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Post by paulcheeba on May 17, 2024 20:10:00 GMT -6
I do something similar with no gates or anything in PT. Use strip silence, pull up the threshold so that it cuts out everything but the toms. Take the release and extend to the next grid mark, and put a nice curved exponential fade on the tom release. Works very well with minimal tweaking. Cuts out all the bleed. Sometimes the bleed is desired though, ,and that's where it gets trickier..... As long as you're using the OH's it's pretty smooth in the end result. Getting a drummer who knows how to balance his kit and playing helps a lot too.....  That's pretty much what I do as well. Me too. Then time align them with the overheads if necessary, usually. |
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Post by drbill on May 17, 2024 21:36:05 GMT -6
That's pretty much what I do as well. Me too. Then time align them with the overheads if necessary, usually. Haha... Like minds?!?!? Honestly, I thought everyone did that. LOL |
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Post by Ward on May 18, 2024 7:59:35 GMT -6
Me too. Then time align them with the overheads if necessary, usually. Haha... Like minds?!?!? Honestly, I thought everyone did that. LOL Nope. A lot of guys out there are looking for the next plugin that makes it super easy for them. Hard work hurts nobody. |
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Post by paulcheeba on May 18, 2024 9:26:09 GMT -6
Haha... Like minds?!?!? Honestly, I thought everyone did that. LOL Nope. A lot of guys out there are looking for the next plugin that makes it super easy for them. Hard work hurts nobody. I find even the best noise gates move things around and flip phase so I end up checking it all by hand anyway. Plug ins can’t be trusted. |
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Post by theglow on May 18, 2024 9:40:16 GMT -6
Since I started using SDCs on toms I’ve not found it necessary to gate. The off-axis cymbal bleed sounds so nice that it just becomes part of the stereo image. The Soyuz 013 tubes are especially great for this. Lately I’m using e22Ss.
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Post by Dan on May 18, 2024 9:50:00 GMT -6
Nope. A lot of guys out there are looking for the next plugin that makes it super easy for them. Hard work hurts nobody. I find even the best noise gates move things around and flip phase so I end up checking it all by hand anyway. Plug ins can’t be trusted. The modern stuff doesn’t flip the phase. It will usually have a dc filter in the circuit, that is all, shifting phase slightly. If stuff is moving around in your daw, that’s a much bigger issue. |
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Post by smashlord on May 18, 2024 10:10:29 GMT -6
The trick to handling tom bleed is to just not be lazy..... get in there, manually cut the bleed and do fades. If one edits all the toms together (in other words, they all "open" together), any overhanging cymbal bleed is usually pretty transparent. If it's not, audiosuite a LPF to that clip.
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Post by paulcheeba on May 18, 2024 13:34:55 GMT -6
Since I started using SDCs on toms I’ve not found it necessary to gate. The off-axis cymbal bleed sounds so nice that it just becomes part of the stereo image. The Soyuz 013 tubes are especially great for this. Lately I’m using e22Ss. Both great mics. Yes sometimes if the toms are tuned well it can add a cool resonance to the groove. I still think Sonnox and Silencer do some dodgy stuff you spend half your time having to watch. That’s why manual editing has always been the best way. |
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Post by guitfiddler on May 18, 2024 13:40:58 GMT -6
Track your toms, kick and snare separate from your cymbals. That is a way of getting things solid, and not having to worry about bleed. A bit of a pain and more time consuming.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 18, 2024 16:22:27 GMT -6
I just cut them and fade out the hit. In PT, it’s B for cut (break) and then X for delete. I can cut up toms in about 2 minutes
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Post by antipodesjosh on May 18, 2024 17:32:50 GMT -6
In a rock production recently, we captured MIDI along with the live drums, and sampled the toms (singles, doubles, rolls) at four velocities each.
For fills where there’s a ton of cymbal hash, can just trigger the relevant close mics at the desired intensity.
It’s kinda cheating and wouldn’t work for every style, but sounds pretty good.
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Post by kbsmoove on May 18, 2024 19:08:50 GMT -6
sometimes i duplicate the track and all its plugins. then on the duplicate track - after all other plugins - set a compressor to catch the attack 30:1 (or more!), hard knee, fastest attack (something that'll do 0ms is best), ~5ms release. invert the polarity, and you're left with only attack when the compressor responds - everything else cancels. hi pass this dupe at ~700hz and now you have the sustain of the drum back, cymbal bleed is canceled out. you can mess around with attack/release and the EQ settings to get the sound right. it can be very transparent.
this is useful if you want to keep the sustain / bleed but need to mellow out the cymbal spill.
or if you don't want to edit a zillion drum hits because it makes your carpal tunnel act up.
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Post by Dan on May 18, 2024 20:23:48 GMT -6
I just cut them and fade out the hit. In PT, it’s B for cut (break) and then X for delete. I can cut up toms in about 2 minutes Same tbh. Gates, even the cool ai Oxford Drum Gate and Black Salt Silencer, rarely work on toms ime. Now Oxford Drum Gate rules on kick and snare. Just add a sheen compressor or high end boost to counter the slight detail loss. PSP Avedis E27, Weiss DS1 or Comp/Limiter, the PSP Fetpressor, Pulsar 1178, the crazy fuse Vqp Langevin shelves, the softube neve high shed and api compressor stuff all work fine. |
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Post by christophert on May 18, 2024 21:34:13 GMT -6
Depending on the music, I often like the toms resonating during the song, if the cymbals are very close to the tom, then I cut between the tom hits and reduce the volume and put a shelf eq to tame the highs on the resonating toms.
Otherwise I cut and fade all toms for the cymbal smashers. (Gates can't be trusted - nor do they sound good).
Ever since I got my Lauten LS-308's there has been a marked reduction in cymbal spill to deal with.
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Post by jeremygillespie on May 19, 2024 12:43:44 GMT -6
If you are the one doing the tracking and you can hear it’s going to be a problem with a cymbal smasher, I like to get 3 velocity Tom samples before the song gets tracked. Then you can make a track and lay the samples in for the Tom hits that you want to ring out as long as you please. Has saved me on a few occasions.
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