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Post by bricejchandler on Aug 8, 2023 4:59:12 GMT -6
I do not have a Heiserman to compare it to but here is the Stam on my voice with just a tiny bit of reverb ( and my parlor guitar at the same time) I've been improvising stuff and the sound I have in the headphones is pretty inspiring, definitely compares favorably to other 47 clones I've used. Number 2 I'm much close to the mic. Attachments:GHOSTS STAM_2.mp3 (765.79 KB)
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Post by bricejchandler on Aug 8, 2023 5:44:45 GMT -6
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Post by drumstar2112 on Aug 8, 2023 6:01:48 GMT -6
I do not have a Heiserman to compare it to but here is the Stam on my voice with just a tiny bit of reverb ( and my parlor guitar at the same time) I've been improvising stuff and the sound I have in the headphones is pretty inspiring, definitely compares favorably to other 47 clones I've used. Number 2 I'm much close to the mic. Love it thanks Bryce |
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Post by keymod on Aug 8, 2023 6:14:23 GMT -6
I just installed a Beesneez M7 in my Signal Arts Electronics U47, would recommend. Now tied with Stam SA-251 for sweetest vocal mic in my locker. Curious why you felt the need to swap the capsule? We feel our SAE U47 is perfect the way it is. I will buy Chad's U48 at some point |
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Post by bricejchandler on Aug 8, 2023 6:22:41 GMT -6
I do not have a Heiserman to compare it to but here is the Stam on my voice with just a tiny bit of reverb ( and my parlor guitar at the same time) I've been improvising stuff and the sound I have in the headphones is pretty inspiring, definitely compares favorably to other 47 clones I've used. Number 2 I'm much close to the mic. Love it thanks Bryce This is me on a U87 ai for comparison ( the circuit of which has been slightly modified by a tech so it's a bit cleaner than a regular ai ) , though different takes but still you can hear the difference between the mics www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/jg4fiv1qaapb7e4p5fpzf/MIX-OF-CA70-286-U87-ON-VOCAL_1.mp3?rlkey=e475wsfn3jqac9dcwz3gv5fzz&dl=0 |
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Post by Ward on Aug 8, 2023 9:10:30 GMT -6
Hey enlav Signal Art will make either the 408 circuit which has a bot more weight to the sound or the the other H47T style EF800 style which is airy, nice mids and reasonable low end. ITs up to you which one you like. I have had both. I liked the weight of the 408 tube circuit one for a few years but when I got my Heiserman H47t I liked that style of circuit more so I got Chad to do that custom 47/48 style mic. It did cost a little more to get nice NOS tubes and the better capsule. I thought it was worth it and in the end I sold both the 408 style model and the Heiserman one. Couldn't be happier. After chatting with cdkelly, I chose the 408 option... he puts two 408 tubes in his, and uses BOTH of them, unlike T-FunkUSA. The difference is very audible. It is a beautiful thing. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 8, 2023 10:01:13 GMT -6
Nice Brice. I liked the SA47 better for your voice.
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Post by bricejchandler on Aug 8, 2023 10:21:09 GMT -6
Nice Brice. I liked the SA47 better for your voice. Thanks Martin! I think it sounds pretty good. It has quite a bit more attitude compared to the 87 for sure. I also like the fact that it captures quite a bit less ambiance which is nice since these days I'm just working in part of my living room. I won't be selling the 87 though, I'm not a singer so all I really do with my voice for finished products is occasional backing vocals and for that the 87s relative neutrality ( at least mine ) is nice. |
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Post by stam on Aug 8, 2023 10:57:45 GMT -6
Here is the latest SA-47 vs and old Neumann
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Post by stam on Aug 8, 2023 11:00:37 GMT -6
Hey enlav Signal Art will make either the 408 circuit which has a bot more weight to the sound or the the other H47T style EF800 style which is airy, nice mids and reasonable low end. ITs up to you which one you like. I have had both. I liked the weight of the 408 tube circuit one for a few years but when I got my Heiserman H47t I liked that style of circuit more so I got Chad to do that custom 47/48 style mic. It did cost a little more to get nice NOS tubes and the better capsule. I thought it was worth it and in the end I sold both the 408 style model and the Heiserman one. Couldn't be happier. After chatting with cdkelly , I chose the 408 option... he puts two 408 tubes in his, and uses BOTH of them, unlike T-FunkUSA. The difference is very audible. It is a beautiful thing. The low end can be manipulated, I can make the SA-47 sound very heavy with an EF-800 but rolled back a little The MK1 was extremely thick and while I liked it better than a 47 I think it's best to offer something that sounds as close as possible The 408 is a great combination as well. I have made a few with a K47 and they sound great. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 8, 2023 12:16:37 GMT -6
Wow, that really sounds great Joshua. In this instance, I think it's case closed. Take a few vintage U47's and compare them and I'd bet they have a bigger difference than the two in the shootout. They're basically indistinguishable here, and that's an amazing achievement, congratulations.
