mixer or by multing to another converter for monitoring. Right now the multed converter is my Apollo.
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