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Post by bricejchandler on Aug 9, 2023 9:59:23 GMT -6
Love this style. Enough room for things to sound huge. The 70 is just right, to me. The air and lift on the 286 is cool but maybe just on some elements. It threw me off at first but then again I heard it second so... Guess I need to add some coil to the herd. I agree a 100%. Did you check out the little acoustic song too in the thread? I find that one suits the 286 better. Though I usually do a mixture as a default when I don't have much time. Kick Snare= CA70s Mono OH = 286 Bass = depends Electric guitars= CA70S all day everyday Acoustic= Strumming often the 70 and picking the 286 Vocals seems to be 286 more often for my taste Like teejay said, given how many people want to buy Coils after my little songs here and on the other site, I hope I get a Tshirt at some point haha! |
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Post by suicity on Aug 9, 2023 11:12:03 GMT -6
bricejchandler you mentioned on the other site that the CA70 is "The 70 is a bit darker than your average preamp but then it's also so much deeper". By "deeper" do you mean flexibility?
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Post by bricejchandler on Aug 9, 2023 11:31:13 GMT -6
bricejchandler you mentioned on the other site that the CA70 is "The 70 is a bit darker than your average preamp but then it's also so much deeper". By "deeper" do you mean flexibility? I meant that it seems like it literally feels like it goes an entire octave below other preamps. On kicks it’s very obvious! |
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Post by Ward on Aug 9, 2023 11:38:39 GMT -6
bricejchandler you mentioned on the other site that the CA70 is "The 70 is a bit darker than your average preamp but then it's also so much deeper". By "deeper" do you mean flexibility? I meant that it seems like it literally feels like it goes an entire octave below other preamps. On kicks it’s very obvious! I took it to mean that as well. Most of us speak literally around here and not figuratively. Deeper usually refers to bass. Listening back, I'm so glad you posted these comparisons! Gratitude! |
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Post by bricejchandler on Aug 10, 2023 0:59:16 GMT -6
I meant that it seems like it literally feels like it goes an entire octave below other preamps. On kicks it’s very obvious! I took it to mean that as well. Most of us speak literally around here and not figuratively. Deeper usually refers to bass. Listening back, I'm so glad you posted these comparisons! Gratitude! You're welcome! I'm very happy to help! Looking forward to hearing your thoughts when you get your hands on some! |
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Post by vvvooojjj on Aug 10, 2023 1:25:16 GMT -6
Both jams sound lovely.
It would be great, if possible, to hear same vocal take tracked with each.
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Post by bricejchandler on Aug 10, 2023 2:39:11 GMT -6
Here's what I found quickly on my hard drive CA 70 vs 286 |
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Post by bricejchandler on Aug 10, 2023 2:39:47 GMT -6
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Post by bricejchandler on Aug 10, 2023 2:41:12 GMT -6
And here is one comparing the 286 to the Olympic Mic amp 65 with the air switch on cascaded into the line mode of the CA70 driving it a bit. |
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Post by christophert on Aug 10, 2023 6:28:27 GMT -6
bricejchandler you mentioned on the other site that the CA70 is "The 70 is a bit darker than your average preamp but then it's also so much deeper". By "deeper" do you mean flexibility? I meant that it seems like it literally feels like it goes an entire octave below other preamps. On kicks it’s very obvious! I have fallen in love with CA70's on Coles drums overheads. Never have I heard such an amazing capture extending down to the lowest of lows. Like another octave below any other preamp I have ever heard. |
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Post by bricejchandler on Aug 10, 2023 7:01:03 GMT -6
I meant that it seems like it literally feels like it goes an entire octave below other preamps. On kicks it’s very obvious! I have fallen in love with CA70's on Coles drums overheads. Never have I heard such an amazing capture extending down to the lowest of lows. Like another octave below any other preamp I have ever heard. That must sound THICK! Mine are pretty much always on Kick and Snare and I use The 286 on mono Oh as I'm trying to get more cymbals than heads. Fet 47 a foot away into the CA70s is thunderous on kick drums |
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Post by andersmv on Aug 10, 2023 7:46:53 GMT -6
And here is one comparing the 286 to the Olympic Mic amp 65 with the air switch on cascaded into the line mode of the CA70 driving it a bit. That's great, nice difference between those two. I could see tracking a folky album like that using the CA-70 and then mixing it through the 286 to open everything up a bit and tuck some of the buildup in the low mids. I think I'm going to end up liking the CA-70 a lot more, but the 286 would probably be a better fit for me. I have a tendency to use darker and more neutral mics, would probably do me good to sprinkle in something like the 286 along the way. |
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Post by Ward on Aug 10, 2023 8:16:11 GMT -6
Well that's it . . . I'm heading over to the Coil Audio site to peruse. I'm smitten by those CA70s
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Post by Ward on Aug 10, 2023 8:26:00 GMT -6
Over their perusing . . . $1899 a single channel The 6 pack goes for $1199 chassis and $1899 each preamp (up to 6) The single standalone unit doesn't have the High end control. Bummer. ericn , they're only over there in Lawrence KS, can you pop over and get some free samples to share with me? I guess we should invite them here first, unless they're already lurking members. |
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Post by bricejchandler on Aug 10, 2023 8:43:24 GMT -6