You're a fantastic singer too!
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Post by Ward on Aug 8, 2023 12:46:38 GMT -6
After chatting with cdkelly , I chose the 408 option... he puts two 408 tubes in his, and uses BOTH of them, unlike T-FunkUSA. The difference is very audible. It is a beautiful thing. The low end can be manipulated, I can make the SA-47 sound very heavy with an EF-800 but rolled back a little The MK1 was extremely thick and while I liked it better than a 47 I think it's best to offer something that sounds as close as possible The 408 is a great combination as well. I have made a few with a K47 and they sound great. That sounds like a fantastic combination actually! I like the EF800 tube amplifier option also . . . both are completely acceptable. and speaking of tube options . . . there is a guy on eBay with a bunch of VF14 (non-M) for sale that he claims are in good working order, new in box. Worth the risk? Could there be a few usable musical ones in the lot to make a few true U47/48 clones? I mean, that would be amazing. |
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Post by Ward on Aug 8, 2023 12:51:13 GMT -6
Here is the latest SA-47 vs and old Neumann Funny, in a very good way. Your SA47 sounds slightly better on your voice than the original U47. Less low mid and harmonic distortion in that range. In the case of your voice, if I were engineering you I wouldn't choose a 47 anyhow. It's a beautiful voice, and seems suited to an M49 maybe even a 251 with a de-esser. JMHO, YMMV~~ |
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Post by paulcheeba on Aug 8, 2023 14:28:14 GMT -6
What I love about the Heiserman is the two head baskets. This gives me a lot of options. For my voice, baritonish - the H7 capsule is the best I have found, compared to Fleas and Wunders with similar caps. (And I tried several Fleas and several Wunders - none of which were slouches - it is just that the Heiserman has this thing on the low end that is special - different than my AEA 44s which are rich in the lows - the Heiserman low end is somehow beefy but tighter than the AEA 44). I do have a conceptual weakness for the M7 style capsule. Largely due to some knowledge, of what (Crooner) voices had the earlier M7 on them. Nonetheless, according to Eric, the K47 is more suited on my voice type. Over time Ben S., also suggested staying with something a bit less mellow than the M7. So when two Masters agree  Chris Although you may hear yourself like that. I totally understand their thinking. |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 8, 2023 18:02:22 GMT -6
When Chaliapin, the great Russian Operatic Bass (who later made Paris his lifetime home) was young... Within a short amount of time, his first Vocal Master said he was a Tenor. Then it was revised by the Master to Baritone. Finally he was evaluated as... A true Bass. Then he cried.(true) But he was more than Godunov as a Bass.  And a Lady Killer too. Chris P.S. A (roughly) contemporary artist's live/Studio recordings... Tenor John McCormack, have been of great help for me lately. He's the most legendary Irish Tenor of all. |
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Post by drumstar2112 on Aug 18, 2023 7:33:42 GMT -6
Here is the latest SA-47 vs and old Neumann I think the Stam actually sounds better in this comparison , well done sir 👍🏻 |
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Post by Ward on Aug 18, 2023 7:50:27 GMT -6
Here is the latest SA-47 vs and old Neumann I think the Stam actually sounds better in this comparison , well done sir 👍🏻 I agree. I mentioned this earlier in this thread (https://realgearonline.com/post/335547) |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 18, 2023 10:49:15 GMT -6
Wow, listening again, that really is a beautiful vocal. There are so many mic shootouts done with seriously bad vocalists, you can't tell much if anything about the mic. This is a demo that actually gives you a chance to get a good idea of the mic being offered. Low level detail, tonal balance, proximity effect, sibilance, and handling of loud passages are all here.