And here is one comparing the 286 to the Olympic Mic amp 65 with the air switch on cascaded into the line mode of the CA70 driving it a bit. That's great, nice difference between those two. I could see tracking a folky album like that using the CA-70 and then mixing it through the 286 to open everything up a bit and tuck some of the buildup in the low mids. I think I'm going to end up liking the CA-70 a lot more, but the 286 would probably be a better fit for me. I have a tendency to use darker and more neutral mics, would probably do me good to sprinkle in something like the 286 along the way. It really depends on the mic and source because on quite a few sources the CA70 is actually brighter up top. To my ears it actually has more information way up top, particularly with the NF maxed. They both have a small mid push, but the center frequency on the 286 is a higher I'd say. The CA70s lows are definitely big but you can attenuate it with that low switch quite a bit without thinning out the sound, they're also really nice in a big room because they have so much reach, you can mic things from further away and still have the source feel really solid. If I could only have one it would be the CA70s but I would really miss the 286! |
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Post by EmRR on Aug 10, 2023 8:45:25 GMT -6
bricejchandler you mentioned on the other site that the CA70 is "The 70 is a bit darker than your average preamp but then it's also so much deeper". By "deeper" do you mean flexibility? I meant that it seems like it literally feels like it goes an entire octave below other preamps. On kicks it’s very obvious! Orig Gates have a 30ish Hz bump of a dB or more. Kinda like a tape head bump. Use less NFB, less bump. |
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Post by bricejchandler on Aug 10, 2023 8:49:53 GMT -6
Over their perusing . . . $1899 a single channel The 6 pack goes for $1199 chassis and $1899 each preamp (up to 6) The single standalone unit doesn't have the High end control. Bummer. ericn , they're only over there in Lawrence KS, can you pop over and get some free samples to share with me? I guess we should invite them here first, unless they're already lurking members. I think they may have already posted here. Anyway I sent them an email, we'll see if they want to say hi and maybe answer potential questions. That 6 pack is my dream rig, with swappable transformers, someday it will be mine! |
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Post by Mister Chase on Aug 10, 2023 8:57:10 GMT -6
I meant that it seems like it literally feels like it goes an entire octave below other preamps. On kicks it’s very obvious! I have fallen in love with CA70's on Coles drums overheads. Never have I heard such an amazing capture extending down to the lowest of lows. Like another octave below any other preamp I have ever heard. There is nothing like Coles on overs. Huge, deep, smooth, punchy. If the song has room for it, that's an incredible sound. I bet it's enormous with the Coil. |
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Post by bricejchandler on Aug 10, 2023 9:05:08 GMT -6
I have fallen in love with CA70's on Coles drums overheads. Never have I heard such an amazing capture extending down to the lowest of lows. Like another octave below any other preamp I have ever heard. There is nothing like Coles on overs. Huge, deep, smooth, punchy. If the song has room for it, that's an incredible sound. I bet it's enormous with the Coil. I love it on acoustic guitars too! |
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Post by Mister Chase on Aug 10, 2023 9:06:53 GMT -6
There is nothing like Coles on overs. Huge, deep, smooth, punchy. If the song has room for it, that's an incredible sound. I bet it's enormous with the Coil. I love it on acoustic guitars too! I need to try that... What about fingerstyle nylon string? |
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Post by Ward on Aug 10, 2023 9:07:36 GMT -6
I have fallen in love with CA70's on Coles drums overheads. Never have I heard such an amazing capture extending down to the lowest of lows. Like another octave below any other preamp I have ever heard. There is nothing like Coles on overs. Huge, deep, smooth, punchy. If the song has room for it, that's an incredible sound. I bet it's enormous with the Coil. Presently, I am a non-believer but I'll probably buy a pair someday soon and change my chune. I used to feel that way about a U67 vis a vis an M269, but then like it much more with an 806s or Amperex diamond ef86. But now my heart pines for an M269 once again. |
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Post by Mister Chase on Aug 10, 2023 9:10:01 GMT -6
There is nothing like Coles on overs. Huge, deep, smooth, punchy. If the song has room for it, that's an incredible sound. I bet it's enormous with the Coil. Presently, I am a non-believer but I'll probably buy a pair someday soon and change my chune. I used to feel that way about a U67 vis a vis an M269, but then like it much more with an 806s or Amperex diamond ef86. But now my heart pines for an M269 once again. See if you can get a hold of some just to try it. We're hopeless romantics in audio in afraid. Just how it goes. |
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Post by bricejchandler on Aug 10, 2023 9:28:01 GMT -6
I love it on acoustic guitars too! I need to try that... What about fingerstyle nylon string? It's great, I tend to gravitate towards ribbon microphones for nylon guitars and the Coles never disappoints. The Coles are pretty much on everything in this song if I remember correctly, except for the vocals. The acoustic guitar, the mini acoustic, electric and drums is all Coles. The mic really contributed to the "woody" sound I was going for. www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/egogh0dwpsryjczcwmm4g/REMINGTON-EDIT.mp3?rlkey=951wlw144lw59pa7bc5drcmcx&dl=0 |
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Post by Ward on Aug 10, 2023 9:31:02 GMT -6
Presently, I am a non-believer but I'll probably buy a pair someday soon and change my chune. I used to feel that way about a U67 vis a vis an M269, but then like it much more with an 806s or Amperex diamond ef86. But now my heart pines for an M269 once again. See if you can get a hold of some just to try it. We're hopeless romantics in audio in afraid. Just how it goes. Oh be still, my beating heart. Yet, forsooth he doth speak truth! |
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Post by deaconblues on Aug 10, 2023 9:39:35 GMT -6
I'm relieved y'all don't all make demos like bricejchandler! Nice tunes! Thank you for taking the time! That Oly into the CA70 sounds like a million bucks to me, but was really surprised how much I liked the character of the 286. These preamps really are something special. Would love to hear the Locomotive 86B-2 in a similar style test against the 286. Any chance you've used the Olympic (or Oly->CA70) on any hip hop vocals? |
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