I don't think clones or 'inspired by" mics can get any better than this.
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Post by ericn on Aug 18, 2023 11:47:50 GMT -6
What I love about the Heiserman is the two head baskets. This gives me a lot of options. For my voice, baritonish - the H7 capsule is the best I have found, compared to Fleas and Wunders with similar caps. (And I tried several Fleas and several Wunders - none of which were slouches - it is just that the Heiserman has this thing on the low end that is special - different than my AEA 44s which are rich in the lows - the Heiserman low end is somehow beefy but tighter than the AEA 44). I do have a conceptual weakness for the M7 style capsule. Largely due to some knowledge, of what (Crooner) voices had the earlier M7 on them. Nonetheless, according to Eric, the K47 is more suited on my voice type. Over time Ben S., also suggested staying with something a bit less mellow than the M7. So when two Masters agree Chris Even as a M7 diehard I’ll agree with my namesake on your voice a K47 is probably better suited or Ben’s hybrid. |
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Post by mcirish on Aug 18, 2023 12:55:23 GMT -6
I have a Thiersch Red M7 and one of Ben's K7 capsules. Both sound pretty similar. I go back and forth on which I prefer but either will get you there. Just slight variations on a theme.
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Post by paulcheeba on Aug 19, 2023 20:48:41 GMT -6
I have a Thiersch Red M7 and one of Ben's K7 capsules. Both sound pretty similar. I go back and forth on which I prefer but either will get you there. Just slight variations on a theme. I put Ben’s K7’s in a pair of Flea 47 and it transformed them. They sound like brand new U47’s. And the mids really came alive. I then bought all Bens capsules. Re: M7’s I have it on great authority by a mic maker that Dany Bouchard’s D7 are the best. I’ve yet to order a pair. |
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Post by mics on Aug 20, 2023 0:51:41 GMT -6
I have a Thiersch Red M7 and one of Ben's K7 capsules. Both sound pretty similar. I go back and forth on which I prefer but either will get you there. Just slight variations on a theme. I put Ben’s K7’s in a pair of Flea 47 and it transformed them. They sound like brand new U47’s. And the mids really came alive. I then bought all Bens capsules. Re: M7’s I have it on great authority by a mic maker that Dany Bouchard’s D7 are the best. I’ve yet to order a pair. Hmmm. M7 wise, I challenge you to a duel (or dual)!!!!!! lol I might send you one to play with.. |
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Post by drumstar2112 on Aug 20, 2023 6:34:04 GMT -6
I have a Thiersch Red M7 and one of Ben's K7 capsules. Both sound pretty similar. I go back and forth on which I prefer but either will get you there. Just slight variations on a theme. I put Ben’s K7’s in a pair of Flea 47 and it transformed them. They sound like brand new U47’s. And the mids really came alive. I then bought all Bens capsules. Re: M7’s I have it on great authority by a mic maker that Dany Bouchard’s D7 are the best. I’ve yet to order a pair. So flea 47’s with Ben’s K7’s ….interesting 🤔 How does THAT model compare to the Heiserman lol ? |
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Post by paulcheeba on Aug 20, 2023 14:22:56 GMT -6
I put Ben’s K7’s in a pair of Flea 47 and it transformed them. They sound like brand new U47’s. And the mids really came alive. I then bought all Bens capsules. Re: M7’s I have it on great authority by a mic maker that Dany Bouchard’s D7 are the best. I’ve yet to order a pair. So flea 47’s with Ben’s K7’s ….interesting 🤔 How does THAT model compare to the Heiserman lol ? They are both terrific, I have a pair of each and 3 old Neumann’s. They all sound amazing. |
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Post by drumstar2112 on Aug 20, 2023 15:51:52 GMT -6
So flea 47’s with Ben’s K7’s ….interesting 🤔 How does THAT model compare to the Heiserman lol ? They are both terrific, I have a pair of each and 3 old Neumann’s. They all sound amazing. AND the Stam …You’re the ‘U47 whisperer’ 😉 |
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